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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:59 AM Dec 2016

The Unbearable Whiteness of Secular Studies

BY SIKIVU HUTCHINSON
DECEMBER 26, 2016

I recently submitted a course proposal entitled “Going Godless: Challenging Faith and Religion in Communities of Color” to a School of Religion at a prominent university in California. After many gyrations, it was shot down due to “lack of funding”. The course focuses on the intersectional politics of secularism, atheism and humanism, as well as the work of secularists of color like Anthony Pinn, Mandisa Thomas, Heina Dadabhoy, Juhem Navarro Rivera, Sincere Kirabo, Candace Gorham and the D.C. group Secular Sistahs.

The uptick in Americans identifying as secular Nones has led to the creation of more secular courses, many of which are housed in Religious Studies departments. Despite the much ballyhooed “Rise of the Nones” there is currently only one bonafide Secular Studies department (based at Pitzer College and helmed by secular scholar Phil Zuckerman) in the U.S.

For the most part, Secularism in the American academy is a cobbled together affair, featuring one-off courses dominated by white academics with the book contracts, privilege and ivory tower “cred” to do secular work without worrying about censure or professional ostracism. Although social media bustle with black folks tweeting, blogging and sounding off about embracing atheism; the same handful of white faces preside in the academic industrial complex as “authentic” scholars of the secular, atheist, humanist experience. As a result, scholarship, classes and curricula that capture the lived experiences, politics and world views of secularists of color, especially those of women of color, are still scant to nonexistent. To date, the Humanist Institute is the only organization in the country to feature an online course I developed entitled “Women of Color Beyond Faith”.

Why is it important that secular people of color teach, write and publish book length scholarship, analyses, narratives and fiction on our social history? The hijacking of rock music from the African American composers and musicians who originated the genre is a case in point. African American scholar/historians like Maureen Mahon and Jeffrey Othello are among the few in the white male dominated field of rock and roll musicology and music history. This dearth, combined with the whitewashing of rock by white male critics, musicians and the music industry, has ironically marked the genre as “in-authentically” black.

https://www.laprogressive.com/black-secular-studies/

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The Unbearable Whiteness of Secular Studies (Original Post) rug Dec 2016 OP
Cultural difference. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #1
A BMW, naturally. rug Dec 2016 #2
That's right. I like air-cooled motorcycles and i'm not impressed by any american models. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #3
So what? The article's not about you. It's about white privilege. rug Dec 2016 #5
I got it used for 4,000$ and it's my primary commuter when I'm not in the carpool. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #7
"Jealous much"? Lol! rug Dec 2016 #8
The article seems to misidentify a 'dearth' of secular POC in secular studies as AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #9
Frederick Douglass was not an atheist rug Dec 2016 #11
Perhaps there is room for secular studies for POC in american history after all. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #15
If you think escaping slavery in some way makes him a pioneer of secularism, you need to read. rug Dec 2016 #17
No, that's not what I think. One of us needs to read though. That's for sure. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #20
I did. rug Dec 2016 #21
Yet you retained nothing, apparently. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #24
You called him "a bedrock component of African American secularism". rug Dec 2016 #25
http://www.bing.lmgtfy.com/?qFrederic+Douglass+Secularism AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #27
28. rug Dec 2016 #29
41 AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #42
This actually goes deeper into it. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #10
. hrmjustin Dec 2016 #39
Was secularism hijacked edhopper Dec 2016 #4
The question is not hijacking; it's excluding. rug Dec 2016 #6
Are people of color being excluded edhopper Dec 2016 #12
From the article, it's pretty clear they are being excluded. rug Dec 2016 #13
Fromm the article edhopper Dec 2016 #14
Sikivu Hutchinson is well-respected and quite accomplished. rug Dec 2016 #18
Yet you offhandedly marginalize Frederick Douglass's contribution to secularism(TM). AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #22
I repeat: what does escaping slavery have to do with secularism? rug Dec 2016 #23
In the context of his time, you might be surprised. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #26
I don't know what's worse. rug Dec 2016 #28
Bing is the default search engine on my Kindle tablet. I bet that is how he ended up suing it, too-- tblue37 Dec 2016 #30
That makes sense. rug Dec 2016 #31
That's actually not the case here. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #33
MISSED AGAIN AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #32
You don't have to resort to CAPS. Preferring Bing is not the worst thing in the world. rug Dec 2016 #34
You brought it up and were factually incorrect in doing so. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #35
I brought it up because you posted it. rug Dec 2016 #36
It's not bing AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #37
Whatever the search was, I've scanned some of those links. rug Dec 2016 #38
It's not 'whatever', it's Let Me Google That For You. AtheistCrusader Dec 2016 #41
"Secular Sudies" is a tiny, tiny, TINY field Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #16
You must have missed the $2.2 million endowment to the University of Miami. rug Dec 2016 #19
Thanks. Maybe I'll apply for that one faculty position Bretton Garcia Dec 2016 #40

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. Cultural difference.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 01:20 PM
Dec 2016

This is religion.


This is atheism.


One has more baggage to study*. Atheism is an intensely personal decision and doesn't carry a lot along with it. There's humanism and various other larger piles of things to study, and if you are interested in atheists throughout history, there's some delving to do there, but it's not deep and most of them get covered in mainstream history anyway. Bayard Rustin, W. E. B. DuBois, Gwendolyn Brooks, Frederick Douglas, Dr. Carter G. Woodson, Zora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes. All people of color who happened to be atheists, but their intertwining with history and culture is much deeper and more broad than the simple fact they didn't believe in god(s).

One can simply stand there and think 'do I believe in god?' and answer 'nope' and move on with their life. It's that simple. Not so simple for someone who chooses catholicism. There's some baggage, some rituals, some dogma and doctrine to digest, confirmation, etc.

You know everything you need to be an atheist, the moment you decide you don't believe in god(s). There's nothing more to it.

*There are some religions with LESS baggage than others, UU's, deists, agnostic theists of all stripes, etc.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
3. That's right. I like air-cooled motorcycles and i'm not impressed by any american models.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 03:56 PM
Dec 2016

So what.

Mine's over 100k miles, runs like a champ.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
7. I got it used for 4,000$ and it's my primary commuter when I'm not in the carpool.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:02 PM
Dec 2016

Jealous much? it's a bike with an engine design I am familiar with maintaining. Unlike most bikes, it has an alternator. It's basically a two-cylinder vintage 70's VW bug motor. Stone simple and cheap to maintain.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. The article seems to misidentify a 'dearth' of secular POC in secular studies as
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:16 PM
Dec 2016

a lack of depth in secular studies.
it's not. Secular studies itself is shallow. There's not much to talk about at all.

I also take issue with this irredeemable nonsense:

When it comes to secularism, even when secular people of color appear in academic spaces, the range of lived experience that they are allowed to represent is limited and reductive. The standard caricature that bubbles up into mainstream consciousness is one of smug atheist blacks and Latinos condemning God and Tyler Perry-esque evangelicalism among folk of color.


That is patently absurd. An example I frequently give (and gave upthread) of Frederick Douglass, absolutely defies this 'caricature'. I don't know what books or courses the author actually experienced, but all I've seen of Mr. Douglass can be described as 'hero worship' in secular circles. It's bordering on the verge of a cult of personality. (Which may not be an entirely good thing) Smug, no. Defiant? Hell to the yes.

But Douglass is an icon and a cornerstone of American History from any viewing angle, and I would not expect too terribly deep a treatment of him in a secular studies course, because as I said earlier, his impact was deep and wide in cultural significance, far beyond his lack of faith in god(s).

Ok. Curious now what you 'know' about my hair then.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. Frederick Douglass was not an atheist
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:25 PM
Dec 2016
http://www.pbs.org/thisfarbyfaith/people/frederick_douglass.html

The people she refers to in her article are. Are you dismissing their experiences in American secular circles?

To answer your question, you've described yourself as "follicly challenged".

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
15. Perhaps there is room for secular studies for POC in american history after all.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:07 PM
Dec 2016

Since you are apparently not aware.

Suggested reading: Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave: Written by Himself.

Mr. Douglass is very much a bedrock component of African American secularism. You'll note I did not call him an Atheist. Nice try though.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
20. No, that's not what I think. One of us needs to read though. That's for sure.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:37 PM
Dec 2016

I'm not going to spoil the content of that book, you might retain it better to discover it yourself.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
24. Yet you retained nothing, apparently.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Dec 2016

I repeat; I did not call him an atheist.


Stephen Hawking is not a subatomic particle, but he has contributed mightily to our understanding of subatomic physics. So too, has Douglass contributed to the topic of African American secularism.

Mightily.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
25. You called him "a bedrock component of African American secularism".
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:45 PM
Dec 2016

Of all the descriptors of this great man and his astounding life, I don't see that.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
10. This actually goes deeper into it.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:20 PM
Dec 2016
Rejecting religion becomes an end in and of itself, and not merely symbolic of a more politicized belief system based on social justice, ethics, black liberation, black feminism and serving black communities within the context of heightened anti-black state violence, segregation and misogynoir.


I would like to think that secularism leads directly into a belief system based on social justice, for instance. (As she apparently expects to see)

It does not. Secularism is just a starting place. Building a construct of social justice is the journey beyond that starting point. In fact, it does not necessarily follow 'secularism' at all. It can. It is my hope that it does. But one does not irrevocably lead to the other.

It just has fewer obstacles to getting there, than some religions.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
12. Are people of color being excluded
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:28 PM
Dec 2016

or are they interested in other areas.

Is secular studies "more white" than many other areas of academia?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
13. From the article, it's pretty clear they are being excluded.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 04:31 PM
Dec 2016

"Tu quoque" is an excuse, not a defense for this.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
14. Fromm the article
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 05:16 PM
Dec 2016

Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:02 PM - Edit history (1)

I see the writer is outraged at white America and everything about it. She throws around buzzwords like Academic Industrial Complex and lily white.

Not that there isn't enough around to be outraged at.

But I am sure this article pleases those who need to find fault with secularism.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
18. Sikivu Hutchinson is well-respected and quite accomplished.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:16 PM
Dec 2016

It would be, kindly, a mistake to marginalize her or her works.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
22. Yet you offhandedly marginalize Frederick Douglass's contribution to secularism(TM).
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:40 PM
Dec 2016

Specifically within the African American audience.
Without any knowledge of WHAT he contributed.

Fascinating.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
26. In the context of his time, you might be surprised.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:48 PM
Dec 2016

Is it so hard to either google 'Frederic Douglass Secularism', or just read the book I referenced and answer it?

This isn't difficult.

http://www.bing.lmgtfy.com/?q=Frederic+Douglass+Secularism

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
28. I don't know what's worse.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Dec 2016

Getting a list of links instead of an answer or knowing that you use Bing.

tblue37

(65,403 posts)
30. Bing is the default search engine on my Kindle tablet. I bet that is how he ended up suing it, too--
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Dec 2016

because he is using a device that has Bing as the default.

It takes extra typing and clicks to get to Google, and I can't type (never learned how), besides which fact, the little virtual keyboard on a 7" tablet is hard for my clumsy old finger to hit precisely.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
34. You don't have to resort to CAPS. Preferring Bing is not the worst thing in the world.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 08:06 PM
Dec 2016

Besides, Bing and Google are both corporate subsidiaries.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
38. Whatever the search was, I've scanned some of those links.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

Many of them remind me of the sites that claim Jesus Christ was a socialist, or an anarchist, or a revolutionary, or whatever the ideology of the site seeks. And none of them bear any relevance to what Hutchinson's observed 150 years later.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
41. It's not 'whatever', it's Let Me Google That For You.
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 12:38 PM
Dec 2016

They own the domain and the landing site. Likely they used to have separate landing pages (the 'bing' component of the URL you saw) for each major search engine. They changed the page to a user-configurable search for all the major search engines, and to prevent dead links, stuck it in an IFrame. so that any user landing on any of their old page links gets the full user experience. For whatever reason, the bing landing page was higher in the search ranking than the others, and that's where I ended up. But I selected google for the search, and it is not bing's page/site/domain.


To get back to the main issue, I see from your analogy that you are still fixated on some kind of strawman you've maybe unknowingly constructed of my argument. I repeat; I am not saying Douglass was an atheist or a secularist. You 'objected' that Douglass "wasn't an atheist" when I wasn't claiming he was. Now your 'jesus' analogy talks about people attributing socialism or other attributes to him, personally, when that isn't the scant historical narrative at all.

Please stop doing that. I did nothing of the kind.

In Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave: Written by Himself., you will, if you can be bothered to read it, find Douglass lays out a case for African American secularism as a viable social option. He never claims to be secular/atheist himself. That doesn't mean he can't possibly have laid the groundwork for such a scenario. He did, and he did it well, spending much of the book attacking pro-slavery christians and their ideals. Being returned to a christian slave master was his personal worst-case scenario.

My point with the web search was merely to show that I am hardly alone in picking up on that. There are secular humanist orgs founded in his memory, for his freethinking ways, even though he was a christian himself.

Pursuing that search, one can find an interview with Sikivu discussing this:

This hypocrisy is exemplified by the U.S.’ unrelenting demonization of non-Western non-Christian nations as moral cesspits. African slaves stepping into the courtroom to protest their enslavement invoking both the framers’ secular ideal of individual liberty and Christian morality: black soldiers fighting in the American Revolutionary War of liberation from “bondage” despite British promises of black emancipation: Frederick Douglass’ attacking the evils of Christian slavocracy in his epic “What, to the Slave, is the Fourth of July?” speech: Harriet Jacobs protesting the institutionalization of rape as a cornerstone of the plantation economy—all of these acts of resistance shaped American national identity. To paraphrase Toni Morrison, American freedom couldn’t have existed without black slavery.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
16. "Secular Sudies" is a tiny, tiny, TINY field
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 06:56 PM
Dec 2016

It's not surprising there is no funding. No one has heard of it except a few religion schools.

It's so unique, there aren't enough courses to usefully generalize.

It would be nice to have some classes taught with an emphasis on minorities.

In the meantume? We're talking about probably 1/40,000 of academic classes.

Why would someone make a huge issue about thus, Rug?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
19. You must have missed the $2.2 million endowment to the University of Miami.
Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:20 PM
Dec 2016
http://news.miami.edu/stories/2016/05/gift-establishes-chair-in-atheism-humanism-and-secular-ethics.html

Oh, look who's at the link, a "white academic with the book contracts, privilege and ivory tower 'cred'”.

I don't see anyone making a "huge issue" over this but I see yeomen flailing to deny it.

Bretton Garcia

(970 posts)
40. Thanks. Maybe I'll apply for that one faculty position
Thu Dec 29, 2016, 02:22 AM
Dec 2016

After I publish a few books.

By the way? The vast majority of the faculty at U Miami, 43%, is Hispanic. Only 24% is white.

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