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Related: About this forumPope Francis Is Meeting With Donald Trump, But They May Not Get Along
BY JULIA GLUM ON 5/4/17 AT 3:13 PM
The Vatican confirmed Thursday that President Donald Trump will meet with Pope Francis later this month, marking the latest event in their short-but-rocky relationship.
After recently claiming that Trump had not officially asked for an audience with the Roman Catholic leader on his upcoming trip to Italy, the Vatican said the duo would meet May 24 at 8:30 a.m. local time, according to the National Catholic Register. Press secretary Sean Spicer has insisted Trump "would be honored to have an audience with his holiness," but how the encounter will actually go remains unclear, given their past.
Ahead of the meeting, check out how their previous encounters have gone:
The saga kicked off in February 2013, when Trump, then just a tycoon, criticized Pope Benedict XVI for his decision to step down. "The Pope should not have resignedhe should have lived it out," Trump tweeted. "It hurts him, it hurts the church."
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-pope-francis-history-controversy-594679
no_hypocrisy
(46,182 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Volstagg
(233 posts)There are other areas where Trump is to the left of the Pope.
rug
(82,333 posts)trump is not a progressive in any sense of the word. He is a sheer opportunist on every political issue.
Volstagg
(233 posts)That might hurt, but it's the clear position of each.
rug
(82,333 posts)He has the power and is using it.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/05/04/presidential-executive-order-promoting-free-speech-and-religious-liberty
Are you actually arguing trump is less a scumbag than the pope?
Volstagg
(233 posts)Compare:
1. Same-sex marriage is a diabolical effort of the Father of Lies to destroy Gods plan.
2. These cases have gone to the Supreme Court. Theyve been settled. And Im Im fine with that.
Now, the new Executive Order is clearly Pence's baby and is likely unconstitutional. Additionally, it does nothing to make gay marriage illegal. It is shitty and supports bigotry. I get that. But even Trump isn't trying to overturn Obergefell. The Pope on the other hand....
rug
(82,333 posts)trump is a horror and a danger throughout his narcissisistic being. The same cannot be said of Francis. You can easily disagree and oppose him on any number of issues without blindly yapping at him every time he speaks. Objectively, he is a force for good overall.
Unless, of course, your paramount single issue is rank antitheism, which is a pretty fucked up position all by itself.
Your restatement of their respective positions is dangerously inaccurate and placec you dangerously close to defending trump on his position on civil same sex marriage. It is stunning you state it the day after he openly supports a species of "religious freedom" that can multiply the Kim Davis bacteria across every county in this country. You may be ""fine with that" but I'm not. I can only imagine your opinion of trump's muslim ban. Because . . . . religion!
Volstagg
(233 posts)Not to mention defecting issues.
But, I am in no way a Trump supporter. Additionally, I have no desire to support the current Pope. In any stretch. Sure, he seems to have a good attitude toward the poor, but are you seriously standing behind a guy/institution that is overtly anti-woman, anti-gay, has protected pedophiles and sent them to new places to abuse again, and a host of other very anti-progressive stances? Yeah. Trumps a dick. So is the Pope.
You seem pretty eager to call tag something with antitheism just because they point out the RCC is not progressive and the Pope isn't awesome. Why are you so eager to protect that anti-progressive organization? I think what Trump is doing is horrible. I have just pointed out that he is to the left of the Pope on some issues. Some issues he isn't. That doesn't change the fact that Trump is anti-progressive. Also doesn't change the fact that the Pope is also anti-progressive.
Oh, and the Muslim ban was fucking ridiculous.
rug
(82,333 posts)Here's an example:
There's no "just because" about it. It is pretty clear from your posts what your position on religion is - it ain't "protheism". We can clear it up right now. I'll take your answer at your word - unless later evidence leads to another conclusion. Is this your view or not?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitheism
Your answer will save a lot of time. You've already misstated my opinion. Now you can state your own.