Catholic Leaders Say Zika Doesn’t Change Ban on Contraception

[cleanhippie]

As the Zika virus spreads in Latin America, Catholic leaders are warning women against using contraceptives or having abortions, even as health officials in some countries are advising women not to get pregnant because of the risk of birth defects.

The challenge posed by Zika for the Roman Catholic Church comes as Pope Francis is making his first trip to Mexico, where the virus appears to be spreading.

After a period of saying little, bishops in Latin America are beginning to speak up and reassert the church’s opposition to birth control and abortion — positions that in Latin America are unpopular and often disregarded, even among Catholics.

“Contraceptives are not a solution,” (except they ARE a solution )said Bishop Leonardo Ulrich Steiner, the secretary general of the National Council of Bishops of Brazil, and an auxiliary bishop of Brasília, in an interview. “There is not a single change in the church’s position.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/14/world/americas/catholic-leaders-say-zika-doesnt-change-ban-on-contraception.html

Ahh, the RCC is on the cutting edge of scientific understanding, human compassion, empathy, and just plain 'doing the right thing'. Again.

[warrprayer]

1. I'll wait

To hear what the Pope has to say on rhis.

[skepticscott]

2. How long are you willing to wait

for the pope to declare a change in fundamental church doctrine? I do hope you're not holding your breath.

[warrprayer]

9. Your point is valid.

I can only hope for a change. And you might agree that a change is occuring, though far too slowly.

[skepticscott]

11. No, I don't agree that ANY changes

in fundamental church doctrine are "occurring". Just a lot of meaningless, but carefully crafted, feel-goody platitudes designed to make disenchanted Catholics think that the church is getting more liberal and tolerant. The core of church bigotry against homosexuals remains and will remain unchanged, as well as their indefensible stance on contraception.

[cleanhippie]

3. Do you honestly think the Pope is going to say it's ok to use condoms to prevent this disease?

Considering the numerous diseases spread via sexual contact that he, or any other Pope, has refused to allow a change in doctrine for?

You should bottle that wishful thinking and sell it on eBay. You'll make a fortune!

[mr blur]

8. Why? Because his enlightened attitude worked so well in using condoms,

to counteract the spread of AIDS in Africa?

Oh, wait...

[Warren Stupidity]

4. Bring that broken fetus to term or go to hell.

Such a benevolent institution.

[cleanhippie]

5. The RCC is more concerned with maintaining control over the laity than dealing with the

messy and inconvenient realities of peoples' lives.

[skepticscott]

18. It seems to be working

At least if this forum is any indication.

[cleanhippie]

21. We've come to expect certain behavior from shysters.

But one would think that the (ever decreasing, hooray!) millions that fill the pews and collection plates every week would have more compassion. I guess offering absolution as part of attendance is more powerful than imagined.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. It's a direct threat to their house of cards of social control.

Education kills religion. So does prosperity. (And education and prosperity are linked together, and with kids per family.)

http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_religions_and_babies

Fuck the Catholic church and its inhumane social policies.

[Stargleamer]

6. well they are pro-suffering, wouldn't expect anything else from them n/t

[cleanhippie]

7. Hold that thought.. Wait for one of the Defenders of the Faith to come along and Cathosplain it.

When they are done, you'll have a whole new outlook on this.

[rug]

10. You left out the paragraph stating experts are unsure if the Zika virus is the cause of the defects.

That doesn't stop you from casting a serious epidemic as a religious problem.

Which is utterly surprising from a poster who has a gleeful history of using child rape to spread religious bigotry.

The only difference is you're now using deformed fetuses.

[cleanhippie]

12. And you left out the part that says condoms or abstinence is the best defense for now.

But don't let RCC doctrine cloud your deflection.

And here's where your last word compulsion gets the better of you.

[rug]

13. Not if Zika doesn't cause the birth defects.

But don't let science deflect from your anti-Catholic bias.

Why don't you be honest for once, cleanhippie? The truth of the matter is you despise Catholicism and will use - and have used - any angle, inaccurate or not, to feed it.

I seriously doubt you'd have even posted this story if it didn't mention the RCC. You'd simply wait for another priest to be charged with child rape.

[cleanhippie]

14. Told you. It's so very sad to see.

And of course you ignore the topic at hand and instead make nothing more than another personal attack.

And here's where that last-word compulsion takes control.....again.

[rug]

15. Your obsession with "last word compulsion" is noted.

Hint: it does not innoculate you from getting called on bullshit.

[cleanhippie]

17. And your "last word compulsion" is well documented.

Have a nice day, rug. We're done here

[skepticscott]

19. And shame on you for being bigoted

Against people who rape children, people who enable the rape of children, and those who try to deflect criticism from those who anally rape children.

Shame. Shame.

[Major Nikon]

32. You're just distorting the RCC

The pope says there's no more than about 10,000 child rapists still on the payroll.

[rug]

22. You were done as soon as you hit "Enter".

[Lordquinton]

31. Science says condoms are the best defense for now

Regardless. But that didn't change Vatican policy when AIDS was running rampant, so why should they change now?

And that's pretty disgusting of you to make light of your church's crim of covering for paedophiles.

[rug]

33. Potential defense.

And that's pretty disgusting of you to use pedophilia and birth defects as a beard for your anti-Catholic bigotry.

[Lordquinton]

38. Yes, best potential defense, which your church refuses to budge even an inch on

Interesting how you're more interested in protecting the church than it's victims. It's almost satire, how someone brings up the massive scandal, and your only retort is "How dare you you bigot!"

Protip: hating bigotry is not bigotry.

[rug]

39. Protip: promoting bigotry is not opposing bigotry.

Especially when yo're so quick to call it.

[Lordquinton]

46. Given that your only retort to people pointing out plain facts

is to call them bigots, doesn't give you much ground to stand on.

[skepticscott]

16. Yes, and "experts" are unsure

whether HIV causes AIDS. Or whether germs cause disease at all.

And "experts" are unsure whether raping children is even a crime:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2014/06/archbishop-says-he-was-unsure-if-priests-raping-children-was-a-crime/

[cleanhippie]

20. It's not even amusing anymore to point out the hypocrisy and contortions some will endure

To defend their religion from criticism. At times it seems that just when their HAS to be a limit to how much deflection one can muster, a new source presents itself. Lately it's been one man's Twitter account being used to distract from the decades long pederasty enabled, condoned, and covered-up by the RCC. When that fails to work, personal attacks are the go-to tactic. See above for examples.

[rug]

24. Then you shold stop posting hypocrisy and contortions.

Oh, and what you consider "personal attacks" is simply reference to your posting history.

[Lordquinton]

25. QED

[cleanhippie]

28. Right!!!???

[rug]

23. Your statement is 35 years out of date, scottie.

And your link is, unexpectedly, a non sequitur.

BTW, shouting "child rape" is not an argument.

Good to see you posting again.

[skepticscott]

30. Attempts to discredit something because "experts" deny it

are far older than that, ruggie...doesn't seem to stop you from resorting to that lame tactic.

And my link is directly relevant to the "expertise" of Catholic leaders about pretty much anything.

And if you see anyone shouting "child rape!" with no context, feel free to point it out.

[rug]

34. Sure, scottie. Click yoiur "MyPosts" tab.

Here, let me help you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218223527#post19

[skepticscott]

47. Poor ruggie

The context for that has been going on in this group for years, most recently your post #10 just above. You know it as well as anyone, because you're one of the loudest voices screaming "bigotry" every time the catholic church's coverup and enabling of child rape is brought up, and trying to deflect any criticism of the church for all the despicable things they've done.

Try again.

[Lordquinton]

29. 35 years out of date

And yet still relevant. Funny how things like promoting the spread of plague and child abuse has an expiration date to some.

[Rob H.]

40. DU has a four-paragraph limit when posting copyrighted material

...which you well know.

[rug]

41. That must be the precise reason he left it out.

[Rob H.]

42. Please. Following the rules is nefarious

when someone else does exactly the same thing you did?

[Rob H.]

44. Which isn't what the OP did.

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And with that, we're done. Better luck next time--nice try at moving the goalposts, though.

Edit: good hide, jurors.

[cleanhippie]

48. Sure rug, posting the first 4 paragraphs of the article is exactly what I meant to do.

Seriously, dude, wtf is your problem?

[Dawson Leery]

26. The Great Whore is more interested in keeping women in their place than anything else.

Whore JPII has the blood of 50 million Africans on his hands. Never forget that.

[deathrind]

27. Religion > Common sense.

[trotsky]

35. Of course it doesn't. That's the nature of blind religious dogma.

If you let pesky things like facts and real-world events get in the way of precious, precious dogma, well you might just end up with a more liberal and humane theology. And we certainly can't have that!