'Jesus came along with the dark angels’: Mother charged with suffocating her daughter

[cleanhippie]

Four-year-old Emily Rose Perrin was resting on her stomach, playing with her dolls, her golden curls hanging around her face. She was a happy child, her brother told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, though she battled cystic fibrosis, a genetic disorder that wreaks havoc on the lungs.

She was no doubt excited — she was turning 5 the next day.

Moments later, witnesses later told police, her mother — naked and possibly high — climbed on top of Emily and pressed her hands against the girl’s nose and mouth, according to court records. The mother was holding a chain dog leash, saying “she was sending Emily to see Jesus,” the documents said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/04/22/jesus-came-along-with-the-dark-angels-mother-charged-with-suffocating-her-daughter-to-death/

Tragic. A mother struggling with serious mental illness, surrounded by people telling her that a magical God will make it all better.
Where on earth would she get the idea that Jesus would make her daughters suffering stop?

"We’ll focus on two things — the positive reality that Emily is alive and well, without cystic fibrosis, without pain or injury, and in the presence of Jesus and all the saints who have gone before her,” Steve Smith, a family friend who led the child’s service, told the newspaper."

I'm sure religion had nothing to do with it, amirite?

[struggle4progress]

1. ... St. Clair county prosecutors have since filed first degree murder charges against Lockett

who family members say was on medication for schizophrenia and bipolar disorder ...
4-year-old Emily Rose Perrin is laid to rest
POSTED 7:47 PM, APRIL 16, 2016, BY SHAWNDREA THOMAS

[struggle4progress]

2. ... She is being held in the St. Clair County Jail on $1 million bail. Her public defender

could not immediately be reached for comment ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/04/22/jesus-came-along-with-the-dark-angels-mother-charged-with-suffocating-her-daughter-to-death/

[struggle4progress]

3. ... A lawyer asked for a psychiatric evaluation, which was ordered by a judge last week ...

While under sedation, Lockett asked police whether Ethan was dead, if a sword found in her car was used to cut his heart out, and if her roommate wiped his fingerprints off the sword and put hers on it, the affidavit stated. She also sent a text to her mother that stated Ethan stopped breathing and Lockett performed CPR and brought him back to life ...
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/nation-world/national/article73043127.html

[struggle4progress]

4. ... Lockett’s roommate .. told police .. he had gone .. to buy marijuana .. When he left,

Lockett was smoking marijuana in her bedroom ...
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dupo-mom-who-suffocated-daughter-wanted-to-send-her-to/article_c7486946-8111-5d3a-bb20-7e29f0f0d1a9.html

[struggle4progress]

5. ... “Lockett was going crazy inside the residence and saying she was going to kill herself,”

according to .. court documents ... Court documents and local news reports portray Lockett as a struggling and unstable mother who was on and off of prescription medication for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia and had been on the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services’s radar since June 2015 ...
Illinois mother accused of suffocating her 4-year-old to death
By The Washington Post
POSTED: 04/22/16, 1:05 PM EDT | UPDATED: 14 HRS AGO

[Brettongarcia]

34. "Jesus and his dark angels" seems a reliable quote

It's from an arresting officer. Quoted in the Register Citizen, reprinting the Washington Post


http://www.registercitizen.com/general-news/20160422/illinois-mother-accused-of-suffocating-her-4-year-old-to-death

[Brettongarcia]

35. "Jesus. ..with the dark angels"

'Lockett, the officer said, told him: "Jesus came along with the dark angels."'

[rug]

6. Another dead child. Another post about religion by cleanhippie.

[Major Nikon]

10. I've heard better whines from those who claim nonbelievers are tools of the devil

Just sayin'

[rug]

12. I have never in my varied life heard anyone say that to an atheiest.

You must hang around with idiots.

BTW dead children have nothing to do with "whine". Or skeevy intermet talking points.

[Major Nikon]

18. I suspect you don't get out as much as you claim

"This idea that it is better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven is Satan's motto, and it turns out that this is also the motto of contemporary atheists such as Christopher Hitchens."
-- Dinesh D'Souza

http://www.cuttingedge.org/pages/seminar2/MARXPASS.htm

http://blogjob.com/christianliving4u/2015/06/30/how-satan-has-deceived-the-atheists/

http://www.orthodoxchristian.info/pages/satever.htm

http://christianapologeticsalliance.com/2016/02/02/church-of-satan-exposes-the-evil-in-atheism/

http://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Topical.show/RTD/cgg/ID/1576/Satans-Deception.htm

http://www.quora.com/Can-should-an-atheist-believe-in-ghosts-and-other-supernatural-things

[rug]

19. Well, if it comforts you, embrace it.

Although I doubt little children throw things at you as you walk down the street.

[Major Nikon]

20. Nah, they just throw cheap shots over the internet

Just sayin'

[rug]

21. My goodness. How ever do you bear it?

[Major Nikon]

22. I just don't waste my time incessantly whining about it. YMMV

[rug]

24. Thank goodness.

The whines of the privileged are the most cloying.

[Major Nikon]

25. No, children are the worst

But at least we used to get a break from it when they got sent to time out.

[Brettongarcia]

36. So when will it sink in?

These hundreds of examples of psychotic murderers quoting God, equal ... lots of evidence of a provable relationship between murderous psychosis and religion.

Add in a few million more examples from pogroms, religious wars, plus a few quotes from Jesus explicitly endorsing "hate" and soon ...even the blind will see it.

[rug]

37. Oh, please. Post your "lots of evidence" of a provable relationship.

Not to mention that relationship between pogroms and religious wars.

I don't know what's worse, your ignorance of psychiatry, history or theology.

[Brettongarcia]

38. About two years ago, I posted psychiatric articles

By the dozens. Beginning with Freud's statement that "all religion is delusion." Then I expanded and updated that, with literally dozens of psychological articles. That essentially showed that religion often has a significant causal role in psychological disorders.

Rug? In many ways, it is common sense. It should be easy to intuitively see how teaching people to believe that snakes can talk, say, could cause problems in their thinking process. Or teaching them that say, you can hear voices from God, in your head.

There are a huge number of Christian religious concepts that correspond perfectly to the more common serious psychological disorders. Teaching people to hear a commanding voice in your head, would be one of them. "Hearing voices" is a major symptom of schizophrenia.

[rug]

39. I hope you dpn't mean this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218126327#post128

[Brettongarcia]

40. That ... and a dozen related posts.

The technical issues here are difficult for general readers, and even for religious/psychological counselors. So why don't you address the commonsense objection here: couldn't it damage people's clarity of thought and sanity, to teach them to believe in say, talking snakes? And voices in their heads?

[rug]

41. In a word, no.

The etiology of mental illness is biological not intellectual. One is not educated into mental illness.

Furthermore, if you think reading Genesis intelligently and thoughtfully causes mental illness, then I'd have to say you may have read it too many times.

[Brettongarcia]

42. You're still making the same errors

The whole premise of modern psychiatry is that biology is not the sole cause or cure for psychological disorder; that helping patients clarify their thoughts by speaking with them, teaching balanced ideas, noting problems with patients concepts, magical thinking, is a very major part of psychiatric treatment.

Biological determinism, just prescribing pills for every mental hickup, etc., turns out to be every bit as simplistic and dangerous as the use of "Soma" in Brave New World began to warn.

[rug]

43. Er, the one making errors here is not me.

For one thing, treatment of mental illness is not "just prescribing pills for every mental hickup (sic)".

[Brettongarcia]

44. My point exactly

[mr blur]

7. Well, with 'family friends' like that...

"positive reality" certainly has nothing to do with it.

[struggle4progress]

8. ... Steve Smith works at Kurrus Funeral Home in Belleville as the director

of Continuing Care Services. The family friend officiated at Emily’s service at First Baptist Church. Smith said Lockett’s mental health may have played a role in the death ...
Supporters line street for ‘Princess’ Emily funeral procession in Dupo
APRIL 16, 2016 3:37 PM
BY JOSEPH BUSTOS

[struggle4progress]

9. Let's summarize what we know so far:

The mother was known previously to IL DCFS, who had been concerned about negligence but not about any more direct abuse. She had medication for multiple psychiatric issues but did not always take it reliably. She and her housemate used drugs on the day of the child's murder. The mother may have had some psychiatric episode that day, threatening to commit suicide and accusing her housemate of planting her fingerprints on a weapon in her car. The court has ordered a psychiatric evaluation.

[Brettongarcia]

33. References to Jesus link her religion to her psychosis

[Lordquinton]

11. Judging by how many posts are Google links

That may or may not be related, I think it's a pretty high chance.

[struggle4progress]

13. ... about 2:30 PM .. Lockett’s roommate, left the apartment to buy marijuana ...

Lockett was in her bedroom smoking marijuana ... Kirk .. about 15 minutes later .. found Lockett .. on top of her youngest child, Emily. Kirk called 911, telling police that Lockett .. was saying she was going to kill herself ... Family members told police .. Lockett was on medication to treat bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, but she was inconsistent with taking it ...Lockett asked police whether Ethan was dead, if a sword found in her car was used to cut his heart out, and if her roommate wiped his fingerprints off the sword and put hers on it .. She also sent a text to her mother that stated Ethan stopped breathing and Lockett .. brought him back to life ... DCFS spokesman Veronica Resa confirmed the department was involved with Lockett and her children after a 2015 allegation of neglect ... Police also found pictures of Lockett in “various stages of undress, in sexual positions, some of which have small children visible” ...

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/nation-world/national/article73043127.html

[struggle4progress]

14. Mom charged in death

APRIL 12, 2016 11:54 AM
BY BETH HUNDSDORFER

Mary B. Lockett .. stood Tuesday before a St. Clair County judge, who read the charge against her: first-degree murder ...

Circuit Judge Robert Haida set bail at $1 million for Lockett, who proclaimed her innocence to family members and cursed at a news photographer.

Lockett told the judge her water and electricity were turned off and they were starving for a week ...

“The jail is not capable of providing care for me,” Lockett said ...

http://www.bnd.com/news/local/article71344967.html

[struggle4progress]

16. Many people will take the view that we cannot possibly understand such a story

without obtaining a detailed factual background

Of course, press reports are not always entirely reliable -- but they may be all the public can easily get

What we have here could be described in various ways

For example, the little girl's mother apparently smoked marijuana, climbed naked atop the girl, suffocated her, then threatened suicide. Later, when led into juvenile court for a custody hearing on her son, she apparently called a news photographer "demon spawn"

Is that crazy-as-a-loon -- or is it an attempt to evade responsibility by faking? I can't know -- but I can hope such questions are addressed by competent professionals who make an effort to consider actual facts, rather than by reaching for ideological answers that merely comport with their own prejudices

[rug]

17. Evidence? They don't need no stinkin' evidence!

Leave them to their imaginary facts.

[cleanhippie]

23. I'm sure there's a point to all these links, but since it's just a Google-galop with no explanation

[Lordquinton]

15. QED

[Kalidurga]

26. There are a lot of people that get away with killing their children...

They claim that they can't take their kids to the hospital or medicate them. There are anti-vaxers. Then those who are just not very responsible and don't insist on seat belts. Some people leave loaded guns in their home and let their children have access. And so many of them don't see a day in jail. And they don't all have the excuse of having a suffering child, mental illness, and people that validate the conclusions their mental illness has taken them to all at the same time.

I don't see this as a direct link to religion being the problem too many things converge at once. I do believe it played a role of course. However, the mental illness alone could have caused this tragedy all by itself.

[cleanhippie]

27. That's a great response. I can agree with most of that.

If religious belief is not to be considered a form of mental illness (delusion), then it certainly plays a primary role in furthering and enabling actual mental illness.
Is religion the primary cause here? Of course not. But had religion not been used to bolster this persons mental illness, they may have actually gotten medical hep long before this tragedy took place.

[Kalidurga]

29. I agree

Religion does give some people the illusion of treating serious mental illnesses. Many will try to pray depression away as one example. In this lady's case I think she was trying to pray away something a lot more psychotic.

[cleanhippie]

28. That's a great response. I can agree with most of that.

If religious belief is not to be considered a form of mental illness (delusion), then it certainly plays a primary role in furthering and enabling actual mental illness.
Is religion the primary cause here? Of course not. But had religion not been used to bolster this persons mental illness, they may have actually gotten medical help long before this tragedy took place.

[trotsky]

30. It should be noted:

There is a major world religion that exists and most of its various sects teach the following as factual statements:

1) The man-god Jesus existed.
2) Jesus answers prayers and can heal people.

If one is in a precarious position with regards to one's mental health, the above teachings certainly don't help matters.

[Brettongarcia]

31. "Whoever does not hate" his family cannot be Christian

... Jesus assures us.

Here we see just one of the millions of fruits of that biblical passage.

Underneath the message of Christian "love" is a deep abiding hate.

[Brettongarcia]

32. Luke 14.26