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Related: About this forumThe Unbearable Whiteness of Secular Studies
BY SIKIVU HUTCHINSON
DECEMBER 26, 2016
I recently submitted a course proposal entitled Going Godless: Challenging Faith and Religion in Communities of Color to a School of Religion at a prominent university in California. After many gyrations, it was shot down due to lack of funding. The course focuses on the intersectional politics of secularism, atheism and humanism, as well as the work of secularists of color like Anthony Pinn, Mandisa Thomas, Heina Dadabhoy, Juhem Navarro Rivera, Sincere Kirabo, Candace Gorham and the D.C. group Secular Sistahs.
The uptick in Americans identifying as secular Nones has led to the creation of more secular courses, many of which are housed in Religious Studies departments. Despite the much ballyhooed Rise of the Nones there is currently only one bonafide Secular Studies department (based at Pitzer College and helmed by secular scholar Phil Zuckerman) in the U.S.
For the most part, Secularism in the American academy is a cobbled together affair, featuring one-off courses dominated by white academics with the book contracts, privilege and ivory tower cred to do secular work without worrying about censure or professional ostracism. Although social media bustle with black folks tweeting, blogging and sounding off about embracing atheism; the same handful of white faces preside in the academic industrial complex as authentic scholars of the secular, atheist, humanist experience. As a result, scholarship, classes and curricula that capture the lived experiences, politics and world views of secularists of color, especially those of women of color, are still scant to nonexistent. To date, the Humanist Institute is the only organization in the country to feature an online course I developed entitled Women of Color Beyond Faith.
Why is it important that secular people of color teach, write and publish book length scholarship, analyses, narratives and fiction on our social history? The hijacking of rock music from the African American composers and musicians who originated the genre is a case in point. African American scholar/historians like Maureen Mahon and Jeffrey Othello are among the few in the white male dominated field of rock and roll musicology and music history. This dearth, combined with the whitewashing of rock by white male critics, musicians and the music industry, has ironically marked the genre as in-authentically black.
https://www.laprogressive.com/black-secular-studies/
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)This is religion.
This is atheism.
One has more baggage to study*. Atheism is an intensely personal decision and doesn't carry a lot along with it. There's humanism and various other larger piles of things to study, and if you are interested in atheists throughout history, there's some delving to do there, but it's not deep and most of them get covered in mainstream history anyway. Bayard Rustin, W. E. B. DuBois, Gwendolyn Brooks, Frederick Douglas, Dr. Carter G. Woodson, Zora Neale Hurston, Langston Hughes. All people of color who happened to be atheists, but their intertwining with history and culture is much deeper and more broad than the simple fact they didn't believe in god(s).
One can simply stand there and think 'do I believe in god?' and answer 'nope' and move on with their life. It's that simple. Not so simple for someone who chooses catholicism. There's some baggage, some rituals, some dogma and doctrine to digest, confirmation, etc.
You know everything you need to be an atheist, the moment you decide you don't believe in god(s). There's nothing more to it.
*There are some religions with LESS baggage than others, UU's, deists, agnostic theists of all stripes, etc.
rug
(82,333 posts)QED.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)So what.
Mine's over 100k miles, runs like a champ.
rug
(82,333 posts)Enjoy your BMW.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Jealous much? it's a bike with an engine design I am familiar with maintaining. Unlike most bikes, it has an alternator. It's basically a two-cylinder vintage 70's VW bug motor. Stone simple and cheap to maintain.
rug
(82,333 posts)No, I have all my hair.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)a lack of depth in secular studies.
it's not. Secular studies itself is shallow. There's not much to talk about at all.
I also take issue with this irredeemable nonsense:
That is patently absurd. An example I frequently give (and gave upthread) of Frederick Douglass, absolutely defies this 'caricature'. I don't know what books or courses the author actually experienced, but all I've seen of Mr. Douglass can be described as 'hero worship' in secular circles. It's bordering on the verge of a cult of personality. (Which may not be an entirely good thing) Smug, no. Defiant? Hell to the yes.
But Douglass is an icon and a cornerstone of American History from any viewing angle, and I would not expect too terribly deep a treatment of him in a secular studies course, because as I said earlier, his impact was deep and wide in cultural significance, far beyond his lack of faith in god(s).
Ok. Curious now what you 'know' about my hair then.
rug
(82,333 posts)The people she refers to in her article are. Are you dismissing their experiences in American secular circles?
To answer your question, you've described yourself as "follicly challenged".
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Since you are apparently not aware.
Suggested reading: Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave: Written by Himself.
Mr. Douglass is very much a bedrock component of African American secularism. You'll note I did not call him an Atheist. Nice try though.
rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I'm not going to spoil the content of that book, you might retain it better to discover it yourself.
rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I repeat; I did not call him an atheist.
Stephen Hawking is not a subatomic particle, but he has contributed mightily to our understanding of subatomic physics. So too, has Douglass contributed to the topic of African American secularism.
Mightily.
rug
(82,333 posts)Of all the descriptors of this great man and his astounding life, I don't see that.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I would like to think that secularism leads directly into a belief system based on social justice, for instance. (As she apparently expects to see)
It does not. Secularism is just a starting place. Building a construct of social justice is the journey beyond that starting point. In fact, it does not necessarily follow 'secularism' at all. It can. It is my hope that it does. But one does not irrevocably lead to the other.
It just has fewer obstacles to getting there, than some religions.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)from people of color?
That whole analogy is so skewed and inane.
rug
(82,333 posts)edhopper
(33,587 posts)or are they interested in other areas.
Is secular studies "more white" than many other areas of academia?
rug
(82,333 posts)"Tu quoque" is an excuse, not a defense for this.
edhopper
(33,587 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 28, 2016, 07:02 PM - Edit history (1)
I see the writer is outraged at white America and everything about it. She throws around buzzwords like Academic Industrial Complex and lily white.
Not that there isn't enough around to be outraged at.
But I am sure this article pleases those who need to find fault with secularism.
rug
(82,333 posts)It would be, kindly, a mistake to marginalize her or her works.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Specifically within the African American audience.
Without any knowledge of WHAT he contributed.
Fascinating.
rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Is it so hard to either google 'Frederic Douglass Secularism', or just read the book I referenced and answer it?
This isn't difficult.
http://www.bing.lmgtfy.com/?q=Frederic+Douglass+Secularism
rug
(82,333 posts)Getting a list of links instead of an answer or knowing that you use Bing.
tblue37
(65,403 posts)because he is using a device that has Bing as the default.
It takes extra typing and clicks to get to Google, and I can't type (never learned how), besides which fact, the little virtual keyboard on a 7" tablet is hard for my clumsy old finger to hit precisely.
rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)That's got to get old.
Try clicking on the link.
rug
(82,333 posts)Besides, Bing and Google are both corporate subsidiaries.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Many of them remind me of the sites that claim Jesus Christ was a socialist, or an anarchist, or a revolutionary, or whatever the ideology of the site seeks. And none of them bear any relevance to what Hutchinson's observed 150 years later.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)They own the domain and the landing site. Likely they used to have separate landing pages (the 'bing' component of the URL you saw) for each major search engine. They changed the page to a user-configurable search for all the major search engines, and to prevent dead links, stuck it in an IFrame. so that any user landing on any of their old page links gets the full user experience. For whatever reason, the bing landing page was higher in the search ranking than the others, and that's where I ended up. But I selected google for the search, and it is not bing's page/site/domain.
To get back to the main issue, I see from your analogy that you are still fixated on some kind of strawman you've maybe unknowingly constructed of my argument. I repeat; I am not saying Douglass was an atheist or a secularist. You 'objected' that Douglass "wasn't an atheist" when I wasn't claiming he was. Now your 'jesus' analogy talks about people attributing socialism or other attributes to him, personally, when that isn't the scant historical narrative at all.
Please stop doing that. I did nothing of the kind.
In Narrative of the Life of Frederick Douglass, an American Slave: Written by Himself., you will, if you can be bothered to read it, find Douglass lays out a case for African American secularism as a viable social option. He never claims to be secular/atheist himself. That doesn't mean he can't possibly have laid the groundwork for such a scenario. He did, and he did it well, spending much of the book attacking pro-slavery christians and their ideals. Being returned to a christian slave master was his personal worst-case scenario.
My point with the web search was merely to show that I am hardly alone in picking up on that. There are secular humanist orgs founded in his memory, for his freethinking ways, even though he was a christian himself.
Pursuing that search, one can find an interview with Sikivu discussing this:
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)It's not surprising there is no funding. No one has heard of it except a few religion schools.
It's so unique, there aren't enough courses to usefully generalize.
It would be nice to have some classes taught with an emphasis on minorities.
In the meantume? We're talking about probably 1/40,000 of academic classes.
Why would someone make a huge issue about thus, Rug?
rug
(82,333 posts)Oh, look who's at the link, a "white academic with the book contracts, privilege and ivory tower 'cred'.
I don't see anyone making a "huge issue" over this but I see yeomen flailing to deny it.
Bretton Garcia
(970 posts)After I publish a few books.
By the way? The vast majority of the faculty at U Miami, 43%, is Hispanic. Only 24% is white.