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Related: About this forumThis is What Actual Christian Persecution Looks Like
As many as two-thirds of Christians in Iraq have fled the country to escape massacres and church burnings. There are reportedly fewer than 60 Christian churches left in the war-torn country, a fact that adds another level of critique to the prudence of waging such a conflict. Just this month, an angry mob in Pakistan torched 40 Christian homes. And even Lebanon, once a safe haven for Christians, is experiencing a mass exodus.
I think I speak for many atheists when I say I stand behind all those Christians who are dealing with those battles. They deserve better than that.
Now, on the flip side, what doesnt qualify as persecution?
Pretty much all the stuff Christians complain about in the U.S.:
American Christians have a persecution complex. Whenever a public figure criticizes the Christian movement or offers believers in other faiths an equal voice in society, you can bet Christians will start howling. Claims about American persecution of Christians are a form of low comedy in a country where two-thirds of citizens claim to be Christians, where financial gifts to Christian churches are tax deductible, where Christian pastors can opt out of social security, and where no one is restricted from worshipping however, whenever, and wherever they wish.
Damn right. Hearing Christians complain about how tough they have it is like hearing Oprah complain about high gas prices: No ones going to take you seriously because the rest of us play by the same rules and you have every advantage already at your disposal.
So why dont Christians focus on the real battles instead of the fake ones? Merritt explains:
The answer, it seems, is that many of their attentions have been focused elsewhere. Some are too busy protesting Target employees who wish them Happy Holidays and others have been mobilizing to boycott JCPenney over selecting Ellen DeGeneres, an outspoken lesbian, to be their spokesperson. Isnt it time that American Christians reinvest their energies in addressing the actual persecution of their brothers and sisters happening outside their borders?
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2013/04/09/this-is-what-actual-christian-persecution-looks-like/
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)qualifies as "persecution", crybaby whinings of some religionists here to the contrary notwithstanding...
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Who claim that they are "persecuted" here.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)That's why we're the bad guys.
EvolveOrConvolve
(6,452 posts)about "reverse racism". It's just fucking silly.
rug
(82,333 posts)What's happening to atheists in Bangladesh, among other places, is also actual persecution.
Let's face it. These first world theist and atheist skirmishes pale in comparison to what's happening around the world.
Phillip McCleod
(1,837 posts)as atheists have become more vocal in the first world, the rest of the world has listened thanks to the internet. it's no coincidence that they are targeting atheist *bloggers* reaching out to the rest of the world nonbelieving community.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)The rise or blasphemy laws and persecution of those that choose non-belief in the majority religion is directly attributable to the Internet and the "rise of the nones".
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I must have missed that one. Do you have some links?
The only religious adherents I've seen persecuted here are Muslims and others who are mistaken for Muslims.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Have there been some attacks on christians? Are they being segregated and ostracized? Are they forced into hiding?
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)THEY call it persecution, and that's ridiculous. That's the point.
And yes, they actually literally use the word "persecution".
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bill-oreilly-kicks-off-crusade-against-the-war-on-easter-laura-ingraham-warns-of-new-era-of-persecution/
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Hardly representative of the Christian community.
The point of the OP was obviously another attempt by CH to smear Christians in general. That's his MO. Otherwise he would have provided a link like you did to the loonies who want to impose their religious beliefs on children in public schools.
That said, the only reference to persecution in your link was this
Ingraham agreed with OReilly that society has become a lot more secular, adding that religious people probably recognize this and worry about a new era of persecution in the United States.
Even crazy Laura didn't say there was persecution, the key words being "probably" and "worry". So we have idiots on both sides of this using inflammatory rhetoric.
The OP is a typical attempt to be divisive, while pretending to be be sympathetic to the plight of Christians in other countries. There is plenty of persecution in this country, but it is not religious.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)And they're pretty damn representative of the religious right.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)However, I don't think the religious right is representative of Christians as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, I detest fundamentalism of any stripe, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim or Atheist. Ironically, fundies are not true to the belief systems they claim to represent. They exploit the weakness of others and promote intolerance and divisiveness, by spreading fear of the "other". Our OP is a classic example of this.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Oh wait...some Christians do it, but they're not "representative".
More NTS horseshit.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)It might work better for you than bogus claims and flawed arguments.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I advocate tolerance of ideas and beliefs. That way, others might tolerate mine. I don't ridicule others for their beliefs, but I might for their actions. I don't broad brush any group based on their personal religious beliefs.
What is this supposed to mean?
If you do, go for it
It might work better for you than bogus claims and flawed arguments.
Why do you encourage bigotry with such comments? Is that how you roll?
For a fellow liberal Democrat, you are very disappointing.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)of your lame and idiotic attempt to introduce the smear of bigotry into the conversation where none existed, to distract from your false claim and failed argument.
Figured it would go over your head, and you didn't disappoint. Just wish your claimed policy of not ridiculing others for their beliefs ran in the family.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)To make "fun" would necessitate a sense of humor. Your continual smearing of me and my family proves my point. Have a nice day Scott.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)every criticism of claims or arguments is a "personal attack". Something else that seems to run in the family.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)If you can't be civil, you really don't belong here.
Try addressing the issues and leave the personal slurs out of it. You've been warned before about this kind of shit and took a voluntary time out. You might want to consider doing that again. This is an internet forum for like minded liberal Dems. If you want to sling shit, I'm sure there are lots of places where you will be more comfortable.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)I would encourage you to do the same, ST. You've been warned. You've been blocked from the A&A group because of your abusive behavior, even. Shape up and start being the change you want to see.
Or just attack me for posting this. Your call.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You obviously didn't look at any of the results. Try doing that and then get back to me with anything that is slightly credible, not the loony paranoid fringe like the first link.
Whining is not persecution. You, of all people should understand that.
You'll get more links when you search for
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hippie+persecution+in+America+
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)The whole point of the OP was about REAL persecution, not the made-up nonsense coming from many Christians in America. That was really, really clear. The only one who didn't seem to get that from the OP that states that clearly and directly was you.
Pay attention next time, you will look less petty and silly.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Dude, that is CLEARLY not a concern of his.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I hate passive-aggressive bullshit like that, but I'm trying to turn the page.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You love to broad brush them as extremists. The links you found hardly support the notion that more than a handful of ignorami think there is any kind of persecution going on.
Pay more attention to what you post and you will look less petty and silly.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)As are your baseless allegations and passive-aggressive taunts.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)The US does not have them.