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Related: About this forum"Who Created You?" A Creation Story That Is Not a Myth
Every so often, someone who is trying to convince me that some sort of supernatural entity is responsible for everything in the universe will ask, "So, who created YOU?" It's sort of a last gasp question, when one runs out of things to bring up. The thing is, though, that I know who created me. I even know when it happened, and understand how it happened with a good deal of precision. This is my answer.
Right around Hallowe'en in 1944, there was this young couple, just 20 years old. The young man had just finished his training to be a B-17 pilot, and was on the verge of being sent to Italy, near the end of WWII, to use his new skills and risk his life. He had married his high school sweetheart a couple of months earlier, while at a training base. She followed him around for the rest of his training, and they lived in an assortment of shabby rented rooms and apartments near whatever base his training took him to.
So, shortly before he was to leave, flying one of those B-17s, and with his initial crew, that young couple did what young couples in wartime often do in such circumstances. I was conceived right around Hallowe'en. My parents couldn't say exactly what date it would have been, because they were doing those things frequently at that time.
Anyhow, my father flew off to Italy, and my mother returned to her parents' home in Arizona. A couple of months later, she started to have some morning sickness and had stopped menstruating. She and my father wrote letters to each other frequently, and they arrived at odd intervals, usually in batches. She told my father that she was pregnant, and he worried about that, among other things, as he flew missions over Germany near the end of the war.
Well, near the end of July, 1945, one week after the US dropped the "A-Bomb" on Hiroshima, I appeared in the usual way, a full-term male infant weighing 8 lb. 6 oz., at a small town hospital in a mining town in Arizona. The war was soon over. Three months later, my father returned from Italy and North Africa, where he had been stationed. He was mustered out of the USAAF and made his way to Arizona, where he met me for the first time. I have no memory of this, of course.
My parents created me. They did so during wartime, and with a great deal of worry and trepidation. Lots of other humans were created in similar circumstances around the same time. My parents moved to California and my father found work. I grew up in a small citrus-growing town in a little house on a block of other little houses where many, many other kids created around the same time were growing up as well.
I have provided this answer to a number of people who asked me that silly question. I was created by two mammals, two primates, in the same way all mammals have evolved to create more mammals. I know how I was created, why, and by whom. Exactly. Almost to the day. It's simple. That's how mammals create their young. Evolution is a wonderful thing, for sure. All mammals reproduce in exactly the same way. Wonderful!
Pope George Ringo II
(1,896 posts)MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Nicely done!
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MineralMan
(146,308 posts)gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Voltaire2
(13,033 posts)But at least it is a definition that can be discussed.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)mitch96
(13,904 posts)who created who and keep going back and back to the big bang... who did that?? If you want to call it god, ok... but not some supernatural mumbo jumbo...
OH! santa has the same powers of knowing who is naughty or nice...... ugg.
I believe we are all part of this cosmic universe made of cosmic "stuff". From the infinity before we were born to the infinity after we die. Just one big happy cosmic family!! YMMV
works for me..
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LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)the de-evolutional Garden.
safeinOhio
(32,677 posts)With a beginning and an end. However, if we look at Infinite vs. Finite when it comes to time and space, it becomes something our minds do not handle.
If space and time are infinite, there would be no possibility that we did not happen and did not happen over and over again and again. We need a creation story to handle it.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I have no need for one. I'm fascinated by our inquiry into the beginnings of the universe, but do not expect that the fundamental questions will be answered. We are inside the universe, and so cannot examine it from outside.
No problem. I don't need to know, as much as I'd like to know.
I do know my own creation story, though.
safeinOhio
(32,677 posts)"The Tao that is spoken of is not the eternal Tao"..The problem with language is that words can not describe what words can not describe.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)require words.
Humans have many limitations, most of which are physical. I wish I could see from the perspective inside of an atom, just as much as I wish I could look back at the universe from outside of it. Both are literally impossible. I wish I could see in x-ray light, or even in ultraviolet light, but both are physically impossible.
We can, however, imagine almost any viewpoint if we have enough information. People regularly consider and even envision multi-dimensional space, using mathematics and the power of human imagination. I'd like to be able to do that, but have not studied the kind of mathematics that would allow it, and am not inclined to do so.
Words are limiting, but we do have other ways of experiencing things.
My curiosity far exceeds my capabilities to grasp the concepts I am curious about. In some cases, I have been able to learn enough to form conceptions of things, but in others, I simply do not have the time, or lack the raw intelligence to understand enough to get to that point. Others, however, can.
Consider Stephen Hawking. His view of things is very different from mine, I am certain. He is able to visualize or conceptualize things I cannot, I have no doubt. It's OK, though. We all have different capabilities. The trick is to use the capabilities we have to stretch our consciousness and understanding beyond what is obvious. Doing so is the joy of living, in my opinion.
There is much we cannot know. Making up supernatural explanations for what we cannot know, however, is a poor crutch. I'd rather know that I cannot know, and extend what I do know than lean on that crutch.