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MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:41 AM Feb 2018

February Pastor Arrests for Sexual Crimes - First Google Results Page Only

And so it continues. Of course, we shouldn't condemn these ministers of the Lord, since we are not allowed to judge our brethren, apparently...We should maintain our silence and pretend such things do not occur. Perhaps they will be acquitted after being tried.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS730US730&biw=1920&bih=949&tbm=nws&ei=fSWQWoz8EsqgtQWphrqwBQ&q=Pastor+arrested&oq=Pastor+arrested&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0l2.31036.39652.0.40346.19.11.2.6.6.0.66.607.11.11.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.18.568....0.FFzVAAd3Lw8

Pastor charged with raping two young girls in Murfreesboro arrested ...
WZTV-Feb 21, 2018
A pastor accused of sexually assaulting two young sisters at a religious conference in Murfreesboro has been arrested in Florida. David Alan Rowan, a pastor at Faith Baptist Church in Milton, Fla., is charged with three counts of rape, two counts of unlawful contact and sexual battery by an authority figure, according to a ...

Pastor arrested for sexual battery against teen parishioner, told her ...
ABC Action News-Feb 12, 2018
A pastor in Pasco County is accused of sexual battery against a teen parishioner and was arrested on Friday, February 9, 2018. Gerardo Martinez, 52, the pastor at Miracle Christian Church, met a 17-year-old parishioner when her parents brought her to the church. Martinez told the teen she suffered from ...

Whitwell High School teacher, pastor arrested for statutory rape
WRCB-TV-Feb 16, 2018
The details of what led to Smith's arrest have not been released. Channel 3 has learned that Smith is also the pastor of Valley View Baptist Church in Whitwell. Sheriff Burnett says Smith was arrested shortly after 8:00 p.m. and is being booked in the Marion County jail. Stay with WRCBtv.com for updates to ...

Florida pastor arrested on child sexual battery charge
WPTV.com-Feb 9, 2018
WINTER HAVEN, Fla. - A Florida church pastor was arrested on Thursday for improper sexual conduct with two minors, deputies say. Pastor David Cooper, 43, of Moving Mountains Ministries in Winter Haven was arrested for the sexual battery of a girl under the age of twelve, and lewd exhibition with ...

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February Pastor Arrests for Sexual Crimes - First Google Results Page Only (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2018 OP
But it's okay... Freedomofspeech Feb 2018 #1
Sinners, all. We shouldn't cast the first stone, see. MineralMan Feb 2018 #2
Okay, but atheists do it too.. Permanut Feb 2018 #3
It's not about the acts, really. MineralMan Feb 2018 #7
Excellent points.. Permanut Feb 2018 #9
Demonstrating 2 things: guillaumeb Feb 2018 #4
Oh, my opinion is worthless, of course. I know that. MineralMan Feb 2018 #5
Your opinions are worthwhile, guillaumeb Feb 2018 #6
Well, I should hope you stand by your observations. MineralMan Feb 2018 #8
A couple of quick observations.. Permanut Feb 2018 #10
Yes, they were quickly read. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #11
Ah yes, whataboutism. trotsky Feb 2018 #12
Dismissal of what you cannot answer. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #13
Are you sure you're not writing about yourself again? trotsky Feb 2018 #14
It demonstrates one thing you can't hand-wave away, not even with enough vigor to propel yourself AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #15
Your attempt at phrasing failed. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #16
No. That was your understanding. MineralMan Feb 2018 #17
Out of gas, huh? Come on back when you're ready. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #18
Don't you mean framing? Paleologue Feb 2018 #19
You are showing yourself to be quite harmonious. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #21
Oh, for pete's sake! MineralMan Feb 2018 #22
Apparently "harmonious" Paleologue Feb 2018 #23
And tolerant as well. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #24
Good that you think so Paleologue Feb 2018 #25
So you have no respect for them? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #26
Ah, so putting words Paleologue Feb 2018 #27
Read what you wrote. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #29
And now demands, from someone who never answers direct questions Paleologue Feb 2018 #30
I understand your position. guillaumeb Feb 2018 #31
Oh, let me guess Paleologue Feb 2018 #33
He is speaking of being "harmonious" with regard to singing in the choir. MineralMan Feb 2018 #32
And Here's a New, Late-February Pastor Arrest MineralMan Feb 2018 #20
Let's Not Judge Criminals but, Instead, Give Them a Pass dlk Feb 2018 #28

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
2. Sinners, all. We shouldn't cast the first stone, see.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:56 AM
Feb 2018

Maybe we can pray for those individuals. That might help.

Permanut

(5,616 posts)
3. Okay, but atheists do it too..
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018

so that balances it out, and so this isn't really about theism. Well, on second thought, maybe these pastors were just searching for the creator in their own way. I'm not sure which is correct.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
7. It's not about the acts, really.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:59 PM
Feb 2018

It's about the reaction to those acts by colleagues and co-religionists. Too often, as we saw with the RCC's burying of sexual offenders among its clergy, such things are not dealt with as they should be, nor are the offenders handled properly by the hierarchy.

For every arrest, there are those who escape notice, sometimes for years. We are too quick to trust "men of God," I believe. We need to be more watchful and careful.

That's really the message here. And yes, atheists can also offend in these ways. They have no protective organizations, though, as a rule.

Permanut

(5,616 posts)
9. Excellent points..
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:15 PM
Feb 2018

I should have included the sarcasm tag; and it really IS about the acts. Your beliefs (the generic "your" ) don't affect me until you act on them.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Demonstrating 2 things:
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:44 PM
Feb 2018

First, that predators will prey no matter their occupation.

And second, that one can find many things on Google.

It does not demonstrate the correctness or relevance of your personal opinion as anything other than one person's opinion.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
5. Oh, my opinion is worthless, of course. I know that.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:54 PM
Feb 2018

I do appreciate your regular reminders, though. It's always good to see other people's opinions, whatever their perceived value might be...

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Your opinions are worthwhile,
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:57 PM
Feb 2018

and generally quite insightful. But my observations on this particular post stand.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
8. Well, I should hope you stand by your observations.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:00 PM
Feb 2018

Mine stand, as well, even though you missed the point.

Permanut

(5,616 posts)
10. A couple of quick observations..
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 01:24 PM
Feb 2018

First, that not all predators represent that they are God's representatives on the Earth. Pastors do that.

Second, the statement that "one can find many things on Google" is an example of tautological arrogance.

As I said, just a couple of quick observations.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. It demonstrates one thing you can't hand-wave away, not even with enough vigor to propel yourself
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:24 PM
Feb 2018

through the air like a bird.

One of the following is true:

Being 'of faith' is so squishy and or meaningless, that you can't even detect people in your own ranks that fake it
Or
People who do believe and use that position of faith to harm children, are so un-awed by their own god, that they commit these crimes at the same rate as faith-less/un-faith-related positions of authority, like public school teachers.



Their faith is either wholly fake and you can't even tell, or their faith is real but doesn't make them better people.


Either way, faith is useless.

 

Paleologue

(76 posts)
23. Apparently "harmonious"
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:44 PM
Feb 2018

is your latest dodge of the day. Or else "harmonious" only means in harmony with you and your religious apologist worldview. Yeah...don't expect that.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
24. And tolerant as well.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:46 PM
Feb 2018

Good to see such tolerance on your part for the 85% of your co-citizens who are theists

 

Paleologue

(76 posts)
25. Good that you think so
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:51 PM
Feb 2018

since I haven't been intolerant of any of them. They're all still around, still practicing their little faiths exactly the way they want to, and professing their beliefs just as they always have. So clearly they are being "tolerated". "Tolerated" does not mean respected, it means put up with.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
26. So you have no respect for them?
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:54 PM
Feb 2018

No respect for 85% of your co-citizens?

Your tolerance sounds less tolerant than you might think.

 

Paleologue

(76 posts)
27. Ah, so putting words
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:04 PM
Feb 2018

in other people's mouths is what you regard as "harmonious". Why am I not surprised? You do fit the stereotype perfectly.

 

Paleologue

(76 posts)
30. And now demands, from someone who never answers direct questions
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:16 PM
Feb 2018

Tsk, tsk. Not very harmonious at all. In fact, you're starting to sound downright hostile.

But don't worry...I will continue to tolerate you.

 

Paleologue

(76 posts)
33. Oh, let me guess
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 05:57 PM
Feb 2018

You've already bookmarked this in hopes of throwing it back in my face at some future date. So predictable. You really are the poster boy for this kind of....poster.

Knock yourself out, but don't delude yourself that you understand me at all.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
32. He is speaking of being "harmonious" with regard to singing in the choir.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:25 PM
Feb 2018

That is another favorite word.

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)
20. And Here's a New, Late-February Pastor Arrest
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:35 AM
Feb 2018

This one's from Texas. And he seemed like such a nice young man, too...

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/02/26/youth-pastor-mesquite-baptist-church-accused-sexually-assaulting-15-year-old

A Mesquite youth pastor has been arrested after being accused of sexually assaulting a teenager.

Steven Winn, 33, a youth pastor at Open Door Baptist Church, was booked into the Dallas County jail early Thursday on three counts of sexual assault of a child.



Police said that the victim was 15 at the time the assaults began, according to KDFW-TV (Channel 4). Authorities learned of the allegations earlier this month and arrested Winn several days later.
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