Cardinal Keith O'Brien: 'Allow priests to marry'

[cbayer]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-21552628

22 February 2013 Last updated at 13:46 ET


Cardinal Keith O'Brien says priests should be allowed to choose whether or not to marry

Britain's most senior Roman Catholic has said he believes priests should be able to marry if they wish to do so.


Cardinal Keith O'Brien said it was clear many priests struggled to cope with celibacy, and should be able to marry and have children.

The cardinal will be part of the conclave that chooses the next Pope.

He spoke of his surprise at the resignation of Benedict XVI, and said he was open to the new Pope coming from outside of Europe.

In an interview with BBC Scotland's Glenn Campbell, the leader of the Roman Catholic church in Scotland, said some issues - for example abortion and euthanasia - were "basic dogmatic beliefs" of "divine origin" which the Church could never accept.

more at link

[Angry Dragon]

1. they talk of "divine origin" and infallibility and in the next breath they talk about

the mystery of their god

it just amazes me they can tell the difference

[cbayer]

2. Where is the conflict between "divine origin" and "mystery"?

[Angry Dragon]

3. If they claim that their god works in mysterious ways how can they then claim

that they know what is 'divine origin'??

Either they know their god or they do not

[skepticscott]

4. They simply choose

whichever is more convenient at the moment.

[cbayer]

5. What do you mean by "divine origin" or "mysterious ways"?

I'm not seeing how this pertains to the topic, but am interested in how you do.

[Angry Dragon]

6. 'divine origin' was in your OP and you have heard and read from the Catholic Church that god works

in mysterious ways when people ask why their god allowed their child die, why people suffer, etc.

[cbayer]

7. He is making a distinction between what he thinks is scripturally proscribed

(position on abortion, euthanasia) and that which is not (celibacy, priests marrying).

His distinction is made on what Jesus said (or what is recorded as something Jesus said) and what was imposed by men and does not have "divine origin".

I don't see any connection with their god being infallible or allowing bad things to happen.

[Angry Dragon]

8. 'he thinks is scripturally proscribed'

Does Jesus talk of abortion and euthanasia??

And I was talking about their pope and not their god

[cbayer]

9. According to the dogma of the RCC, he did.

He's not talking about the pope. He's talking about god.

[Angry Dragon]

10. If you are working with a flawed dogma then what do you have??

Who gave infallibility to the pope??
In the Bible does Jesus talk about abortion and euthanasia??

[cbayer]

11. I'm not at all interested in defending the dogma of the RCC, but I am interested

in seeing change within the church, and I would love to see them revise their positions on priests marrying and celibacy in general.

How about you?

[Angry Dragon]

12. I have no problem with priests marrying ...........

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. UK's top cardinal accused of 'inappropriate acts' by priests

Three priests and a former priest in Scotland have reported the most senior Catholic clergyman in Britain, Cardinal Keith O'Brien, to the Vatican over allegations of inappropriate behaviour stretching back 30 years.

The four, from the diocese of St Andrews and Edinburgh, have complained to nuncio Antonio Mennini, the Vatican's ambassador to Britain, and demanded O'Brien's immediate resignation. A spokesman for the cardinal said that the claims were contested.

O'Brien, who is due to retire next month, has been an outspoken opponent of gay rights, condemning homosexuality as immoral, opposing gay adoption, and most recently arguing that same-sex marriages would be "harmful to the physical, mental and spiritual well-being of those involved". Last year he was named "bigot of the year" by the gay rights charity Stonewall.

One of the complainants, it is understood, alleges that the cardinal developed an inappropriate relationship with him, resulting in a need for long-term psychological counselling.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/23/cardinal-keith-o-brien-accused-inappropriate

[cbayer]

14. Oops! This hasn't gone well for him at all.