Roy Moore is a Threat to Religious Liberty

[trotsky]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roy-moore-is-a-threat-to-religious-liberty_us_59d1353de4b0f58902e5cd44

...In 2014 Moore released a video suggesting that the First Amendment applies only to Christians. “They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship, the Mayflower,” Moore said. “Let’s get real. Let’s learn our history. Let’s stop playing games. . . . Everybody, to include the U.S. Supreme Court, has been deceived as to one little word in the First Amendment called ‘religion.’ They can’t define it . . . . They can’t define it the way Mason, Madison and even the United State Supreme Court defined it, ‘the duties we owe to the creator and the manner of discharging it.’ They don’t want to do that, because that acknowledges a creator god. . . . Buddha didn’t create us. Mohammed didn’t create us. It’s the god of the Holy Scriptures.”

Perhaps Moore should learn our history. Both the early Baptists who provided the theological framework for religious liberty and the framers of the Constitution did indeed intend religious liberty for all.

In his 1612 treatise, “A Short Declaration of the Mistery of Iniquity,” Thomas Helwys, one of the pioneers of Baptist tradition, advocated for complete religious liberty for all people:

Let them be heretics, Turks, Jews or whatsoever, it appertaines not to the earthly power to punish them in the least measure.” Why? Helwys argued, because people’s “religion to God is betwixt God and themselves” (qtd. in Shurden, 47.) Helwys’ declaration was so radical that he was thrown into prison where he died in 1616.

[stonecutter357]

1. K&R

[Act_of_Reparation]

2. This is something political Christians don't seem to understand.

Before they had Muslims, Jews, and Pinko-commie-secular-humanist-atheists to kick around, they were busy persecuting each other. Without us around, they'd go back to doing just that. It's a big fucking country. Everyone is a minority somewhere.

[trotsky]

3. Exactly.

It was Jefferson's letter to *Baptists* where we find the phrase "wall of separation" between church and state - he was reassuring them.

[guillaumeb]

4. Recommended. Moore is an actual and potential threat to liberty. eom

[trotsky]

6. How do you propose we deal with him, and the millions of Americans who support him? n/t

[guillaumeb]

7. Through the Courts,

and through organizing voters, and inspiring potential voters to register, and through fighting to win elections in states like Wisconsin and Michigan and other states so that the Democrats can (possibly) win back control of Congress and the Presidency in 2020.

Your ideas on how to fight him?

[trotsky]

8. How do you use the courts to keep Roy Moore from being elected?

How do you convince someone they're wrong, when they believe that they are doing what god wants, AND that any facts or reasoning you provide are "fake news" provided by Satan?

I realize that you think you have a perfect understanding of what Christianity is.

Problem is, they do too.

[guillaumeb]

11. Ultimately the SCOTUS rules on these matters.

So our work must be focused on winning elections.

Again, what are your suggestions?

[trotsky]

12. I'll offer my suggestions when you answer my questions.

You haven't, and I'm pretty sure you won't.

[guillaumeb]

13. Yes, the constant reformulations and "what ifs"

that are found so frequently in your responses. Thus permitting one to criticize without ever actually offering something oneself. Believe me, I understand your method.

And generally when I ask a question of you, I do not expect an answer.

[trotsky]

14. When you give answers, you'll get legitimate responses.

It's a constant pattern for you, on multiple threads, with multiple DUers. This isn't just me. You manage to annoy and aggravate basically everyone in this forum.

Be the change you want to see.

[guillaumeb]

15. I have read this non-response many times also.

A pattern, and an easy one to identify. Again, making you the sole determiner of what constitutes a true answer.

[trotsky]

16. And you'll continue to see the pattern, because you won't break out of yours.

Keep it up if you want. Either way I'm good, because I really do enjoy seeing you humiliate yourself over and over again - AND prove yourself such an exemplary spokesperson for Christianity.

Do go on...

[guillaumeb]

18. Thank you...........

for this formulaic response:

really do enjoy seeing you humiliate yourself over and over again

This might be the 5,319th time you have used that one.

(NOTE: 5,319 is an attempt at humor. )

[trotsky]

19. And thus your pattern continues unbroken. n/t

[Angry Dragon]

5. Moore is a religious ................. fill in the blank

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. Oooh! Madlibs! I love this game.

Moore is a religious shit weevil.

Your turn!

[Angry Dragon]

17. glad you like the game

[Lordquinton]

10. I don't get what the Mayflower has to do with anything

A group of ill prepared religious fanatics survived winter, big deal.