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Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:36 AM Apr 2013

"Christian nation" is a wonderfully clever term.


It is perfectly reasonable to use the phrsae "Christian nation" to mean "a nation the vast majority of the populace are devoutly Christian". And, in this sense of the word, America is a Christian nation.

It is perfectly reasonable to use the phrase "Christian nation" to mean "a nation whose official state religion is Christianity, where Christianity is given special status, and where the laws and governance reflect this".

And no-one can tell if you change the sense you are using the word in half way through a paragraph.
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"Christian nation" is a wonderfully clever term. (Original Post) Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 OP
I suppose it would be more correct uriel1972 Apr 2013 #1
Agree. That is much clearer terminology. cbayer Apr 2013 #4
Or a nation with a Christian mentality Bad Thoughts Apr 2013 #2
"...devoutly Christian"? Adsos Letter Apr 2013 #3
Yes. Do you think the usage is inaccurate or offensive, or something? N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2013 #6
Not particularly. Adsos Letter Apr 2013 #10
As would I. trotsky Apr 2013 #12
It sounds a lot better than doggedly Christian, or loudly Christian. n/t dimbear Apr 2013 #7
I don't like when people get all this is a Christian nation on me. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #5
But the government isn't the nation, now is it? Igel Apr 2013 #8
Yes the people are not the government. I just assume that when most people say it hrmjustin Apr 2013 #9
i usually respond that the u.s. was founded on freemasonic principles. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #11

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)
1. I suppose it would be more correct
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 08:17 AM
Apr 2013

to use the term "Nation of Christians" when you are referring to a country where the population is majority Christian, but Christianity is not the state religion.

That is the United States is a nation of Christians, not a Christian nation. It's clumsy but more accurate.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Agree. That is much clearer terminology.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 12:50 PM
Apr 2013

And even the phrase "nation of christians" is losing ground.

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
2. Or a nation with a Christian mentality
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 10:01 AM
Apr 2013

In spite of the legal proscriptions against the establishment of religion, Christian concepts and norms are frequently are used as the foundations of new laws and policies, and Christian sensibilities are often accommodated. More often than not, expressions of Christian identity in the public square are not questioned until they are well established, almost impossible to dismantle, leading instead to find ways of allowing equal access to the public square.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
10. Not particularly.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 12:29 AM
Apr 2013

But I would question whether "the vast majority of the populace are 'devoutly' Christian."

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
12. As would I.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 09:15 AM
Apr 2013

When less than 20% of Americans regularly attend religious services, "devout" doesn't seem to be an appropriate description.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
5. I don't like when people get all this is a Christian nation on me.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 02:09 PM
Apr 2013

The Government is secular. It does not say anywhere in the Constitution that this is a Christian nation. This is a country with a majority of Christians.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
8. But the government isn't the nation, now is it?
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:04 PM
Apr 2013

If it is, then there are a very few citizens.

If you want to argue that the citizens *are* the government, then the majority of those in the government is Xian. If they're going to be allowed to express their values and accommodate the traditions of the majority, then those values and traditions are most likely going to be Xian.

Which is why we have Thanksgiving and Christmas as federal holidays.

"Xian nation" is ambiguous. We can define it for in-house use, but we're hardly likely to be able to impose our terminology on others without their consent. So whenever "Xian nation" is used, ask which meaning the user intends (and if you're using it, say which you mean). Often the user won't have pondered the ambiguity--we often confuse words for things, and allow our thinking to be fuzzy when it suits us. We also often assume that if a sentence can be processed it's clear enough and no clarification is needed or wanted.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
9. Yes the people are not the government. I just assume that when most people say it
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 06:07 PM
Apr 2013

they mean that there should not be separation of church of state which scares me.

 

Phillip McCleod

(1,837 posts)
11. i usually respond that the u.s. was founded on freemasonic principles.
Mon Apr 8, 2013, 01:01 AM
Apr 2013

that usually causes a look of confusion, which is an excellent opportunity to explain further. toss in some iroquois confederacy and a little enlightenment philosophy. maybe drop a reference to hobbes' ideal of the leviathan and plato's republic, and..

..next thing you know.. the history lesson is reversed.

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