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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:48 PM Jan 2019

One of the priests in the Pennsylvania child sexual abuse Grand Jury report did

something remarkable, I think.

Once he had groomed the child and had managed to abuse the child, he gave that child a gold cross to wear. The implication was that this was in order to identify the child as a tractable victim, according to the news story at the link below:

The priests, George testified, had a group of favored boys who they would take on trips and give gifts.

"He (Zirwas) had told me they, the priests, would give their boys, their altar boys or their favorite boys these crosses," George testified. "So he gave me a big gold cross to wear."

In the report, the grand jury said, the crosses "were a designation that these children were victims of sexual abuse. They were a signal to other predators that the children had been desensitized to sexual abuse and were optimal targets for further victimization."


https://www.ydr.com/story/news/2018/08/15/pa-grand-jury-report-catholic-priest-abuse-most-shocking-cases-clergy-sexual-abuse/995904002/

This goes far beyond simply not reporting child sexual abuse that was revealed in the confessional. Rather, it indicates a cooperative group of abusers who signaled each other when a child was found who could be abused. I find this particular story particularly disgusting and indicative of a culture of abuse, not just random cases of child sexual abuse.

These children were being preyed upon by a veritable ring of priests and passed along from one to another. This isn't just not reporting from the confessional. Not in any way, but it was all covered up all the same. In that place, at least, the abuse was organized, not just random.

How is this not corruption on a larger scale than individual abusers and their victims? Did similar groups of abusive priests operate in other places? How prevalent was this sort of thing? We do not yet know.
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One of the priests in the Pennsylvania child sexual abuse Grand Jury report did (Original Post) MineralMan Jan 2019 OP
OMG. MontanaMama Jan 2019 #1
I remembered that from an earlier time, so I googled it. MineralMan Jan 2019 #3
I recall that as well, and I read parts of the PA report marylandblue Jan 2019 #11
And there are still a few DUers who will promote the notion that... trotsky Jan 2019 #2
A culture of abuse. MineralMan Jan 2019 #4
What this story indicates to me is that the MineralMan Jan 2019 #5
That is correct. That's exactly what it does. trotsky Jan 2019 #6
Minimizing such things or apologetics MineralMan Jan 2019 #7
Theres no shortage of people who will kill for religion Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9
Nobody would do that here, would they? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #8
Most that have are no longer with us Major Nikon Jan 2019 #10

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
3. I remembered that from an earlier time, so I googled it.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jan 2019

It was just as I had remembered it. It's an under-reported part of this whole thing, I suspect. I hope investigators are looking for such patterns.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. I recall that as well, and I read parts of the PA report
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:30 PM
Jan 2019

I was going to post about how egregious that was and also evidence from other diocese of a conspiracy of silence, but with all the apologia here, I was too disgusted to put in that kind of effort.

But suffice it to say they essentially created a national network. Bishops knowingly traded bad priests with each other and even sent them to Catholic-run "treatment centers" that themselves became places where abusive priests could meet each other and operate out of.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
2. And there are still a few DUers who will promote the notion that...
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jan 2019

"making clergy mandatory reporters won't solve the Catholic abuse crisis". Really shows how bad the problem is, and how religious privilege makes it harder to solve.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. A culture of abuse.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 04:54 PM
Jan 2019

I wonder how deeply this culture goes within the Church. I have no idea. It's possible that similar situations existed in multiple dioceses and archdioceses. We may learn more as the investigations continue.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. What this story indicates to me is that the
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jan 2019

failure to report child sexual abuse, for whatever reason, emboldens potential predators and makes them feel like they can continue to molest others with impunity. That's a real danger in situations like this. I find it horribly shocking that any such situation could arise in a religious setting.

It truly makes no sense to me.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
6. That is correct. That's exactly what it does.
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 05:02 PM
Jan 2019

My mind cannot process how a religious belief can be put ahead of the protection of children.

But then maybe that's why I'm not religious.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Minimizing such things or apologetics
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jan 2019

are very dangerous for future victims. It trivializes something traumatic and life-changing. For me, such attitudes reflect a complete lack of concern for victims, in favor of the predators. I don't understand such attitudes, but I abhor them.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
9. Theres no shortage of people who will kill for religion
Thu Jan 17, 2019, 07:09 PM
Jan 2019

Apologia for child rape while somewhat shocking, is not as extreme.

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