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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:18 AM Oct 2012

Sceptics subconsciously repress supernatural thoughts

Cognitive inhibition is an important mental skill. Stopping or overriding mental processes, whether conscious or unconscious, is often needed – to suppress unwanted or irrelevant thoughts, to suppress inappropriate meanings of ambiguous words.

In other words, it’s a vital part of staying focussed.

Decreased cognitive inhibition is associated with creativity, but also with with anxiety and neuroticism, feelings of threat and uncontrollability, altered states of consciousness, intuitive thinking and biases in logical reasoning. And this led Marjaana Lindeman, at the University of Helsinki, Finland, to wonder whether a lack of cognitive inhibition also plays a role in supernatural beliefs.

So, along with her colleagues she took a group of 23 sceptics and believers in the supernatural, and put them in an MRI scanner (AKA brain scanner). While in there, they were given some short stories to read, and then a picture to look at – you can see some examples in the graphic on the right.



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Interesting.
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Sceptics subconsciously repress supernatural thoughts (Original Post) cleanhippie Oct 2012 OP
She seems to be making a point that the default at birth is not atheism rug Oct 2012 #1
As Michael Shermer points out in his book The Believing Brain... cleanhippie Oct 2012 #2
Well, then, the predisposition is to believe what? rug Oct 2012 #3
He opens with the example of movement in the grass... cleanhippie Oct 2012 #4
Added to my reading list. jeepnstein Oct 2012 #8
anxiety pokerfan Oct 2012 #14
+1google patrice Oct 2012 #21
and the corollary... pokerfan Oct 2012 #24
Thats it. EXACTLY! cleanhippie Oct 2012 #23
Anything the Adult Authority Figure (usually a parent) says. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #10
Joe South died recently. rug Oct 2012 #25
the default at birth AlbertCat Oct 2012 #22
The default at birth ain't theism either. Warren Stupidity Oct 2012 #28
I'm glad you agree babies are not born atheist. rug Oct 2012 #29
When babies are born, do they or do they not have a belief in a god? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #30
Incorrect. rug Oct 2012 #31
Do babies lack a belief in a god when they are born? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #32
They lack a conception of a god. rug Oct 2012 #33
True, but it is fair to say that they lack the belief too? cleanhippie Oct 2012 #34
They do. rug Oct 2012 #35
Well, we will have to disagree on that point. For if they lack a belief in a god, they are atheist cleanhippie Oct 2012 #36
Well, then, they are apastafarian as well by that definition. rug Oct 2012 #37
That would be included in the definition of athesism, as atheism is the lack of belief in a god. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #38
No, the OP is about predisposition to belief and nonbelief. rug Oct 2012 #39
Interesting article. But "hyperactive"? Evolution requires that we ask what the function patrice Oct 2012 #5
It's like being in a brainstorming session.. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #7
That's why I like this CRAZY place, but it can be hard to stand up under the challenge patrice Oct 2012 #12
You think it's bad now, wait until after the election.. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #18
Your welcome. Glad you liked it. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #15
Interesting sentence.. Fumesucker Oct 2012 #6
Yup. Interesting indeed. cleanhippie Oct 2012 #16
On the pictures chosen - what are the jeans meant to signify? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #9
"You'll lose everything, even your pants." Maybe. 2ndAmForComputers Oct 2012 #11
Or - those jeans (hip, fashionable, group-memberhip badge) that you won't be able to afford. nt patrice Oct 2012 #19
Perhaps consciously too? Silent3 Oct 2012 #13
It's bad luck to be superstitious Fumesucker Oct 2012 #17
+1 me too, i.e. my alternative hypotheses/toys, e.g. did you see which physicists patrice Oct 2012 #20
In other worlds, "spiritual" people's minds are so open their brains fall out. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #26
Is the corollary is that "nonspiritual" people grow bigger assholes? rug Oct 2012 #27
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
1. She seems to be making a point that the default at birth is not atheism
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:35 AM
Oct 2012

but a propensity to belief or skepticism.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
2. As Michael Shermer points out in his book The Believing Brain...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:41 AM
Oct 2012

Belief is a survival instinct. Its the addition of agency that brought about religion.

When one says that atheism is the default position we are born with, its the lack of belief in a deity one is talking about, not the ability to believe.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
4. He opens with the example of movement in the grass...
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 11:59 AM
Oct 2012

If primitive man believed it was a predator, they ran away and lived, regardless if it WAS a predator or the wind.

If primitive man thought, meh, its just the wind, and it WAS a predator... that trait didn't survive well during Natural Selection.

Again, it was when humans began to add agency to the mix where things got tricky.

You should read his book, it's really good.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
10. Anything the Adult Authority Figure (usually a parent) says.
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:25 PM
Oct 2012

Eric Berne. Look him up. Parent, Adult, Child.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
22. the default at birth
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 06:34 PM
Oct 2012

Doesn't last long.

Babies change fast.... in a manner and order that is recognizable.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
30. When babies are born, do they or do they not have a belief in a god?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:35 AM
Oct 2012

If they do, then they are theists.

If they do not, then they are atheists.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
31. Incorrect.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:09 PM
Oct 2012

An understanding of theism precedes atheism.

Otherwise, you may call infants apastafarians as well. That of course is patently absurd.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
32. Do babies lack a belief in a god when they are born?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:27 PM
Oct 2012

Can we agree that they do lack that belief and leave it at that?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
33. They lack a conception of a god.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 03:11 PM
Oct 2012

That is not disbelief. To dis believe, one first has tu know or understand the belief.

On that basis I can agree that infants are neither theist or atheist, Democrat or republican.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
34. True, but it is fair to say that they lack the belief too?
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 06:57 PM
Oct 2012

No labels, no names, just the lack-of belief.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
35. They do.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:48 PM
Oct 2012

They also lack literacy, numeracy and favorite colors to mention but some of the whole palette of life. It is woefully inadequate and inaccurate to say infants are born atheist.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
36. Well, we will have to disagree on that point. For if they lack a belief in a god, they are atheist
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 07:59 PM
Oct 2012

by definition.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
37. Well, then, they are apastafarian as well by that definition.
Thu Oct 11, 2012, 08:07 PM
Oct 2012

As well as ademocratic, amonarchist, and ananarchist. Pick any belief and put an "a" (or "an" if it begins with a vowel) in front it and and stick the label on the baby. It won't change a thing.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
38. That would be included in the definition of athesism, as atheism is the lack of belief in a god.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 10:52 AM
Oct 2012

And its the lack of belief in a god that we are talking about, and nothing more.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
39. No, the OP is about predisposition to belief and nonbelief.
Fri Oct 12, 2012, 01:23 PM
Oct 2012

Only when a concept of a god is formed does that predisposition coalesesce in that belief or non belief.

Same with any other belief.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
5. Interesting article. But "hyperactive"? Evolution requires that we ask what the function
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:05 PM
Oct 2012

of a biological mechanism/process is, so it could be that the activity of the left IFG wasn't "hyper-" at all during some period in our development and the associations it creates now are only "obsolete" because what made them a functional adaptation before, say perhaps situational threats posed by the inability (or perhaps more precisely the as yet undeveloped potential) to recognize signs and patterns, no longer exists. This might be seen, then, as support for the hypothesis (interestingly quite similar to how it is said that we created God out of our own fears and insecurities) that left IFG pattern formation became more useful/functional by means of the development of inhibitory functions in the right IFG, because, after-all, it isn't very useful to form signifiers out of every stimulus, which brings me to a question I have been wondering about and that is: what has happened to people's longer-range perceptual skills, that is the sorts of things that would go into recognizing and caring about environmental threats like deforestation, patterns that are inhibited out of how we assess our situation in the world. Perhaps right IFG inhibition serves short-term survival, but "civilization" has brought us to a place in which that adaptation is less functional now, because we have a survival need to recognize much larger patterns of meaning and that example may apply not only to environmental issues, but also to things like the communication capacities of the internet.

Thanks for posting this interesting article, cleanhippie.

Have a good day.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
7. It's like being in a brainstorming session..
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:12 PM
Oct 2012

Some people are just born to spout ideas while others are better at shooting down unworkable ideas.

It really takes both types for a good session.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
12. That's why I like this CRAZY place, but it can be hard to stand up under the challenge
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:29 PM
Oct 2012

sometimes, especially lately.

I keep thinking about the people I meet on my canvass . . .

Met the coolest old man last night, almost shy when he said "I'm a liberal ...", completely unaware of the internet.

I wish we canvassed all of the time, not just election years.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
18. You think it's bad now, wait until after the election..
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:01 PM
Oct 2012

I'm looking forward to basking in the glow of the flamewars this fall and winter, should be quite a show here on DU because it's going to be a real showdown in Congress.

If Obama wins there'll be a huge DU food fight over policy and if he loses, oh brother the circular firing squad will be enormous, bitter and continuous.






Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
6. Interesting sentence..
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:10 PM
Oct 2012
It also fits with earlier research by Lindeman suggesting that supernatural believers get confused when thinking about how the world works.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
9. On the pictures chosen - what are the jeans meant to signify?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
Oct 2012

I can see there could be some connection between the 'story' and the picture in the first 3 - drunk driving and a wall, which you wouldn't want to crash into; a 'skin change' and a close-up of some fruit seeds (which, the pulp being vaguely skin-coloured, might be thought to indicate 'strange things in your skin' if you'd been thinking about skin changes); and a park bench, which might indicate homelessness if you've lost your home.

But what has a pair of jeans got to do with a yearly raise? Are there people who anxiously wait to see if they can afford a new pair of jeans? Or was this the control story/picture - one with no obvious connection?

Silent3

(15,239 posts)
13. Perhaps consciously too?
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
Oct 2012

I am often aware of irrational, superstitious, or supernatural thoughts. They are present, I just put them in perspective, sometimes even play along with them a little when it's harmless enough to do so, laughing a little at myself for doing so.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
20. +1 me too, i.e. my alternative hypotheses/toys, e.g. did you see which physicists
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 02:37 PM
Oct 2012

received the Nobel Prize for physics recently? They demonstrated how a whole atom (i.e. not just sub-atomic "parts&quot can be in two places at once and this is a very important development for computer science, i.e. mechanisms that COMPUTE/reckon/make sense, because it adds a new dimension to that which previously was restricted to SEQUENTIAL processing (albeit VERY fast sequential processing ((counting/quantities)), but sequential, non CO - incidental, nonetheless).

Pure speculation follows: To me, this suggests investigations into the more emergent properties of systems, traits that could go under the heading of being QUALITIES, no longer limited simply to QUANTITIES. Sound anything like a tool that could look at traits such as excitation and inhibition?

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