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After Syrian Gas Attack, Pope Francis Calls on World Leaders: End This Tragedy
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Pope Francis condemned the suspected chemical weapons attack that killed over 100 people in Syria and renewed his call for an urgent political solution to end the war.......
In 2016 the Catholic Church contributed $200 million in humanitarian aid to 4.6 million people in Syria and the surrounding region, Gallagher said.
In 2016 the Catholic Church contributed $200 million in humanitarian aid to 4.6 million people in Syria and the surrounding region, Gallagher said.
https://sojo.net/articles/after-syrian-gas-attack-pope-francis-calls-world-leaders-end-tragedy
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Pope's Shocking Hitler Youth Comparison
News emerged last week that Pope Francis has strongly criticized modern theories of gender, comparing them to the educational policies of Hitler and the destructive possibilities of the nuclear arms race.
In an interview included in a new book by Andrea Tornielli and Giacomo Galeazzi, Pope Francis: This Economy Kills, and released in part in the Italian daily La Stampa, Francis compared gender theory to nuclear arms: “Let’s think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. … Let’s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.”
In using the term “gender theory,” Francis is denouncing the academic perspective that sees gender identities as a spectrum rather than as binaries. Gender theorists argue that the way people identify themselves is the result of social and cultural constructions of gender.
This has important ramifications for how we think about biology and sexuality. While the point may seem academic, its ramifications are not. The recognition that gender exists on a spectrum has provided part of the intellectual foundations for both LGBTQIA advocacy and women’s rights.
In the interview, Francis recalled how a public education minister was given funding for new schools for the poor only on the condition that school textbooks taught gender theory. Francis described this as “ideological colonization” and added that “the same was done by the dictators of the last century. … think of Hitler Youth.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/20/pope-gender-theory-like-nuclear-weapons.html
News emerged last week that Pope Francis has strongly criticized modern theories of gender, comparing them to the educational policies of Hitler and the destructive possibilities of the nuclear arms race.
In an interview included in a new book by Andrea Tornielli and Giacomo Galeazzi, Pope Francis: This Economy Kills, and released in part in the Italian daily La Stampa, Francis compared gender theory to nuclear arms: “Let’s think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. … Let’s think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation.”
In using the term “gender theory,” Francis is denouncing the academic perspective that sees gender identities as a spectrum rather than as binaries. Gender theorists argue that the way people identify themselves is the result of social and cultural constructions of gender.
This has important ramifications for how we think about biology and sexuality. While the point may seem academic, its ramifications are not. The recognition that gender exists on a spectrum has provided part of the intellectual foundations for both LGBTQIA advocacy and women’s rights.
In the interview, Francis recalled how a public education minister was given funding for new schools for the poor only on the condition that school textbooks taught gender theory. Francis described this as “ideological colonization” and added that “the same was done by the dictators of the last century. … think of Hitler Youth.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/20/pope-gender-theory-like-nuclear-weapons.html
The pope also claims children are being allowed to "choose their sex":
Pope Calls Teaching About Gender Identity ‘Ideological Colonization’
While on a trip to Poland last week, Pope Francis met with bishops and shared his views on schools teaching concepts about gender identity and gender expression. Francis called such lessons that students can “choose their gender” a form of “ideological colonization.” Some LGBT advocates aren’t pleased.
According to a transcript of transcript of their private meeting, which was released by the Vatican, the comments came after Bishop Christopher Zadarko asked Francis about refugees. “How can we help them, since they are so numerous? And what can we do to counter fears of an invasion or aggression on their part, which would paralyze society as a whole?” Zadarko asked.
Francis responded to the question by discussing motivations of immigrants and countries that have “integrated” immigrants, before speaking about “ideological colonization.”
“In Europe, America, Latin America, Africa, and in some countries of Asia, there are genuine forms of ideological colonization taking place. And one of these — I will call it clearly by its name — is [the ideology of] ‘gender.’ Today children — children! — are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex,” Francis said. “Why are they teaching this? Because the books are provided by the persons and institutions that give you money. These forms of ideological colonization are also supported by influential countries. And this (is) terrible!”
https://thinkprogress.org/pope-calls-teaching-about-gender-identity-ideological-colonization-e2207eaf5784
While on a trip to Poland last week, Pope Francis met with bishops and shared his views on schools teaching concepts about gender identity and gender expression. Francis called such lessons that students can “choose their gender” a form of “ideological colonization.” Some LGBT advocates aren’t pleased.
According to a transcript of transcript of their private meeting, which was released by the Vatican, the comments came after Bishop Christopher Zadarko asked Francis about refugees. “How can we help them, since they are so numerous? And what can we do to counter fears of an invasion or aggression on their part, which would paralyze society as a whole?” Zadarko asked.
Francis responded to the question by discussing motivations of immigrants and countries that have “integrated” immigrants, before speaking about “ideological colonization.”
“In Europe, America, Latin America, Africa, and in some countries of Asia, there are genuine forms of ideological colonization taking place. And one of these — I will call it clearly by its name — is [the ideology of] ‘gender.’ Today children — children! — are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex,” Francis said. “Why are they teaching this? Because the books are provided by the persons and institutions that give you money. These forms of ideological colonization are also supported by influential countries. And this (is) terrible!”
https://thinkprogress.org/pope-calls-teaching-about-gender-identity-ideological-colonization-e2207eaf5784
Definition of progressive:
a person advocating or implementing social reform or new, liberal ideas.
Congratulations on completing the exercise.
straw man
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument.
Let's review the thread up to this point:
The topic of conversation was whether or not the pope was a voice for change. My fellow atheists disagreed with your characterization because of the pope's homophobia.
You responded with the following straw man:
Feel free to post your examples of perfect ,progressive, non-theists.
That way we can all learn how perfection accomplishes things as we allow the perfect to be the enemy of imperfect humans.
That way we can all learn how perfection accomplishes things as we allow the perfect to be the enemy of imperfect humans.
Straw man tally:
guillameb 1, atheists 0
Later you asked for evidence that he was a homophobe and I obliged by posting two articles.
You responded with the same straw man:
And I am still waiting for those non-theist progressives to be listed.
So that all can carefully scrutinize every position of that non-theist and filter them through our own definition of progressive.
Tearing down is always easier than constructing. So feel free to build a case for progressive non-theists.
So that all can carefully scrutinize every position of that non-theist and filter them through our own definition of progressive.
Tearing down is always easier than constructing. So feel free to build a case for progressive non-theists.
Straw man tally:
guillameb 2, atheists 0
Then you posted the same straw man a third time:
Are you stating that, in your opinion, there are NO
progressive non-theists of note?
progressive non-theists of note?
Straw man tally:
guillameb 3, atheists 0
And again:
And I am still waiting for those non-theist progressives to be listed.
So that all can carefully scrutinize every position of that non-theist and filter them through our own definition of progressive.
Tearing down is always easier than constructing. So feel free to build a case for progressive non-theists.
So that all can carefully scrutinize every position of that non-theist and filter them through our own definition of progressive.
Tearing down is always easier than constructing. So feel free to build a case for progressive non-theists.
Straw man score:
guillameb 4, atheists 0
You do realize that simply accusing your opponents of using the same fallacy doesn't mean they're actually guilty of doing so, right?
So unless you can post evidence of a 'straw man' argument being used by atheists in this thread you're guilty of what I like to refer to as the Pee Wee Herman Fallacy.
So any discussion of the pope's lack of progressive cred doesn't qualify as a straw man.
And I am still waiting here, or on the new post, for any declared non-theists to propose a progressive person. Why do you think that is?
This is the same straw man you've been using all day.
No one here is claiming there are no progressives or that we expect perfection. You made that claim, not us.
Therefore we're not required to defend something we never said.
I'm glad we cleared that up.
You're welcome!
