Pastor to Athiests: Leave America, You’re Not Wanted and Won’t Be Missed

[cleanhippie]

Tomorrow, June 6, will be the 68th anniversary of the D-Day invasion at Normandy and Pastor John Hagee used his sermon this past Sunday to reflect upon the sacrifices made on this day ... and also to tell atheists to get out of America "if our belief in God offends you" because they are not wanted and won't be missed while also calling on Congress to "outlaw the practice of witchcraft and Satanism in the US military, lest we offend the God of Heaven":

http://veracitystew.com/2012/06/05/pastor-to-athiests-leave-america-youre-not-wanted-and-wont-be-missed/#.T85VRqx7AXI.facebook

[Gore1FL]

1. I don't listen to religious fanatics.

I'm thinking I won't take his advice.

[eppur_se_muova]

2. Atheists to pastor: You first. nt

[Smilo]

3. Revisionist history may work for the

faux Christian crowd............. but America was not founded as a Christian country and never will be regarded as a "Christian" country - if anyone should leave it should be Hagee and his followers - America is not, never has been and never will be a theocracy.

[rrneck]

4. Atheist to pastor.

Fuck you.

[stopbush]

5. Christianity/religion = make believe.

So, fuck off, Hagee!

[dmallind]

6. Very similar attitude to here

"why do mean nasty atheists post in religion? They should leave us alone and stop "bashing" us by asking for evidence!"

What the fuck is the difference?

[rug]

7. By here, I presume you mean the Religion Group of DemocraticUnderground?

Are you comparing here to Hagee? Really?

[dmallind]

8. Yep. Or do you welcome us with open arms and love us being here?

Really?

[rug]

10. I would but I barely know you.

Tell me more how the DU Religion Group is like Hagee.

[dmallind]

11. Already did. Not just the religion group either

You can try and bait for hides all you want. The truth is what it is. How'd the alert go?

[rug]

12. No alert. I'd rather leave the whimpering hanging in the wind.

Amazing.

[dmallind]

13. Never mind - somebody sent it to me.

Amazing is right...

Very similar attitude to here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=30623

REASON FOR ALERT:

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate. (See <a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus#communitystandards" target="_blank">Community Standards</a>.)

ALERTER'S COMMENTS:

Atheists complaining about being victims and blaming believers

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:11 PM, and voted 1-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: It is the posters opinion. I would leave it. Seems that I see all the time this feeling both ways.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Atheists are discriminated against in this country. The believers are the ones doing the discriminating. The alerter is a hypocrite.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[rug]

14. Make sure you tell the alerter. I don't alert on whimpering.

[Goblinmonger]

19. So you're just the set-up guy? n/t

[rug]

21. No. Stop peering suspiciously and track down the alerter.

[dmallind]

15. The only whimpering is you for an accurate comparison.

People who dislike atheists being around and free to speak agree with others who dislike atheists being around and free to speak, QED.

[rug]

16. Let me understand you clearly.

Are you equating the blowback you get on this discussion board when you post bullshit with the dominionist bullshit of Hagee?

[Goblinmonger]

20. Here's why it seems like you are looking for an alert to work

He has answered your questions several times. Why would you ask the question again and again? Either you are too obtuse to get the answer the first time around, or the alert didn't work on the first answer so you are trying to get the answer again to try with a different jury.

[rug]

23. No he hasn't. He's made the usual insinuating slur and when called on it,

slithers back into inky darkness.

You can play all the alert/jury games you want, and usually do, but I'm more concerned about this crap equating posters in DU to Hagee.

Now, you want to answer the question for him?

[dmallind]

26. Well if leaving DU to do other things is "slithering back to inky darkness", sure

Do you have a timeframe limit on when I must respond to you? I'll shoot you an email address if you need immediate responses. Just ask.

[dmallind]

24. He's more openly honest in his views on atheists I confess

You lot prefer the passive-aggressive baiting and inciting method.

[rug]

28. I see. "You lot" are are simply more dishonest than Hagee.

Bullshit.

[dmallind]

33. Not simply that. There are other differences too. But in this case, it suffices.

Wanting atheists gone from a place is wanting atheists gone from a place. He says so loud and proud. Some on here do so too. Some hide it. Some disagree with him certainly. But anybody who posted sentiments I listed above is not in the latter group.

[LeftishBrit]

17. The difference is that the DU-ers are not actually threatening your rights as a citizen

There are a couple of posters here (though probably a smaller number than in your case) with whom I VERY vehemently disagree on the subject of attitudes to atheism. I get pretty steamed up at times over it, as some will have noticed! But, speaking as a relative of people who left America due to McCarthyism; as a descendant of people who left Eastern Europe due to antisemitism; as a friend of people who left Muslim theocracies due to religious extremism - threats to the citizenship of minority groups simply cannot be equated with 'someone being WRONG on the internet.'

[dmallind]

27. If they had his power and influence whatwould they do though?

Wanting to be rid of atheists is wanting to be rid of atheists. Sure the playground is different. The desire is the same.

Thankfully right now both are limited to stamping their feet and bloviating.

[Leontius]

31. I don't know if it would violate any DU rules but if it would not

I would be interested for you to list any DU poster in this forum that has advocated for the silencing of your speech (atheists) or advocated your expulsion or removal for this country. Post the names so we can all see whose these people are. Let's clear the air of this bullshit, yours or theirs, once and for all.

[dmallind]

34. I clearly stated those who wished us gone from religion at DU

Do you really claim that those sentiments have never been expressed?

[Leontius]

39. Yes I don't remember seeing that here but I could have missed it that's why I asked for specifics.

If you are referring to tone arguments that is something completely different from silenced or removed. There are people I don't usually respond to because I think they're asses not because they're atheists and I don't want them gone either I just don't interact with them.

[Starboard Tack]

42. Who do you mean by us?

I have never felt unwelcome here in Religion for being an atheist. Maybe because I have no interest in faith baiting. The only members I see spurned here are those who post flame bait at every opportunity in an effort to disrupt any thoughtful and civil discourse.

[darkstar3]

43. Four sentences, and I needed hip waders. Well done.

[Starboard Tack]

44. Hip waders? Well done?

I have no idea what you mean, but you sound out of sorts. Have a nice cup of tea, you'll be right as rain in no time.

[darkstar3]

46. You have already demonstrated you have a solid grasp of American idiom, so yes you do have an idea.

[Starboard Tack]

47. Oh I see

You think my acceptance of people, regardless of their beliefs is patronizing. I don't have to accept their beliefs in order to be civil. And I dislike fanatics of all stripes.

[darkstar3]

48. No, I think either you're trying too hard to condescend to people whose views you actually share,

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or you're poorly assuming an alter ego for posting.

[Starboard Tack]

49. Maybe you would care to elaborate

I think you are accusing me of some kind of dishonesty. Is that correct?

[LeftishBrit]

55. I think there are very few people who want atheists banned from DU

There are a few more, though not I think a huge number, who would prefer that atheists do not post on the Religion forum. Some of this reflects true religious intolerance; some reflects a misunderstanding of the forum's name and an assumption that it is a safe haven for religious people.

At any rate, I still don't think threats of exclusion from a forum are the same as threats to citizenship. For instance, Republicans, conservatives and third party advocates are excluded from DU, but that does not mean that most DU-ers favour revoking their citizenship.

[Leontius]

59. Three days later I think we now know who peddles the bullshit on this one.

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[cbayer]

29. You have got to be kidding.

You think this group expresses attitudes similar to Hagee.

You have got it really bad.... really, really bad.

[dmallind]

35. See post 34

I won't waste time proving you wrong again as you've proven incapable of admitting it when I did it last time.

[cbayer]

36. You should really consider letting this go.

You continue to make blanket statements about how atheists are treated here while proceeding to bash believers at every turn.

While you may be able to come up with a few examples of what you say, it is generally not true and really divisive. Why would you want to do that?

[dimbear]

9. Pay no attention to his claims to have 99 million viewers. Realistic number a mere

20 million. Piffle. Maybe 99 million occasional viewers, all good Christians because as Hagee tells us, he preaches the infallible word of God.

[LeftishBrit]

18. Vile man.

[rug]

22. Lol. There is something to say for the precision of British speech.

[Leontius]

32. Very true. Have you ever had the pleasure of listening to any

of his sermons or lectures? Do you have equivalent types of shows on British TV?

[mr blur]

37. We don't have religious channels on British TV

Or shows like that, for that matter.

[Leontius]

38. I was pretty sure you didn't but I wondered if programing like older US public access TV existed.

[LeftishBrit]

40. I've read transcripts but no, haven't heard his sermons.

And no, we don't have stuff like that on British TV. We do have some vile religious-right campaigners in the UK (e.g. google Andrea Minichiello Williams) but they don't have the same impact on the mainstream media.

[Starboard Tack]

45. Extremely vile, though I think Hagee is even more vile

[LeftishBrit]

50. I meant Hagee - not the blogger!

[Starboard Tack]

51. Two peas, different pods. Both taste the same.

[LeftishBrit]

52. I've looked at the blog and I fail to see anything remotely comparable

[Starboard Tack]

53. Looked at which blog?

[LeftishBrit]

54. VeracityStew, posted in the OP

I thought this was what you were referring to. If not, I am baffled. At any rate, Hagee is a truly horrible person.

The fact that he used the D-Day commemorations as a prop for his vile point makes it even worse, if that's possible.

[raccoon]

25. What an idiot. nt

[cbayer]

30. I would much rather see you leave, Hagee. Talk about not missing something.

[backscatter712]

41. See my rant in GD...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002769696

[daaron]

56. (Insert Sanity Here.)

Just an observation regarding this thread. Folks seem to be enjoying a sort of banter - a back and forth of one-liners, thinly-veiled insults, and feeble attempts of what I'm going to call alert-baiting, for lack of the better term. I guess I'm just more of a paragraph kind of guy; I like sentences with clauses better than bumper stickers, and paragraphs with sentences better than emoticons. We're a dying breed, I guess. I have no cell phone, and don't watch videos when people post them. I prefer the written word.

So threads like this one just seem useless. Kinda like the atheist-baiting thread that just won't die and go to meta-hell. From what I understand, such matters as interpersonal bickering are generally confined to the Meta forum, here. I thought for a while that something useful was going to come about as a result of this thread. Maybe there is? Maybe there are some posters who just really need to hash some shite out with each other, and it just can't happen anywhere else, but here.

I guess I just don't see that. So far, this thread isn't on topic, even sort of. And I really have to wonder if anyone takes the Rules of the Internet seriously, anymore. Please look up Rule #14, which works wonders on Thread Pests, when promptly and judiciously applied.

Enjoy the rest of your flamewar. Aaron Out.

[daaron]

57. WARNING: On-topic but NSFW attempt to rethread this thread through the eye of the OP.

So, yeah, this 'pastor' sucks goat-ass while tickling the goat's balls with his tongue, no?

If I had a star and could do a poll, I bet I'd get total agreement from all y'all bickerers. Any star members out there wanna do me a quick favor? I'd like this poll inserted:

"Does this 'pastor' metaphorically suck goat-ass while tickling the goat's balls with his tongue, or not?"
Answer One: YES, he's a goat-ass-sucking, billy-ball-lick-tickling squatbag.
Answer Two: NO, he's right. Atheists should get the hell out of America.



About edits: I'm a grammar nazi toward myself. Sue me.

[onager]

58. Hagee: Goldie Hawn proves Scripture! (Sophisticated Theology Warning!)

Jebus shit a nail! You just can't make this stuff up...

In his long list of Jewish people who have blessed the world, Hagee makes no distinction between individuals who simply have a Jewish background and those who truly fear and seek God.

He lists Goldie Hawn, Dustin Hoffman, and Barbara Streisand, among others, as Jews who have proven the Scripture ‘in thee shall all the nations of the earth be blessed.’ The contributions of these entertainers can hardly be seen as a fulfillment of God’s promise to Abraham in Genesis. Hagee also goes as far as branding anti-Semitic those who don’t agree with his enthusiastic support of Israel.

That's from an...interesting Fundie site called "Christian Zionism and Ethnic Salvation." They're pissed at Hagee because he refuses to convert Jews to Xianity. One of the very few things he gets right, IMO.

But even more interesting...

The Liberty Flame reported in May 1994 that during the time when Hagee was serving the Charismatic congregation at Trinity Church (1976) in San Antonio, he divorced his wife, resigned and married a young woman in the congregation, Diana Castro. Custody of Hagee’s two children by his ex-wife, Martha, went to her.

In a letter to the church, Hagee admitted immorality, which later became part of the court records in the custody battle. Martha later also remarried and started another family. Not surprisingly, there is a hiatus from 1976 to 1987 left out of Hagee’s web site biography.

http://www.pfo.org/jonhagee.htm

Here's another fun Fundie Hagee-bashing site. They think he's a "false prophet," but have more juicy details on his fall from Grace. Or Martha: http://jesus-messiah.com/hagee/john-hagee.html

Finally, to answer Hagee's demand: this atheist ain't going anywhere. AFAIK, my family members have fought in all of this country's wars. Right back to my ancestor Benjamin Hilley, awarded a land grant in Georgia for his service in the Revolution. I'm a former Marine myself. If Hagee's Gawd wants me to leave this country, he can damn well miracle my ass out of here. Preferably First Class, to Paris or Venice. But I would settle for Prague, one of the most irreligious cities in the world.