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Related: About this forumSceptics subconsciously repress supernatural thoughts
In other words, its a vital part of staying focussed.
Decreased cognitive inhibition is associated with creativity, but also with with anxiety and neuroticism, feelings of threat and uncontrollability, altered states of consciousness, intuitive thinking and biases in logical reasoning. And this led Marjaana Lindeman, at the University of Helsinki, Finland, to wonder whether a lack of cognitive inhibition also plays a role in supernatural beliefs.
So, along with her colleagues she took a group of 23 sceptics and believers in the supernatural, and put them in an MRI scanner (AKA brain scanner). While in there, they were given some short stories to read, and then a picture to look at you can see some examples in the graphic on the right.
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2012/10/sceptics-subconsciously-repress-supernatural-thoughts/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SecularNewsDaily+%28Secular+News+Daily%29
Interesting.
rug
(82,333 posts)but a propensity to belief or skepticism.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Belief is a survival instinct. Its the addition of agency that brought about religion.
When one says that atheism is the default position we are born with, its the lack of belief in a deity one is talking about, not the ability to believe.
rug
(82,333 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)If primitive man believed it was a predator, they ran away and lived, regardless if it WAS a predator or the wind.
If primitive man thought, meh, its just the wind, and it WAS a predator... that trait didn't survive well during Natural Selection.
Again, it was when humans began to add agency to the mix where things got tricky.
You should read his book, it's really good.
jeepnstein
(2,631 posts)Thanks! That's the kind of stuff I come here for.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)pokerfan
(27,677 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Well done and nice find!
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Eric Berne. Look him up. Parent, Adult, Child.
rug
(82,333 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Doesn't last long.
Babies change fast.... in a manner and order that is recognizable.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Been around babies much?
rug
(82,333 posts)And yes, all my children were babies.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)If they do, then they are theists.
If they do not, then they are atheists.
rug
(82,333 posts)An understanding of theism precedes atheism.
Otherwise, you may call infants apastafarians as well. That of course is patently absurd.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Can we agree that they do lack that belief and leave it at that?
rug
(82,333 posts)That is not disbelief. To dis believe, one first has tu know or understand the belief.
On that basis I can agree that infants are neither theist or atheist, Democrat or republican.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)No labels, no names, just the lack-of belief.
rug
(82,333 posts)They also lack literacy, numeracy and favorite colors to mention but some of the whole palette of life. It is woefully inadequate and inaccurate to say infants are born atheist.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)by definition.
rug
(82,333 posts)As well as ademocratic, amonarchist, and ananarchist. Pick any belief and put an "a" (or "an" if it begins with a vowel) in front it and and stick the label on the baby. It won't change a thing.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)And its the lack of belief in a god that we are talking about, and nothing more.
rug
(82,333 posts)Only when a concept of a god is formed does that predisposition coalesesce in that belief or non belief.
Same with any other belief.
patrice
(47,992 posts)of a biological mechanism/process is, so it could be that the activity of the left IFG wasn't "hyper-" at all during some period in our development and the associations it creates now are only "obsolete" because what made them a functional adaptation before, say perhaps situational threats posed by the inability (or perhaps more precisely the as yet undeveloped potential) to recognize signs and patterns, no longer exists. This might be seen, then, as support for the hypothesis (interestingly quite similar to how it is said that we created God out of our own fears and insecurities) that left IFG pattern formation became more useful/functional by means of the development of inhibitory functions in the right IFG, because, after-all, it isn't very useful to form signifiers out of every stimulus, which brings me to a question I have been wondering about and that is: what has happened to people's longer-range perceptual skills, that is the sorts of things that would go into recognizing and caring about environmental threats like deforestation, patterns that are inhibited out of how we assess our situation in the world. Perhaps right IFG inhibition serves short-term survival, but "civilization" has brought us to a place in which that adaptation is less functional now, because we have a survival need to recognize much larger patterns of meaning and that example may apply not only to environmental issues, but also to things like the communication capacities of the internet.
Thanks for posting this interesting article, cleanhippie.
Have a good day.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Some people are just born to spout ideas while others are better at shooting down unworkable ideas.
It really takes both types for a good session.
patrice
(47,992 posts)sometimes, especially lately.
I keep thinking about the people I meet on my canvass . . .
Met the coolest old man last night, almost shy when he said "I'm a liberal ...", completely unaware of the internet.
I wish we canvassed all of the time, not just election years.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)I'm looking forward to basking in the glow of the flamewars this fall and winter, should be quite a show here on DU because it's going to be a real showdown in Congress.
If Obama wins there'll be a huge DU food fight over policy and if he loses, oh brother the circular firing squad will be enormous, bitter and continuous.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,322 posts)I can see there could be some connection between the 'story' and the picture in the first 3 - drunk driving and a wall, which you wouldn't want to crash into; a 'skin change' and a close-up of some fruit seeds (which, the pulp being vaguely skin-coloured, might be thought to indicate 'strange things in your skin' if you'd been thinking about skin changes); and a park bench, which might indicate homelessness if you've lost your home.
But what has a pair of jeans got to do with a yearly raise? Are there people who anxiously wait to see if they can afford a new pair of jeans? Or was this the control story/picture - one with no obvious connection?
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Silent3
(15,239 posts)I am often aware of irrational, superstitious, or supernatural thoughts. They are present, I just put them in perspective, sometimes even play along with them a little when it's harmless enough to do so, laughing a little at myself for doing so.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)received the Nobel Prize for physics recently? They demonstrated how a whole atom (i.e. not just sub-atomic "parts" can be in two places at once and this is a very important development for computer science, i.e. mechanisms that COMPUTE/reckon/make sense, because it adds a new dimension to that which previously was restricted to SEQUENTIAL processing (albeit VERY fast sequential processing ((counting/quantities)), but sequential, non CO - incidental, nonetheless).
Pure speculation follows: To me, this suggests investigations into the more emergent properties of systems, traits that could go under the heading of being QUALITIES, no longer limited simply to QUANTITIES. Sound anything like a tool that could look at traits such as excitation and inhibition?