Catholic Church says civil unions in Italy is ‘creeping fascism’

[trotsky]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/12/catholic-church-says-civil-unions-in-italy-is-creeping-fascism/

Yesterday, Italy’s Parliament finally passed a bill creating same-sex civil unions, in the face of strong opposition from the powerful Catholic church and rebellions from Catholic lawmakers.

The law – which came about after the European Court of Human Rights upheld complaints of discrimination over the country’s lack of recognition for same-sex couples – was passed by votes of 369-193 and 372-51 – as Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi called a confidence vote in himself to force the issue through.

Italy was the last country in Western Europe with no recognition for same-sex partnerships. The change only passed after Renzi made concessions, ditching proposals for same-sex adoption rights that were opposed by the church. The unions are also strictly civil – and same-sex religious unions remain banned, even for pro-LGBT denominations.

However, despite the government going out of its way to appease the Catholic Church, the Catholic Church in Italy has attacked the decision.

[whatthehey]

1. Ermm..ok

It's always been a mainstay of fascism to extend equal rights to maligned minorities. Who can forget Hitler's horrific support of miscegenation and Mussolini's infamous push for slavery reparations?

[mr blur]

2. The RCC - marching proudly into the 13th Century. nt

[rug]

3. There was no legal same sex marriage anywhere on earth until April 1, 2001.

In Holland.

In the 21st century.

[Albertoo]

8. Wrong

Same-sex marital practices and rituals were recognized in Mesopotamia

Among the Romans, there were instances of same-sex marriages being performed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_same-sex_unions

[rug]

9. How could I forget the Mesopotamians?

Barring that, it's 15 years old.

[Albertoo]

10. You also forget China and the Romans, but they are only details, I suppose

[rug]

11. Current political issues are rarely controlled by events more than a millenium old.

[Albertoo]

12. REALLY?? current events are not polluted by religions invented more than a millenium ago?

That is a second wrong statement.

[rug]

13. If you're talking about same sex marriage, it's the entire civil world up until 15 years ago.

You ma not know what the word wrong means.

[Albertoo]

14. Your statement in post #3 is just plain false.

There was no legal same sex marriage anywhere on earth until April 1, 2001.
In Holland.
In the 21st century.

is a false statement. Which pretty much makes it wrong.

It is the abrahamic religions which pushed same sex unions out of the scene. Same sex unions were performed by village elders in India (pre Raj), and the names of Pan Zhang & Wang Zhongxian were famous in China with no condemnation attached. Not to mention the official same sex marriages in Mesopotamia, Egypt, Rome, ..

Your statement was false, probably because you espouse religion so much you refuse to see how oppressive it has been for centuries (and remain oppressive, like Catholicism in Africa and Islam pretty much everywhere).

Seeing the Italian Catholic hierarchy call same sex civil partnerships fascism was hilarious,
especially in light of the fact the Roman Catholic Church was for a long time in bed with Mussolini.

[rug]

15. Give the date of the last legal same sex marriage anywhere in the world prior to April 1, 2001.

[Albertoo]

16. That is a really silly question

How could anyone pretend to know the date of all same sex marriages prior to April 1, 2001?

The fact is there were many same sex marriages in lots of places and times.

So your statement in post #3 was false, a fact you appear to have difficulty acknowledging.

[rug]

17. Youre' making a sillier point, to use the term loosely.

[Albertoo]

18. Wrong again

My point was simple: your statement in post #3 was false, and I proved it.

[rug]

19. Lol, sure you did.

[Albertoo]

20. Well, I gave evidence, something religion rarely uses to justify its pipe dreams.

[rug]

21. Give me some examples of that evidence religion uses.

[Albertoo]

22. Are you saying you are unfamiliar with Christian or Muslim apologetics?

[rug]

23. I'm saying I'm unfamiliar with what's in your mind.

You said religion uses evidence, albeit "rarely".

Well, what is that evidence?

[Albertoo]

24. The evidence religious apologists purport to present

[rug]

25. You didn't say purport.

And yo didn't say what it is.

[Albertoo]

27. You are far down Alice's spiral staircase, deep in the rabbit's hole

You falsely claimed same sex marriages are a recent invention.
This probably based on your feeling religions must have been right in some measure.

Then you ask obviously unanswerable questions about dates: what's your point?
Then "You didn't say purport. And yo didn't say what it is.": what's your point?
Generally speaking, you post threads of religious trivia: what's your point?

[rug]

28. Here, I;ll help you:

Well, I gave evidence, something religion rarely uses to justify its pipe dreams

What are you dancing awat from?

[cleanhippie]

26. No, he's saying that he's painting himself in a corner and is grasping for a way out of the room.

Notice the deflection and change of subject. Anything to shift attention away.

[rug]

29. Oh, look! It's the phony interpreter!

[cleanhippie]

30. Hey look over there! Is that Elvis?

[rug]

31. Nice to see you bringing absolutely nothing to a thread.

Again.

[Albertoo]

32. What did you bring to this thread, apart from a false statement?

[rug]

33. A date and and a fact.

Two things that get in the way of your prejudices.

And you still have not answered what evidence religion uses.

Talk abot being stuck in a corner.

[Albertoo]

34. And I proved your claimed fact and date wrong

And I told you religious apologists claim to present evidence for religion.

Deny this and you will invite more ridicule.

[Lordquinton]

4. Why is the RCC so bigoted against the LGBTQIA community?

Some of it's supporters are fine folks who do support the community, but they still enable the mother church which has that bigotry written in stone.

[Act_of_Reparation]

5. Well, if anyone knows anything about fascism, it's the RCC.

And the sad trombone goes womp, womp, womp.

[trotsky]

6. Well *THAT'S* not fascism, that's just good business relations right there!

Duh!

[Act_of_Reparation]

7. Mussolini was an Atheist. Working side-by-side with the Pope.

Guess common ground ain't all it's cracked up to be.