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A blessed Feast of the Holy Innocents to you (Original Post) struggle4progress Dec 2015 OP
Rubens rug Dec 2015 #1
Nightmare fuel. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #2
They look blissful to me. rug Dec 2015 #3
The three, leftmost, second row from the top, look like they are dead or dying. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #4
One common title is "The Virgin and Child surrounded by the Holy Innocents" struggle4progress Dec 2015 #6
That doesn't really fix it for me. Raises additional questions. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #9
Post removed Post removed Dec 2015 #14
The Hunger Games? AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #15
This might help you understand: guillaumeb Dec 2015 #7
Navigational error/paradox not found in any independent historical record. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #8
You took offense to the singing, or the lyrics? guillaumeb Dec 2015 #10
The lyrics. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author guillaumeb Dec 2015 #12
Lol, sorry. This just reminds me of Kirk talking to the android. rug Dec 2015 #17
Funny you should bring that up. AtheistCrusader Dec 2015 #18
Well, I said I was sorry. rug Dec 2015 #19
Crudelis Herodes struggle4progress Dec 2015 #5
Your signature line is quite clever. eom guillaumeb Dec 2015 #13
I had bever heard that. Thanks. rug Dec 2015 #16
You might want to consider a cross-post skepticscott Dec 2015 #20
Is this about edhopper Dec 2015 #21
It's more about maintaining power. rug Dec 2015 #22
Yep. Curious that Josephus didn't mention them in his critique of Herod. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #23
The murders of his three sons, mother-in-law, and second wife were more pertinent. rug Dec 2015 #24
So this illogical census edhopper Dec 2015 #25
Don't forget... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2015 #26
What's a few years edhopper Dec 2015 #27

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
4. The three, leftmost, second row from the top, look like they are dead or dying.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:04 PM
Dec 2015

I have no idea what the fuck this painting is supposed to represent.

Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #9)

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Navigational error/paradox not found in any independent historical record.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:22 PM
Dec 2015

Sorry, I didn't make it more than 40 seconds in.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. You took offense to the singing, or the lyrics?
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 03:27 PM
Dec 2015

I hope it was not the harmony. Everyone likes harmony, especially sweet harmony.

Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #11)

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
16. I had bever heard that. Thanks.
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 05:12 PM
Dec 2015

Crudelis Herodes, Deum,
Regem venire quid times?
Non eripit mortalia,
Qui regna dat cælestia.

Ibant Magi, quam viderant,
Stellam sequentes præviam;
Lumen requirunt lumine:
Deum fatentur munere.

Lavacra puri gurgitis
Cælestis Agnus attigit:
Peccata, quae non detulit,
Nos abluendo sustulit.

Novum genus potentiæ:
Aquae rubescunt hydriæ,
Vinumque jussa fundere,
Mutavit unda originem.

Jesu, tibi sit gloria,
Qui apparuisti gentibus,
Cum Patre, et almo Spiritu,
In sempiterna sæcula.

Most cruel Herod, whence does spring
Thy fear, lest Christ should come as king ?
He seizes not on realms below,
Who realms celestial does bestow.

The sages followed the bright
Preceding star they had in sight ;
By light to find our light they sought ;
They God confess, by gifts they brought.

The heavenly Lamb, though spotless, took
The baptism of a crystal brook ;
By washing us he cleansed the blot
Of sin, which he contracted not.

A novel kind of power he shows,
Ruddy the pitchers water grows,
Which bid by him to send forth wine,
The water changed its origin.

To thee be glory, Christ, who hast
Thy beams upon the Gentiles cast ;
The like unto the Father be,
And Holy Ghost eternally.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
20. You might want to consider a cross-post
Mon Dec 28, 2015, 06:45 PM
Dec 2015

in Interfaith. They enjoy discussing the more obscure religious holidays there as well.

edhopper

(33,606 posts)
25. So this illogical census
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 03:36 PM
Dec 2015

and this undocumented slaughter, all took place right when Jesus was born?
What a coincidence.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
26. Don't forget...
Tue Dec 29, 2015, 04:11 PM
Dec 2015

...that ridiculous census was actually conducted in 6 CE. Herod the Great-- the king alleged to ordered the undocumented slaughter of thousands of children -- died in 4 BCE.

Whoops.


It's also kind of amusing this feast day even exists. Slaughter of the innocents? These kids were born before they could accept Jesus Christ as their lord and savior. Under the best possible circumstances, they spent 33 years in Hell -- assuming they were among the righteous taken to heaven by Jesus in the Harrowing. And when you think about it, the whole mess is really God's fault. He could have chosen some wiser wise men -- maybe even wise men smart enough not to tell the fake King of the Jews that they're looking for the REAL King of the Jews -- or at least made them go back to Jerusalem to tell Herod they didn't find shit in Bethlehem. Of course, God told Joseph the slaughter was coming, so he could run off to Egypt with Mary and little J.C. Guess no one else deserved the heads up.

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