Pregnant?

[Cartoonist]

There's a Catholic church I drive by that has a sign out front with an image of Jesus and the words: Pregnant? Worried? Need help?

Fucking predators.

[Girard442]

1. Update us when...

...the sign says, "Have kids? Worried about their health care and education? Need help?"

[whathehell]

4. They do that too..

It's called Catholic Charities.

[Dorian Gray]

11. Catholic Charities

does give back to kids, health care, education......

That doesn't take away from the message here, but they do give back to communities in need. More than the Republican right to life wing does.

[whathehell]

2. How so?

They have a right to offer help, even if that help wouldn't include abortion... There's nothing "predatory" in that.

[CurtEastPoint]

3. Agree.

[Cartoonist]

5. Timing

Where were they when they could have counseled contraception?

They were waiting like vultures.

[rug]

6. You're reading way too much into that sign.

What irks you more, the picture of Jesus or the offer of help?

[Cartoonist]

8. I'm OK with Jesus

But spare me their offer of phony help. Didn't Frank just fire someone for distributing condoms? Are they going to give her child support or just a free bowl of soup when she comes around to be lectured at?

[whathehell]

10. You can't be "spared" of the sight of a perfectly legal sign in public..

That's what being out in public means. Get over it.

[whathehell]

9. Lol..

I agree.

[whathehell]

7. "They were waiting like vultures"

Really? Sounds a little paranoid.

The contraceptives coumseling they offer is abstinence and the rythym method. I don't agree with this but that's their belief system. One is free to accept it or not.

[Bretton Garcia]

13. The last major antiabortion terrorist, in Colorado

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.. a Mr. Dear, hit an abortion clinic that had been picketed weekly by the local priest for many years, or even decades.

Dear was "delusional," reports said. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_Springs_Planned_Parenthood_shooting

Intense religious pressure undoubtedly played a role, we suggest. Not only from the Cathic Church. Colorado Springs is the headquarters of the Protestant, radically antiabortion Focus on the Family. And prayer warriors.

"Run Run Rudolph," an early antiabortion terrorist, was also from Colorado.

Here's the Pro-Lifers' spin, on Fr. Carmody. Who had lurked, protested, outside the clinic for 25 years. He was sorry for the problem. That undoubtedly he himself had caused.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/12/02/what-this-catholic-priest-did-after-the-planned-parenthood-shooting-will-shock-some-people/

Father Carmody himself .. and the churches' incendiary rhetoric, were clearly to blame. They had long insisted that the embryo is a fully human person; and that abortion was therefore "murder."

This, in the minds of many, justified stern military violence, to correct it.

Mr. Dear subsequently opened up in the Planned Parenthood Center, with an AK-47. Killing several persons.

[whathehell]

14. Yes and that, of course, is the

equivalent of a sign saying "Pregnant?..We can help"?

Apples and oranges. Have a nice day.

[Bretton Garcia]

21. Antiabortion terrorism: the dark side of the Churches' nice charities.

That's the problem with the churches. Superficially they seem so good. But all that holier-than-thou attitude just hides a deep vanity ... and "hate" for the "world."

All that inevitably breaks out in dark deeds. No matter how many times they officially disavow them.

The "help"with pregnancy typically means insisting the woman has the baby. And after very little help, the helpers ... abandon the mother and her babies to a lifetime of mindless baby-making, and poverty.

Meanwhile? The men are starting religious wars, based on false intel about weapons of mass destruction.

Under the smiling happy face of religious charity, is a giant, dark reality.

[whathehell]

22. That comprises about 0.01 percent of the church, but of

course you'd choose to focus there.

As for your description of how the church helps, a. They cannot "insist" that the mother carries the children to term, because they cannot force anything on anyone, much as you try and infer otherwise. They give advice -- the woman is obviously free to accept or reject it.
B. Your skimpy, detail-free description of what you want us to believe the church does for pregnant women, tells me you've not only never used these services, but never even spoken to anyone, provider or recipient, who has, so stop with the blanket, no-nothing bigotry.

[Bretton Garcia]

23. In the news, a Canadian Mosque was attacked

Many were killed. Just one day after Trump's immigration ban.

We like to think of Christianity as peaceful. But I'd suggest about 50% of the effect of religion historically, has been religious wars.

Regarding pregnancy? For 10 years I debated this issue on EWTN/RN. Typically, counsellors threaten women who want an abortion; telling them they will be automatically excommunicated. Some hint abortion is murdering a child; counsellors attempting to create guilt in the women.

In the latest Texas iteration of this, physicians are forced by the state to give women who want abortions an ultrasound. And physicians are ordered to deliver a speech; noting the "beating heart" of the embryo. Physicians object this is the state, forcing religious/political speech on doctors.

[whathehell]

24. Were the killers Catholics trying to help pregnant women?

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No, didn't think so. Off topic.

Sorry, Breton, but I'm not even mildly interested in having this shopworn old argument with you. Maybe you can get EWTN/RN
Interested again -- I'm not.


P.S. As an "excomminicated" Catholic myself, I can assure you thst excommunication is hardly the stuff of "threats," or nightmares.. It's the consequence of certain acts or omissions , e.g. missing mass for a year, for example, all Catholics learn of early in their religious education. One can very easily be "reinstated" in the church through a simple act of confession, e.g receipt of the sacrament of Penance.

Have a lovely evening.

[Bretton Garcia]

25. Religious helpers historically had executioners right behind them

Behind the priests, was always the Inquisition.

Excommunication was softened around 2009. But Catholic helpers like Dan Patrick, Lt. Gov. (R) Texas, are destroying freedom of speech in Texas. And specifically and especially in the matter of pregnancy counselling /abortion.

[whathehell]

26. Under European monarchs 600 years ago...

As I said, I'm not intererested in this conversation. Good bye and
good luck.

[Bretton Garcia]

27. Likely many current attacks on Muslims are religiously motivated

In the recent murders of muslims in French Catholic Quebec, the most likely suspects would be...

[trotsky]

28. NEW ATHEISTS!!!

Right?!?

[trotsky]

12. "Pregnant? Worried? Need help?"

Because of attitudes toward sex and pregnancy that their church has promoted for centuries? Yeah.

[whathehell]

15. Sure

Because their "attitudes toward sex and pregnancy'" were in stark contrast the non-secular patriarchal world around them. Try again.

[trotsky]

16. Okey doke, clearly you are the expert.

Thanks for proving that religion has nothing to offer humanity - I mean, if it's just going to reflect existing values, what's the point?

[whathehell]

17. I'd hate to usurp your position there, comrade

but I "proved" nothing of the sort, nor did I care to.

All I did was inject some common sense into your latest inappropriate attempt to demonize anything and everything with a religious affiliation.

[trotsky]

18. The "common sense" you claimed to inject...

was that religion doesn't make people any better, that religion will just reflect whatever values and norms are already part of a culture or society.

I'm sorry this makes you angry, but I appreciate the laughs. Feel free to attack me again if it makes you feel better.

[whathehell]

19. Um, no..

Again, your interpretation...I made no broad pronouncements about religion, generally -- That's your department, lol

"I'm sorry this makes you angry'....Lol... Project much?

I''m sure you'd enjoy that, but you'd have to be a lot more incisive and less predictable to achieve that with me...Sorry, Trots, but at this point, you're just boring me. Have a nice day.

[trotsky]

20. Aw, I'm so sorry to have bored you.

But if that's how you need to bow out, so be it. Take care!