Religion
Related: About this forumI'm certainly no religious expert
But it seems to me that in the Christian Bible Jesus was trying to bring a feminine, tender, and loving side to a hyper patriarchal religion. We see how that went.
Seems like this is the age old struggle.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)religion has similar ideas.
Compare the Buddhism's eight fold path to what Jesus said for instance.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Is receptive, open, and loving.
The opposite of hellfire, floods, and damnation as is the God of Abraham.
I'm probably just splitting hairs.
Again, I'm no religious scholar by any means.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)In Catholic school I was told that we suffer on earth to gain a higher place in heaven. We even praised saints that beat themselves and wore hair shirts.
Buddha said I teach suffering and the end to suffering.
bdtrppr6
(796 posts)and it's all made up bullshit.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Dale Neiburg
(698 posts)(Who would be even more important if she were consistently referred to be name instead of multiple monikers intended to reduce her status.)
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)And her character is a problem to begin with: First a prostitute, then a saint. His mother was first a virgin, then a saint.
So there's 3 kinds of women in the New Testament: Virgins, prostitutes and saints.
If the New Testament is supposed to give a balancing, feminine touch to a hyperpatriarchial religion, where are the ordinary women??????
Where are the wives and daughters and sisters?
Were the Apostles married? Or did Jesus' gang consist of 13 single bros?
Mariana
(14,861 posts)The Bible says Christ cast demons out of her, that she was present at the crucifixion, and that she was the first, or among the first to see him after he was resurrected. Certainly she was devoted to him, but did she really do anything important?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)in order to proclaim Christianity the gosh-darn'dest most women-friendliest religion the world has ever known.
Duh!
Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)What makes a religious expert?
Is that like an astrology expert?
Or a ghost expert?
How about a UFO expert?
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I met her at an athiest meetng. She did all that studying and figured out it was BS. So now she's stuck with a degree in something she doesn't believe in and years of student debt.
But her mind is free, so that's the best outcome.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Overlooking the sexism of that choice of words, I'd say there was quite a bit in the message of Jesus what was anything but tender or loving.
Luke 19:27 - But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Voltaire2
(13,194 posts)considered the primary examples of patriarchal religions.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Hinduism is not Abrahamic and is arguably the most patriarchal of the world's major religions (Hinduism: A Cultural Perspective by David R. Kinsley).
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)It's OK. Most other people who haven't read the Bible don't really know what they're talking about, either.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Because it looks like condescension to me.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Lots of people miss the misogyny in the first chapter of the New Testament that is actually devoted to Jesus' teaching (Hint: it's Matthew 5). But let's be honest, here: the Bible's pretty damned boring. So much begetting. So many old dudes talking about oiled virgins and horny bridegrooms in pompous primitive affect. It's completely understandable if you lose interest after the gold, frankincense, and myrrh.
So yeah, if you ignore or don't read any of the parts where Jesus talks about women -- or to his poor mother -- you might think he was great for the ladies.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)and we could learn
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Hint: one of the best examples is in John.
Happy hunting.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)you sound like the trump people shouting 'fake news' and state no facts
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)As odd as this might seem, I don't keep a compendium of obscene Bible verses at the ready should the random association decide to question, for reasons I find utterly incomprehensible, whether an iron age book about an iron age man written in the iron age by other other iron age men would reflect the gender attitudes common to men in the iron age. Neither do I feel especially obligated to compile such a list when the opponent's attitude toward the topic is "I'll make up whatever the fuck and I want and assume I'm right until someone can explicitly prove otherwise". Way to hold others to a standard to which you apparently do not even hold yourself.
It's my turn to be lazy. Book of John. Chapter 2. Happy reading.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)"I'll make up whatever the fuck and I want and assume I'm right until someone can explicitly prove otherwise"
I never said anything
I just asked you to list the facts
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)and found nothing distasteful
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)"Woman, what has that to do with me?"
The next time she asks why don't spend time with her and your brothers, ask her: "Who is my mother? Who are my brothers?"
Let's see how that works out.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)Cartoonist
(7,323 posts)Why do bible readers enter a discussion and make claims they don't back up? "Do your own research! I'm too busy drinking coffee to support my statements"
Merlot
(9,696 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)You have to be.