I dont like niqabs and burqas but they should be legal

[guillaumeb]

From the article:

Those laid-back, liberal-libertine Scandinavians have found a place to draw the line. Denmark will soon become the latest country to ban face coverings for women — which is to say, to ban the niqab, or face veil, and burqas, which include gauze over the eyes..........

Reuters then helpfully reports that this law thus would affect the roughly 200 women in Denmark who wear such garments.

To read more of this latest instance of blatant Islamophobia:

http://religionnews.com/2017/10/16/i-dont-like-niqabs-and-burqas-but-they-should-be-legal/

[AJT]

1. This is tough for me. Making it impossible for women to physically function

in society and couching it in religion makes me angry. To say that it's "her choice" while raising her to believe she'll be condemned to eternal damnation is nonsense. The covering is to totally control women.

[guillaumeb]

2. The author also wrote:

Federal laws, however, aren’t supposed to be tailored to my preference and comfort. Laws against public wearing of such clothes amount instead to cultural chauvinism and, in fact, a compromise of women’s rights.

I cannot tell another what to wear, or what not to wear,or what to believe, or what not to believe. That applies to the men and the women in a family where the women wear coverings.

[AJT]

3. So female circumcision should be okie dokie....

[guillaumeb]

4. It is illegal in the US, Canada, and many other countries.

Do you equate genital mutilation with wearing a face covering?

[trotsky]

14. If you are going to have different standards for an act...

depending on whether or not it is done out of religious conviction (as you have admitted that you do), then it's a point worth pondering. Where do you draw the line?

[guillaumeb]

22. I draw a logical line behind female genital mutilation, illegal in most countries,

and wearing something for religious reasons.

And I am aware of the compelling interest angle that governs what government can do in the US..

[Mariana]

9. Adult women should be able to choose that for themselves.

As long as a woman knows exactly what her particular surgery would entail and what the effects will be, and she still wants it done, she should be able to. Just like any other cosmetic surgery. Don't you think women should have that right?

Circumcising a child without a compelling medical reason for the surgery, should always be considered a serious crime.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. What do you think would happen if a person entered a hospital and said 'please remove my left arm'?

For non-medical personal belief reasons.

Do you think there's a single licensed medical professional in the country that would do it?

[Mariana]

15. Depends on what specifically she wants done.

See: Labiaplasty and Clitoral Unhooding

It's important to be specific what you mean when you say female circumcision. Clitoral unhooding is probably the procedure most similar to male circumcision, and it is not illegal for a woman to have it done.

Anyway, this thread is about face covering in public in Denmark. I think it's reasonable to prohibit it. We prohibit public nudity, I don't see how this is any different.

[trotsky]

16. Oh we know what's different.

Religion.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Oh you don't? So I can just walk around completely naked at all times then?

presumably you'd enforce 'wear something', even if I would prefer not to .

[trotsky]

17. Is it part of your religion?

If so, then g-man must say yes. He has stated he believes rules can be broken if you are religious. You have rights that non-believers don't.

[guillaumeb]

21. You are free to do as you wish.

Some countries do have laws regarding skin exposure.

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Astouding. Go apply that to your previous post and do the fucking math.

[Binkie The Clown]

5. Especially among bank robbers.

Hiding one's identity is a good thing. Right? It inspires trust. Right?

[guillaumeb]

6. Do you equate the two things? eom

[Binkie The Clown]

7. No. I'm pointing out that there are social situations in which hiding one's identity is suspect, and

downright dangerous. Would you feel comfortable in a bank if this person walked :



Or how about this person?



or how about this person?



Or this person?



or this person?



People who make it a habit to hide their identity do not inspire trust.

Where do you draw the line?

[Lordquinton]

8. I'm sure there will be agreement that a bank can ban them

As private institutions can do that, as has been previously established.

[trotsky]

11. Haha nice.

Yep, let's remember that the g-man expressly agreed:

"...institutions have the right to enforce certain rules."

(But note, he did NOT distinguish between public and private institutions.)

[Lordquinton]

26. Curious isn't it?

Of course this wasn't what he was talking about.

[guillaumeb]

18. The second person looked quite pale.

In winter, and if you live in a northern area, do you ever see people walking with covered faces?

How about at Halloween?

How about Asians wearing paper masks?

At Mardi Gras?

[trotsky]

10. If a man wants to cover up completely and wear a ski mask in public, is that OK?

Can the state force him to remove his ski mask for an official photo ID?

You never did answer that question on the other thread you started about this topic.

[guillaumeb]

19. What are the regulations governing face coverings?

One question that must be asked.

[trotsky]

20. You can't wear one for an official ID picture.

Are you for or against that rule?

[guillaumeb]

23. Link to specific regulations if you wish.

But generally, in the US, the state must demonstrate a compelling interest in cases of religious discrimination like this.

[trotsky]

24. Nah, I'm not going to.

You insist you don't have to back up any of your claims, so you have absolutely no right to demand others do so.

Next time you renew your driver's license, show up with your face obscured by a ski mask and let me know how it goes.

[Lordquinton]

27. Try it with a collandar on your head

See what happens.

[Angry Dragon]

28. A lot of super heros not allowed