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My father, who is 92 years old now, was a B-17 pilot during WWII. About 10 years ago, he attended a Memorial Day event at the cemetery in the small California town where he lives. He's a well-known man in that town, since he served as the Chief of the town's volunteer Fire Department for almost 30 years. He is also a non-religious person who simply has never had any time for religion, although he really never speaks of it.
Anyhow, the organizers of that Memorial Day event had asked a local pastor to speak at the event, as they always did each year. That particular year, however, the pastor they chose took the occasion to deliver a speech that addressed only abortion and gays in dramatic, negative and vehement words. He went on for about 5 minutes, until my father had his fill of it. My father stood up in the audience and interrupted the pastor. He said, very pointedly, and I paraphrase:
"Excuse me, but that is NOT why we have gathered in this place today. This gathering is to commemorate the brave people who have lost their lives during wartime. Everyone here knew someone who died in battle, and we have come here to honor them, not to listen to someone complain about things that are not relevant to that. So, sir, if you do not have something so say in honor of those people, then I suggest that you sit down and stop talking. We do not want to listen to any more of what you have been saying."
Then, my father sat down again. Slowly, applause began to build in the group that had gathered. The pastor left the podium and walked away from the gathering. The next speaker on the program stepped up and began his speech commemorating those who served and the program continued without further interruption.
When the subject of a religious expression in public places is irrelevant to the situation, it serves no purpose and should not occur. If it does occur, it should be interrupted and the person making it told of its irrelevancy. Not every expression is suitable to every occasion. All too often, we allow religious expression to interfere with people's lives and do not speak out in fear of being impolite. We should stop doing that, really. We should not be afraid to stand up and insist that relevance be considered when people are gathered for a particular reason.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)My father, with a religious mother and WW1 father lied about his age to join the "action" at the start of WWII. His was the lot of the sharp shooter, tracker and behind the lines of duty. The horrors he observed in Europe changed his life and mine. He died of brain cancer some years ago.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)The WWII vets are dying off so quickly now. Soon, there will be no more of them. That is a true pity.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Ken Burns, a great historian imo, told some, but not nearly enough of their stories. My father spoke only to me, as an adult, about his nightmares.
SCantiGOP
(13,874 posts)I have recently stopped 'participating' in public prayer before meals. If someone asks if they can say a prayer, which happens more often than not in SC, I make a point to say "I have no problem if you want to pray," with some emphasis on the work 'you.'
While most close their eyes, I always notice that a few at the table glance at me and see that I am sitting straight in my chair and staring straight ahead while the prayer is underway. Polite but not participating.
On three occasions I have had people challenge me later on why I oppose public prayer. They usually give up the conservation when I ask them if god would be displeased with a silent acknowledgment from anyone rather than a public display showing everyone how pious that individual is, and how we as a society should be engaging in mass demonstrations of a shared religious view.
What your father did takes some guts, but I think it is necessary to keep from being counted in the group who feel that god will be mad if you don't thank him - rather than the farmers, truckers, cooks, servers, etc - for the food that has miraculously appeared before you.
Orrex
(63,225 posts)I applaud your father for calling out bullshit as bullshit.
Brainstormy
(2,381 posts)kag
(4,079 posts)I would have been among those applauding him.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)Normally, he's very quiet, but when he has something to say, he says it.
BigmanPigman
(51,630 posts)I have wanted to do that my entire life. As a teacher I would have to lead the "Pledge of Allegiance" and the word GOD always got stuck in my throat. Out of school I never participated but I wish I had the guts to do what your dad did.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)"under God" didn't come in until the year I was born, 1954. And it was Eisenhower that urged it. Republican, of course. I still sit out that phrase - don't speak it when others do.
Duppers
(28,127 posts)His "negative and vehement words."
for your Dad.
packman
(16,296 posts)Satanist insisted on praying - since the elected utility board does. Not received very well
Story:
http://www.pnj.com/story/news/2017/08/24/satanist-removed-ecua-meeting-protesting-prayer-policy/600132001/
TNNurse
(6,929 posts)and for his service in that gathering.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)I don't live near them, so I call every day at the same time. It's part of their day now.
Initech
(100,104 posts)Martin Eden
(12,875 posts)And no doubt some of the honored dead were gay, but in those days coming out of the closet just wasn't done in mainstream American society.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)If I had been in his time, I'd have danced with him at the USO. (To MineralMan's Dad: Sir, YOU are a hero. )
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)HAB911
(8,916 posts)almost anything is acceptable in the name of religion, most will not question
to my chagrin
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)He has never been afraid to take a position that might be unpopular, as long as he thinks he is right. Further, he's almost always right in his thinking. Almost...Hi, Dad!
HAB911
(8,916 posts)I don't remember him being political nor religious. Sometime in my younger years I did ask him if he believed in god, he mulled that over for a few seconds and just shook his head.
BTW, he was Seabee during the war, stationed in New Guinea. A telephone man whose foot steps, I for some reason, followed in, LOL.