Catholic Archbishop Blames Disobedient Wives For Domestic Violence

[cleanhippie]

Blaming the victim: A Catholic archbishop tells his congregation that the root cause of domestic violence is a woman’s disobedience to her husband.

Speaking to his congregation in Toledo, Spain, Archbishop Braulio Rodriguez said that wives could escape being physically abused by not being disobedient and by not asking their husbands for a divorce.

Rodriguez, who is the Archbishop of Toledo, spoke to his congregation about relationships at a sermon held in Toledo Cathedral on December 27.

In addition to blaming women for domestic violence, the archbishop criticised “false marriages” and “quickie divorces.”

Rodriguez said:

The majority of cases of domestic violence happen because the woman’s partner does not accept them, or rejects them for not accepting their demands.

Referring to domestic violence as a “macho reaction” the archbishop added:

… often the macho reaction comes about because she (the wife) asked for a separation.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2016/01/catholic-archbishop-blames-disobedient-wives-for-domestic-violence/?ref_widget=gr_popular&ref_blog=grails&ref_post=atheist

I'm sure this is just this one man's personal interpretation of Catholic Doctrine and not a problem with Catholic Doctrine itself, amirite?

[Act_of_Reparation]

1. Guess we'll be adding Toledo churches to list of those we won't visit.

But damn, that list is getting long.

[trotsky]

2. Words fail. This is just beyond disgusting, even from a woman-hating church.

Hopefully Richard Dawkins tweets something soon to distract from this!

[skepticscott]

3. I'm sure the usual apologists will be by

to Catho-splain this quite soon..

[Lordquinton]

9. The real reason is because we hate them

I'm sure we'll be told. And won't we be so sad when the Catholics stop promoting and excusing these things?

[trotsky]

10. Oh absolutely.

Despising bigotry against women and homosexuals only because it gives us an excuse to be bigoted against Catholics.

"Stop making fun of my bigoted church!!!!"

[Goblinmonger]

11. Calling people bigots makes you a bigot.

Or some fucking thing. I can't remember. I know it was idiotic, though.

[trotsky]

12. Well we have been told that if you're bigoted out of sincere religious belief,

then you aren't really a bigot after all. That's why Pope Awesome is still awesome.

[Act_of_Reparation]

15. I believe it went something like...

... "you're condemning bajillions of people based on the behavior of one man."

As if it is wrong to judge an organization based on the behavior of the dipshits it promotes to its highest offices.

[Lordquinton]

17. "condemning bajillions of people based on the behavior of one man"

Well, if that one man is God, then yeah...

[trotsky]

18. Oh is that the bullshit excuse?

Even lamer than I thought.

How dare we judge the church based on its leadership and teachings? LOL!!

[Act_of_Reparation]

19. Imagine if one gave corporations the same leeway.

Don't judge Koch Industries based on the actions of the Koch Brothers! That's BIGOTRY.

[edhopper]

32. Don't judge Republicans

because Trump is the front runner and their last President was Bush.

[Act_of_Reparation]

34. That one might be appropriate if we were actually judging Catholics.

Yet all the criticism I see is aimed directly, and specifically, at the institution of the Church.

But then, the most vocal Cathosplainers often fail to differentiate between the people who run the show and those that show up every Sunday because mom and dad told made them when they were kids.

[cleanhippie]

40. +1

[Manifestor_of_Light]

4. Like all the Christians that don't believe in original sin and substitutionary atonement.

But, they're still Christians, dontcha know!! You can believe just anything you want and STILL be a Christian -- that's what they tell me.

[Downwinder]

5. A Bachelor.

[Hoppy]

6. --- makes sense to me.

Yes, Bertha, its sarcasm.

[edhopper]

7. I've been to the cathedral in Toledo

it is very beautiful. To bad some will not see it now.

[IMG][/IMG]

[Lordquinton]

13. It looks like a cathedral

If I want to see one I can just go into the city, and as a bonus it's an Episcopalian cathedral and they might get tossed out of the haters club!

[edhopper]

14. Do they have original

El Grecos?

[Lordquinton]

16. I don't think so

but they don't have the hate and guilt, so it's a trade-off.

[bkkyosemite]

8. what a pathetic male ass

[rug]

20. I;m sure you can cite the "Catholic Doctrine" he was preaching.

I'll wait.

While I'm waiting, I'll reread this:

http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/marriage-and-family/marriage/domestic-violence/when-i-call-for-help.cfm

[Cartoonist]

27. Your wait is over

Ephesians 5:22-33 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Proverbs 21:19 - [It is] better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 - Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
---

Let me guess your response:
"The Bible is not church doctrine."

[rug]

30. Nice of you to attempt it when he can't.

However, cherry-picked verses do not make a coherent teaching.

How do you think these verses square with the document linked above?

[Cartoonist]

42. Attempt it?

I nailed it!

Cartoonist: Thou shall not kill.
rug: you're cherry-picking again.

[rug]

46. "I nailed it!"

Lol, of course, you did.

[edhopper]

33. So he is going against catholic teachings?

when is the excommunication?

[rug]

39. Read the link on the statement on domestic violence and compare it to the news report.

Then you can answer the question.

If you then want him excommunicated, contact the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the successor to the Inquisition. They'll know what to do.

[e-mail]

[Fix The Stupid]

43. Well.

"If you then want him excommunicated, contact the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the successor to the Inquisition. They'll know what to do. "

The issue is not whether ed wants him excommunicated.

I think the bigger issue is that YOU DO NOT want him excommunicated...

Says volumes doesn't it?

[rug]

44. You think wrong.

He mentioned excommunication. I told him who to contact.

I don't really give a shit if he's excommunicated or not.

Fixed.

[cleanhippie]

41. No, ed, you have to read INTO the doctrine

to see that while it may LOOK like he's just following it, he's really not.

Or something. The Catho-splanation is fuzzy at best here.

[rug]

45. You should read the it before reading anything into it.

That way you won't look foolish.

Or just keeping posting smileys.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. Discount doublecheck, right on cue.

[rug]

22. Ditto.

[cleanhippie]

23. Lol. Right on cue!

[rug]

31. Posting a smiley makes a poor response.

[Lordquinton]

24. CueED

[cleanhippie]

38. I see what you did there!

[Cartoonist]

25. Number 4 in a series

The first three can be found here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218215482

[PatrickforO]

26. Boy does this guy have a rectal-cranial thing going on.

I'd laugh wildly, but my heart goes out to the women in those shitty marriages with dicks who abuse them. And guys like this archbishop help to make that happen.

I guess like the other poster says, words fail.

[katsy]

28. Can't wait for time to sweep away this kind of stupid

These messages from fundies are dangerous and women are the ones that pay.

[Act_of_Reparation]

35. "Fundies"

This term is so overused in these parts it has lost all meaning.

[katsy]

36. Then fill in your own blank when u see the term

Or skip the posts that describe these backwards ideologies as such okay?

When someone uses that term I immediately understand the ideology so it's efficient.

Geeeez

[Kalidurga]

29. Not to distract from the asshattery the Archbishop said

But, this is a problem with most religious doctrine. My mother attended a church for a while that was like that. I have been in Baptist churches that are like that (for about a minute), and I have heard the family values crowd in the GOP promote such things. Catholic doctrine is just horrible though. One of my aunts was married to a Catholic and the chit he did and said that he would hail Mary his way out of. They were divorced eventually.

[cleanhippie]

37. I couldn't agree more.