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Heddi

(18,312 posts)
Sun Mar 5, 2017, 11:43 PM Mar 2017

Some Cardinals Want Pope Francis to Step Down Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/some-ca

http://www.christianpost.com/news/some-cardinals-want-pope-francis-to-step-down-176574/

A group of cardinals who supported Pope Francis now want him to resign for fear that his controversial reforms may cause a schism in the Church. This may prove to be the biggest threat on the sitting pontiff from within the organization.

The cardinals fear of an impending schism that could be "more disastrous" than the Reformation. "Four years after Benedict XVI's renunciation and Bergoglio's arrival on the scene, the situation of the Catholic church has become explosive, perhaps really on the edge of a schism, which could be even more disastrous than Luther's," Socci wrote.

He cited Pope Francis' loose polices on sexual morality, communion for remarried Catholics, and forging friendly relations with other religions that have caused concern not only for traditionalists but for progressives as well. "The cardinals are worried that the church could be shattered as an institution," the report said.

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Some Cardinals Want Pope Francis to Step Down Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/some-ca (Original Post) Heddi Mar 2017 OP
Good !!! Maybe he is lighing a fire under those old farts. :)))) pangaia Mar 2017 #1
He should call them all in Historic NY Mar 2017 #2
Trappist monasteries. okasha Mar 2017 #5
Bunch of scared child predators in robes. RoadhogRidesAgain Mar 2017 #3
There's the proof! hollowdweller Mar 2017 #4
and isn't Bannon involved in some shenanigans... dhill926 Mar 2017 #6
Yes. I came across this article yesterday but didn't want to post it, seeing as now we have some Heddi Mar 2017 #9
Bannon Wants A War And He Will Use Jesus to Get One Heddi Mar 2017 #10
Last year while in Rome, I had many locals tell me safeinOhio Mar 2017 #7
PR stunt as usual. trotsky Mar 2017 #8

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
9. Yes. I came across this article yesterday but didn't want to post it, seeing as now we have some
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:24 PM
Mar 2017

secret unwritten rule that anything posted in the Religion group must not be an article that is more than 18 seconds old

but yes, he opposes the pope
http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/08/514102356/steve-bannon-aligns-with-vatican-hardliners-who-oppose-pope-francis

Steve Bannon Aligns With Vatican Hard-Liners Who Oppose Pope Francis

White House chief strategist Steve Bannon is known to have cultivated ties with far-right parties in Europe, like the National Front in France. He also seems to have forged an alliance with Vatican hard-liners who oppose Pope Francis' less rigid approach to church doctrine. The New York Times reported this week on Bannon's connections at the Vatican.

Before becoming White House chief strategist, Bannon — who is Catholic — was the executive chairman of Breitbart News, which he called a "platform for the alt-right." That's a movement associated with white nationalism.

During a visit to Rome a few years ago, Bannon struck up a friendship with the American Cardinal Raymond Burke, a traditionalist who has emerged as one of Pope Francis' most vocal critics.
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But that's not Bannon's worldview. While most Breitbart reports on the pope have been neutral, headlines about the pope when Bannon was in charge included:

"Seven Ways Pope Francis Slapped Conservatives in the United States"
"A Vatican Expert: Pope Francis a 'Friend of Islam' "
"Pope Francis Slams Capitalism, Death Penalty, Immigration Law; No Real Mention of Abortion, Gay Marriage"
"Pope Francis Threatens Legacy of Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan"
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For example, just last week, mysterious anti-Francis posters cropped up around Rome. The photo showed the pope looking uncharacteristically very grouchy, and the unidentified author — using a Roman street dialect — accused him of acting in an authoritarian manner and showing lack of mercy, despite the fact that Francis has made "Mercy" the unofficial slogan of his papacy.

Heddi

(18,312 posts)
10. Bannon Wants A War And He Will Use Jesus to Get One
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 12:27 PM
Mar 2017
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bannon-trump-the-ultra-conservative-roman-catholic_us_589b6d50e4b02bbb1816c257

Conservative Christians displayed great readiness, in the U.S. 2016 presidential election, to dispense with Jesus for reasons of political expedience. Evangelicals backed the least Christian GOP candidate in the running. Their Trump, a twice-divorced candidate credibly accused of sexual assault and marital rape is a “Christian” with no religious practice, who was ― right up until campaign time ― a life-long proponent of abortion. The Tea Party, Christian Right, Moral Majority and conservative Catholics have a long history of name-checking Jesus at every opportunity. We see through that now. We now know the Sermon on the Mount doesn’t count. We now see that Jesus was a mascot. Steve Bannon, alt-right Catholic, is the embodiment of the ultra-conservative Catholic Church of no Jesus.

How does a thrice-married man manage that “practicing Catholic” thing? Doctrinal prohibitions against receiving Catholic sacraments while divorced and remarried do exist, but they are often negotiable, and wealthy men have always managed to obtain plenary indulgences and annulments. Newt Gingrich obtained a clean slate via Roman Catholic conversion and his extra-marital sex partner (now his third wife) who sings in the choir may wind up as U.S. Embassador to the Vatican. Roman Catholicism does redemption splendidly.
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And the Church Militant is not the only extremist Catholic group with which Steve Bannon has been associated. His friend Thomas Williams was described in a January 10th New York Times piece as the former “face of the conservative Legion of Christ religious order.” Bannon and Williams met while the latter was consulting on Mel Gibson’s film, The Passion of the Christ. (Gibson belongs to another ultra-conservative fringe group.)

Moral theologian Thomas Williams fathered a child in (about) 2005, kept it secret for several years and wound up leaving the priesthood eight years later. Prior to leaving the priesthood, Williams left the Legion of Christ when its founder and “general” Marcel Maciel Dellogado (a close friend of Pope John Paul II) was removed from ministry following a scandal. Pope Benedict XVI removed Maciel from ministry in 2006 when an investigation revealed Maciel’s secret women and children, sexual abuse of children and seminarians, drug use and fiscal impropriety, came to light. One of Maciel’s sons claimed, after Maciel’s death, that his father had sexually abused him. Bannon’s moral theologian friend currently serves as Rome Bureau Chief for Breitbart.

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It’s no accident that Bannon and the “alt-right” are aligning themselves with the ultra-conservative fringe of Roman Catholicism. Bannon wants a war and he will use Jesus to get one. Bannon and Trump will stand in line with Israel, the lunatic Catholic fringe, dishonest moral theologians and Putin ― as well as with any other necessary “strange bedfellows” for the chance to throw Baby Jesus out with the Baptismal water, because when it comes to prejudice, greed and the making of war, Jesus just gets in the way.

safeinOhio

(32,709 posts)
7. Last year while in Rome, I had many locals tell me
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 05:32 AM
Mar 2017

the rich will poison PaPa Frank, you watch, they will kill him.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. PR stunt as usual.
Mon Mar 6, 2017, 10:48 AM
Mar 2017

"Pope Francis' loose polices on sexual morality"
Such as supporting existing church policy on homosexual relationships, extramarital sex, and everything else?

"communion for remarried Catholics"
Under the condition that they not be having sex with their new spouse. Yeah, wild reform there.

"forging friendly relations with other religions"
Frank has done nothing different than his predecessors here. The RCC continues to insist that it is the One True Church and that no salvation can be found outside it.

More PR nonsense, playing both sides, to make Catholics across the board think everything is going to be alright and everyone will get what they want... while nothing changes. Brilliant, really. But that's the kind of turd polishing you get when you hire a FOX News consultant to run your PR division.

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