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MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:39 PM Aug 2017

Jesus. What did the people where he lived actually call him?

Certainly, they didn't say, "Hey, Jesus! What's up?" That name is not even close to anyone's name in that place at that time. So, what was this historical character's actual name? How was it pronounced by his peers and fellow inhabitants of the place he lived?

Anyone know? Joshua? Yeshua? Yohushua? What was his name, really? Someone must have written it down in a language current to the period.

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Jesus. What did the people where he lived actually call him? (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2017 OP
mithra, since the legends are the same. niyad Aug 2017 #1
... DonViejo Aug 2017 #2
Put the ' at the end. Igel Aug 2017 #17
I go with Yeshua but could've been Ἰησοῦς in the Lingua Franca of the day. TexasProgresive Aug 2017 #3
more interesting to ask greymattermom Aug 2017 #4
Which one? There were so many, and still are, apparently. MineralMan Aug 2017 #5
My understanding is that the name for G-d in Aramaic greymattermom Aug 2017 #6
Same dude. Allah is the same deity as the one worshipped MineralMan Aug 2017 #7
Yahweh/El/ Elohim. Nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #14
Yeezey. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2017 #8
What's the Aramaic word for "Dude?" MineralMan Aug 2017 #9
We should just check contemporaneous records. trotsky Aug 2017 #10
Always a problem, isn't it? MineralMan Aug 2017 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author MineralMan Aug 2017 #12
Yeshua, similar to Joshua. Nt LostOne4Ever Aug 2017 #13
Teacher. guillaumeb Aug 2017 #15
Bearing in mind he's not real, probably nothing... WoonTars Aug 2017 #16

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
2. ...
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:44 PM
Aug 2017

English form of ?????? (Iesous), which was the Greek form of the Aramaic name יֵשׁוּעַ (Yeshu'a). Yeshu'a is itself a contracted form of Yehoshu'a (see JOSHUA). Yeshua ben Yoseph, better known as Jesus Christ, was the central figure of the New Testament and the source of the Christian religion.

Behind the Name: Meaning, origin and history of the name Jesus
https://www.behindthename.com/name/jesus

Igel

(35,317 posts)
17. Put the ' at the end.
Sun Aug 27, 2017, 10:30 PM
Aug 2017

It's written יֵשׁוּעַ but the hataph (I think it's called) under the ayin is a sound of convenience: Used to be yeshu' but the ' (a pharyngeal, originally) would have produced enough of a vowel-like sound to be interpreted as an "a". It's more Aramaic than "contracted."

You still hear the same kind of vocoid in formal Arabic in front of their pharyngeal 'ain when it's syllable final.

Same for Yehoshua'. It ends with a consonant, but by 2nd Temple times it was probably weakened and by the time of the Tannaim might have already been just a glottal stop. Still, a glottal stop is a consonant in Hebrew and Aramaic. (Not so much in English.)

TexasProgresive

(12,157 posts)
3. I go with Yeshua but could've been Ἰησοῦς in the Lingua Franca of the day.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 01:55 PM
Aug 2017
The name Jesus came from the Aramaic name "Yeshua", from Hebrew Yah-shua, meaning "God is salvation (or deliverance)" in English, and was a popular name of the time.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

The English name Jesus derives from the Late Latin name Iesus, which transliterates the Koine Greek name Ἰ???ῦ? Iēsoûs.

In the Septuagint and other Greek-language Jewish texts, such as the writings of Josephus and Philo of Alexandria, Ἰ???ῦ? Iēsoûs is the standard Koine Greek form used to translate both of the Hebrew names: Yehoshua and Yeshua. Greek Ἰ???ῦ? or Iēsoûs is also used to represent the name of Joshua son of Nun in the New Testament passages Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8. (It was even used in the Septuagint to translate the name Hoshea in one of the three verses where this referred to Joshua the son of Nun—Deut. 32:44.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshua

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
5. Which one? There were so many, and still are, apparently.
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:30 PM
Aug 2017

Heck, we don't even use the same words today, depending on what language we speak and what religion we follow, if any. Deo, Deus, Dieu, Gott, God, Bog, Jahweh, Jehovah...Many names for more or less the same deity, and that's just a start.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Same dude. Allah is the same deity as the one worshipped
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 02:45 PM
Aug 2017

by Jews and Christians. We often forget that. Just different prophets, etc.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
11. Always a problem, isn't it?
Wed Aug 23, 2017, 03:16 PM
Aug 2017

No actual eye-witness accounts, which is sort of surprising, really, except that maybe there wasn't a contemporaneous sense that anything important had happened. It's not like there weren't other Messiah characters around at the time.

The actual survival and ultimate global spread of Christianity is pretty amazing, actually, but I have a theory about that, which I will soon post as it's own OP for discussion.

Response to MineralMan (Original post)

WoonTars

(694 posts)
16. Bearing in mind he's not real, probably nothing...
Thu Aug 24, 2017, 02:34 PM
Aug 2017

...but for the sake of argument perhaps he called himself 'Dude', or 'The Duder'...

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