Religion

MineralMan

(146,317 posts) Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:26 PM Oct 2018

I have faith, he said.

Faith trumps your facts. Faith is all I need, he said. With faith I can be certain of the hope that things are as I think they are. Faith is my truth. It is beyond questioning, he said.

OK, then. Real good, then, I said, and walked away...

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I have faith, he said. (Original Post) MineralMan Oct 2018 OP

This person surely isn't licensed to drive a motor vehicle on public roads, right? nt Atticus Oct 2018 #1

Oh, he drives, no doubt. MineralMan Oct 2018 #3

Classic cult thinking. nt Permanut Oct 2018 #2

Hmm... MineralMan Oct 2018 #4

I think I know who you're writing about PJMcK Oct 2018 #5

Actually, no. I've been walking away from people MineralMan Oct 2018 #10

Faith is for the edges of our understanding gtar100 Oct 2018 #6

Funny, I thought that was Curiosity... uriel1972 Oct 2018 #7

Faith gets in the way edhopper Oct 2018 #9

That's an ascertain I don't share. gtar100 Oct 2018 #11

What is it you don't share? I think autocorrect MineralMan Oct 2018 #14

Assertion. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #16

Ah. Of course. MineralMan Oct 2018 #17

Tell that to all of the scientists who have faith. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #18

Do you know the statistics edhopper Oct 2018 #19

I posted about this topic at one time. guillaumeb Oct 2018 #22

Name some, along with their credentials and specialties. MineralMan Oct 2018 #20

Ask the scientists who are religious, if they let their religion get in the way of their research. trotsky Oct 2018 #21

Using faith implies you already know something about that unknown marylandblue Oct 2018 #12

Actually, I think inquiry is for that. MineralMan Oct 2018 #13

Faith is stagnation. Voltaire2 Oct 2018 #15

Faith works without problems... as long as you don't run into problems. DetlefK Oct 2018 #8

Atticus

(15,124 posts)

1. This person surely isn't licensed to drive a motor vehicle on public roads, right? nt

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:35 PM

Oct 2018

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

3. Oh, he drives, no doubt.

Reply to Atticus (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:57 PM

Oct 2018

Keep a watchful eye...

Permanut

(5,615 posts)

2. Classic cult thinking. nt

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:43 PM

Oct 2018

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

4. Hmm...

Reply to Permanut (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 08:57 PM

Oct 2018

Very astute you are...

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)

5. I think I know who you're writing about

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 09:02 PM

Oct 2018

I've seen some similar discussions on this site.

Hmmm...

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

10. Actually, no. I've been walking away from people

Reply to PJMcK (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 09:20 AM

Oct 2018

who have that kind of faith all my adult life. They're everywhere.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)

6. Faith is for the edges of our understanding

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Mon Oct 8, 2018, 11:38 PM

Oct 2018

When we stare into the abyss of our own ignorance. Wouldn't want to stagnate in a place like that.

uriel1972

(4,261 posts)

7. Funny, I thought that was Curiosity...

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:43 AM

Oct 2018

The antithesis of Faith

edhopper

(33,591 posts)

9. Faith gets in the way

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:16 AM

Oct 2018

of true inquiry.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)

11. That's an ascertain I don't share.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:41 AM

Oct 2018

But you must do what works for you.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

14. What is it you don't share? I think autocorrect

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:47 PM

Oct 2018

messed up what you were trying to say.

Voltaire2

(13,078 posts)

16. Assertion.

Reply to MineralMan (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 05:00 PM

Oct 2018

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

17. Ah. Of course.

Reply to Voltaire2 (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:55 PM

Oct 2018

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)

18. Tell that to all of the scientists who have faith.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:09 PM

Oct 2018

I am certain that they would appreciate this insight.

edhopper

(33,591 posts)

19. Do you know the statistics

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:01 PM

Oct 2018

of scientist and faith?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)

22. I posted about this topic at one time.

Reply to edhopper (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:21 PM

Oct 2018

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

20. Name some, along with their credentials and specialties.

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:17 AM

Oct 2018

I'll go have a look.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)

21. Ask the scientists who are religious, if they let their religion get in the way of their research.

Reply to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:58 AM

Oct 2018

You will find out that edhopper's statement is true.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

12. Using faith implies you already know something about that unknown

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:07 PM

Oct 2018

But you don't actually know it, it's just your own reflection staring back at you.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)

13. Actually, I think inquiry is for that.

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:40 PM

Oct 2018

There are many things I don't understand well. If I want to understand them, I do some research and arm myself with information from trusted sources. I don't use faith. That's just a way of putting understanding off or dismissing the unknown thing.

Maybe you could give me an example of something that looks like an "abyss of ignarance." I can't think of anything like that.

Voltaire2

(13,078 posts)

15. Faith is stagnation.

Reply to gtar100 (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:43 PM

Oct 2018

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)

8. Faith works without problems... as long as you don't run into problems.

Reply to MineralMan (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:13 AM

Oct 2018

As weird as it may sound, faith is a method of defining reality, just as witnessed experience is a method of defining reality.

However...

What happens when faith encounters a threat that it cannot ignore and explain away?

What happens to faith when reality demands its due?

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