Religion
Related: About this forumIt is literally impossible to define exactly what is a Christian
It cannot be done. That's because Christianity is so far from being a unified religion that there is too little common ground to use to establish a definition. About all one can say is that Christians worship a man/god who they believed walked the earth, said some stuff that other people wrote down later, and then was executed by the Romans about 2000 years ago and died. After three days, the story goes, he rose from the dead, talked to a few people, and then ascended into heaven.
Christians generally think that if you believe that story, all of your sins will be forgiven and you'll live forever in that same heaven after you die. The theory is that Jesus Christ sacrificed his own life in payment for everyone's sins. If you believe that, you're home free. You should also try to live a good life, of course, but even if you can't it'll be OK in the end.
There are lots more details. Different groups of Christians (there are thousands of such groups) believe all sorts of other things, and they argue a lot about those details. With hundreds and hundreds of millions of believers, such splits and different understandings of things were probably inescapable. But, all of those groups call themselves Christians, and who's to say they're not all saved. Certainly not me. I leave all that to them.
Christians feel all sorts of ways about all sorts of things. Just because you know someone who calls him or herself a Christian doesn't mean that you know much about that person. You have to wait to get to know them before you know how they feel about politics, charity, racial issues, money, sexual matters, and the like, just like with anyone else. Being a Christian doesn't mean anything about anything except what they generally believe about religious stuff. They believe different religious things, too, but that's way too complicated for me to talk about here.
It can be confusing, even for other Christians, really. But it's OK. They're all saved, so you needn't worry about that, assuming you were worried about that in the first place. You can expect them to try to get you saved, as well. That's up to you, of course. If you can believe the story, you can be saved, too, as far as I know. I can't believe it, but apparently some people can.
And that's all I can say about Christians. Really. Good luck in your encounters with them.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)I give up on this world and its inhabitants ever latching onto reason and pulling themselves from the morass of idiocy and superstitious beliefs, tribalism and hatred.
We have 'elected' a barely evolved orangutang to be our leader and he is threatening to show everyone whose button is bigger in some kind of bizarre twist on apes battling in the jungles for leadership of the clan, only this time with the real possibility of mushroom clouds and nuclear fire...so my amount of time left to contemplate the more or less harmless (in context of nuclear war starting ape-boys) fictions of other people is definitely less of a prime mover these days...I find myself worrying more about things like access to drinking water, wind and current patterns that distribute fall out and whether or not living in a post-nuclear exchange world is worth living at all...
So in the end, those who wish to self-delude into believing a Jewish carpenter's son, from 1st century Palestine, is the locus of human existence and cosmic significance, more power to them, just keep it to themselves and allow me to worry about the possibility that there may not BE a future much longer...
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)I don't know. I'm just trying to make my way through it all. It's interesting, that's for sure.
PdxSean
(574 posts)Trump.
Igel
(35,337 posts)There, it's a definition. I suspect it includes everybody who says they're Christians and excludes those who don't. You can't tell just by looking at a person, but then again you can't really tell what language they speak by looking at them. (Oddly, linguists have the same problem definition 'language', with lumpers and splitters duking it out as much as lumpers and splitters in taxonomics do ... Oy, Echinofossulocactus taxonomy!)
It's a general definition, and there are a lot of more fine-grained definitions, but they all miss part of {Christians} (I have no idea how the DU parser will interpret that { and } .)
Often the definition is chosen to exclude part of the set I have in mind, to redefine the set. Most often the other definitions are chosen without awareness or at least active consideration of the range of sectariansms.
Heck, on any given day in which I use the word "Christian" in 4 different conversations I'm likely to use 4 different definitions. Is my co-worker Christian? Sure and not in the least. Is my wife? Absolutely, but not really. Is the Pope? No way, but yeah. But the context had damned well better make clear what the distinction being drawn is.
But if you're going to go with all the distinctions as making no difference, then you're stuck with something like mine.
It's the same with "Democrat." Look at the struggles on DU to define the word. Each person gets to self-define. Doesn't mean DU has to let them stay. But the claim "you're not a true Democrat" always strikes me as specious and supercilious, boiling down to, "I get to define the term based on myself as prototypical, and you, sir, are no me!"
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)As you say, if they say they are, I'm OK with that. I don't need to know more than that, really.
Now, as I get to know a Christian, I might have ideas as to what kind of Christian that person is. But those categories are the same for Christians and non-Christians, really. Are they friendly? Tolerant? Biased? Mean? Kind? Annoying as hell? That sort of thing. But those are separate classifications, as far as I am concerned.
Whatever kind they are, if they say they are Christians, then I won't argue with them about that status. I'll decide what sort of person they are by how they behave in all sorts of areas. They might be smart or simple-minded, gentle or violent, or any other sort of person. Then, I would sort them according to behavioral or other distinguishing categories.
The overall Christian category doesn't really tell me anything, except that they believe some stuff. I don't find that to be useful information, generally. Some other person might be a Muslim, a Hindu, or a Jain. Again, that would tell me very little, other than some stuff they believe.
And I don't really care about what people believe. I care about how they act. That's what matters to me. If someone acts like an asshole, what they believe in religious categories is of little interest to me. I'll try to avoid them. If, on the other hand, a person is a kind, generous, interesting person, the religious category is also irrelevant. I like people like that, so why would I care what they believe about religion?
So, I'm a lumper, but the overall religious category is not of that much interest to me.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Believe that he existed, and believed that he was a special man of god?
Congrats, you've just defined Muslims as Christians.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)You have to believe all that stuff to believe IN Jesus, see. That's how I've always taken it. However, I have no doubt that someone who is a Christian will be along to tell me how I got it wrong, from some particular point of view or another.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)I've been to many churches throughout the southern region of the country. I used to teach/host conferences for the National Black Baptist Association (very different from the other larger association with a similar name, minus the black). Even in these churches that claim to all be a part of the same association, there are many differences.
Everyone (I'm talking specifically people of faith) has their own unique relationship with God, and everyone should respect that truth. I would gently encourage you to visit a church that has strong ties within the civil rights community. These houses of worship have been on the forefront of progressive policies long before others saw the light. Think : Rev. Barber and the Moral Monday Movement.
Please understand, this is not an attempt to convert you. I'm just offering a way for you to see Christianity from my lens.
Peace and blessings to you, MineralMan.
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)And when I encounter Christians I am fine so I don't need luck.
Voltaire2
(13,109 posts)Might want to be a bit more selective?
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)Voltaire2
(13,109 posts)misogynist, nationalistic, racist etc.? Just never run into such a christian? Seriously?
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)I have never encountered them personally.
Voltaire2
(13,109 posts)You didn't qualify that at all. Are you fine with all christians?
PragmaticDem
(320 posts)I am well aware through my own experience how cruel some Christians can be. My point is I can handle Christians I personally encounter. Sorry if it wasn't precise for you.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)in schools.
They've mellowed a bit, but they are still basically in a cease-fire.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Comatose Sphagetti
(836 posts)If you believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old.
If you believe a child was born of a virgin.
If you believe Noah put all animals, INCLUDING FUCKING DINOSAURS, on an ark.
If you believe a man parted a sea.
If you believe a man walked on water.
If you believe a dead guy is coming back.
Etc., etc., ad nauseam....
Then that is simply absurd.
All religions arose from a warped interpretation/expression of the emotion/feeling of humility.
edhopper
(33,604 posts)but I really want to say that is the coolest screen name.
It sounds like a 60s psychedelic band.