Let's talk about Interfaith.

[AtheistCrusader]

Since, you know, they're talking about us. And we can't respond, being in a 'safe haven' from which most of us are banned, many unjustly per the plain SOP of the group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12647191

"Either way it does make it hard for the Anti-theists to portray themselves as outnumbered victims in the religion room."

I particularly enjoyed this one. I don't know about anyone else, but I have never felt outnumbered on DU, because DU is a left-leaning site, and statistically, the Left leans either fully away from Religion, or when religious, they don't base their worldview on their religious dogma. One can also find more diversity in religions held by people on the Left, such as paganism/earth worship, Buddhism, etc (more than DOUBLE the percentage of the political Right), rather than the ridiculously heavy and persistent Christian weighing to the political Right.

http://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/u-s-public-becoming-less-religious/




I'd be outnumbered and a victim, if I was posting on Free Republic, not DU.

[cleanhippie]

1. What's there to talk about? It's an echo chamber where all dissenters have been blocked.

So much for the 'interfaith' part of it.

While the alert stalking, lying in alerts (I mean seriously, what kind of shyster lies that the acronym for Social Justice Warrior, SJW, is supposed to be Single Jewish Women?), posting bile that will surely get hidden but self-deleting before a jury can hide...

All of this means that they feel an impotent rage due to the privilege they no longer get to have.

It's kinda funny, but really just plain sad.

[mr blur]

2. Well. I lasted one post, which was the thanks I got

for being one of the atheists who supported them getting the place.
Seems that the ruling cabal was waiting for anyone who couldn't repeat the party line. Ban-happy doesn't begin to explain it.
At least it seems to keep the more fragile minds away from this place where they might encounter someone who - shock! - doesn't think the same as them.

[Iggo]

10. I supported it, too.

And then I trashed it.

Outa sight, outa motherfucking mind.

[skepticscott]

14. Not only someone who doesn't think as they do

But who has more rational reasons for it.

Can't have that..intolerable.

[AlbertCat]

16. But who has more rational reasons for it.

Just asking questions can be dangerous.

A lot of reading between the lines too, if I remember correctly. I mean.... it's been so long....

[Warren Stupidity]

3. They can't handle an open discussion.

[cleanhippie]

4. Whats even funnier is that there's no 'interfaith' discussion there at all!!!

On the rare occasion when there IS a post, it's usually just a complaint about something else on DU!

[AtheistCrusader]

18. The mass-ban thread is still on their front page.

I lol'd when I realized it.

[Iggo]

23. Is that because they keep kicking it or because it's slow?

(Nothing against slow. Years ago I put four people on Ignore and the religion room came to an almost complete halt...lol.)

[trotsky]

5. It's really difficult to encounter questions and criticism of one's religious beliefs.

I can understand why those who aren't on a five-hide vacation are unwilling to face those tough questions.

But without questioning and criticizing religion, we have shit like fundamentalist terrorists such as ISIS and the Colorado shooter.

[skepticscott]

6. Yes, it seems like all the religionists want to do

(Aside from griping about atheists) is to proclaim the wonderfulness of their "faith" and how much they all respect the wonderfulness of each other's "faith". But, as they've discovered, there's no there there. They can't sustain even the semblance of an intellectually compelling discussion on that basis, no matter how much they claim to want that. They can't even get over the first intellectual hurdle of providing convincing evidence for the actual existence of their "god", without which everything else they say is just meaningless feel-goodiness.

[mr blur]

7. 4 . . . 3. . . 2 . . .

[Goblinmonger]

8. I think the problem is clearly privilege.

People in this country aren't used to having their Christianity called into question.

As to Interfaith, I do find it funny that, contrary to the declaration of one certain individual, that atheists made that forum possible and people get banned from their "for their very presence." The argument was that great and awesome debates could be had if the tone was better. From the number and frequency of posts, that clearly isn't true.

As to atheists running people out of Religion, that just isn't true. Of the 3-5 most frequent posters in this room, two are gone for unknown reasons, one is on vacation, and another seems to be putting all his time into off-site Clinton sites. I don't see how anyone other than those individuals are responsible for that happening.

[Iggo]

11. It hurts to let go of privilege.

Self-examination, the realization that yes you are actually part of the problem whether you meant to be or not.

It sucks.

But it's gotta be done if you wanna live right.

[skepticscott]

13. And if people stop coming in here

because their faith-based notions never get any traction against intellectual counter-arguments, so what? That's WHY you discuss and debate things-to weed out the nonsense, so that the rational stuff is what's left.

QED

[Goblinmonger]

9. Additionally, I would argue that this discussion should happen here.

I would gladly allow the thread in A&A (and I'm sure the other two hosts would as well), but I think Religion is a better place since this isn't a safehaven.

I would have appreciated if the person that started the thread in Interfaith had started it here, but if they want a discussion about this is the place. Let's have it.

[skepticscott]

12. Oh, and now they think

they've hit a nerve. More like a funny bone

[Goblinmonger]

15. I wish they had the tenacity to come here and discuss it.

Sure, they will say that they are bullied, but I think they just don't want to come to grips with their attitudes.

Hey guys why not come here and talk about this rather than hiding. I mean, you'll still be called out for what you say just like anyone else in Religion, but that's the point, isn't it? Your back-slapping echo chamber is pretty dead, so don't keep acting like you have the hotbed of discussion.

And if you are going to continue just sniping from there, how about you address the fact that one of you was hiding in the even more protected Clinton site and probably the most prolific poster in Religion is on a forced vacation for being a bad boy.

[AlbertCat]

17. Oh.... whatever...

Let them have their safe room, even if it is empty.

If they did want to actually discuss something, they would. Maybe they will.


I'm indifferent.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Hit a nerve justin?

Please explain the special pleading that encourages you to say something silly like that about this thread, but not this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12647191#post16


Difference between you and me? I'll come here to a middle ground where both of us can post, to talk about it.

[hrmjustin]

26. Why did it take two weeks for you to complain about this?

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Because I'm not your pet monkey?

I just read it. Responded.

Sorry I don't read your echo chamber on your schedule.

[hrmjustin]

28. Lol. Sure.

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Keep up the content-free smileys.

I have no idea what you are getting at, and really, I don't give a shit.

I don't know what sort of agenda you're alluding to, but even if there was one, it wouldn't be a valid deflection from the fact you're complaining about this thread for the same sort of behavior you yourself posted in that thread.

[hrmjustin]

32. If you don't give a shit why ask my opinion then?

[AtheistCrusader]

35. I didn't ask your opinion.

[hrmjustin]

36. .

http://election.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=218104

19. Hit a nerve justin?
Please explain the special pleading that encourages you to say something silly like that about this thread, but not this post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12647191#post16


Difference between you and me? I'll come here to a middle ground where both of us can post, to talk about it.

[AtheistCrusader]

42. And what about that inquires about your OPINION?

o·pin·ion.
[əˈpinyən]
NOUN
1.a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge:

Here's a hint. When I ask you to explain WHY YOU DID SOMETHING, since you are in a position to make a statement of fact in response, I am not asking your opinion.

[hrmjustin]

43. Are you upset?

[AtheistCrusader]

47. No, I am not.

Are you ever going to answer a question with an honest answer, instead of a deflecting question?

[hrmjustin]

54. When are you going to stop obsessing over the interfaith room?

[mr blur]

62. Maybe you should think, seriously, about why you are obsessed,

with the notion of persecution, blocking/banning people or being banned yourself. It seems to be your first rection when you encounter someone who doesn't think exactly like you. About everything. Notably God and Ms Clinton. As you know I have no respect for your religion and whether or not your blessed Hillary gets to be President is a matter of complete indifference to me - one American right-wing millionaire who needs to claim that their favourite book is the Bible is pretty much like any other to those of us who don't live there and don't particularly care - but don't you think that your record of banning people from groups where you are a host is rather . . . childish? It's a bit like taking your ball and leaving the playground because no-one want to play the same game as you.

And then sticking your fingers in your ears and humming loudly whenever anyone questions you about it.

Anyone who tries to engage with you at all beyond your familiar string of one-line expressions either seems to end up getting banned or left with one of your "I refuse to talk to you any more" posts.

No doubt you will claim that this is a personal attack on you and I'm sure that the usual suspects would be happy to join in and say what a nasty atheist bastard I am but, really, it's not an attack at all. Although we have never met - and never will - it's obvious that you and I don't like each other but I would never ban you from anywhere because you dared to disagree with me or because you laughed at me. Laugh away - it doesn't touch me and it certainly doesn't hurt anyone.

I'm just wondering: why won't you answer AtheistCrusaders question? I mean, you came into this group - from which no-one has banned you - presumably to engage with people, right?

[hrmjustin]

64. Stop persecuting me!

[AtheistCrusader]

82. Logical error.

Implies obsession; a negative connotation.

When are you going to stop making passive-aggressive attacks on people in your 'questions'?

[hrmjustin]

85. What attack have I made?

[AtheistCrusader]

91. Slipping 'obsessing' into the question is a negative attack.

"Have you stopped beating your wife yet"?


It's called a loaded question fallacy.

[hrmjustin]

102. I think you know my opinion.

I have told you thiz many times.

[AtheistCrusader]

105. And it remains an attack, so why feign non-comprehension when someone points it out?

[hrmjustin]

108. Why feign your motives are pure in this thread?

[AtheistCrusader]

115. I was quite explicit in the OP.

It couldn't be discussed, by us, there, so I posted it here.

I also directly addressed an incorrect claim in one of the posts with hard data and a source.

[hrmjustin]

118. It is meta. You were looking to bait us back here.

You will forgive me If I don't believe you.

[AtheistCrusader]

121. Not the first time you've been wrong in this thread.

[hrmjustin]

123. Keep telling yourself that.

[AtheistCrusader]

139. No, I'm telling you, just like those that pointed out your other error upthread.

[hrmjustin]

142. Lol.

[AtheistCrusader]

145. Another non-response to avoid the content of the OP.

Does it bother you that the secular/nones chunk of the graph is growing?

I think it's awesome. I have hope. Could you report back to the other thread the error about 'people feeling outnumbered'? That would be awesome.

Presuming you wanted to discuss something material and fact-based in that thread.

[hrmjustin]

151. Doesn't bother me in the least.

[AtheistCrusader]

156. I hoped for better, but par for the course.

At least, as you play it.

I've given up hoping. It's like you want me to be the caricature that hates you, that you keep suggesting.

[cleanhippie]

230. Of course he want the caricature of you that hates him, it feeds the persecution complex.

How else is he gonna feel so oppressed?

[Goblinmonger]

33. Well, that would be an interesting fact...if it were true.

Prior thread was locked.

[hrmjustin]

38. Alas I was not around to see that.

[Goblinmonger]

41. Then you probably shouldn't come in to the discussion

throwing around your wild accusations without actually finding out what happened first.

[hrmjustin]

46. Um what accusation did I make?

[skepticscott]

55. Post 25...blatant falsehood and bearing false witness

Still waiting for your apology. God is watching too...because, Commandment

[hrmjustin]

56. That was not a lie. I didn't see the other thread.

I was not on DU since mid October.

[skepticscott]

57. So you shouldn't mind apologizing sincerely

for saying something about other people that was blatantly untrue, right? Once you became aware of your totally innocent error...

[hrmjustin]

59. Read post 58.

[skepticscott]

66. Don't forget to retract #40, too

That is, if your apology is truly sincere and heartfelt.

[skepticscott]

44. Not everyone sits at their computer

16 hours a day and hits Refresh every 15 seconds. Those who don't are, admittedly, less up-to-date on things.

[hrmjustin]

49. Yes you should tell your friends not to do that.

[struggle4progress]

20. "I'm bored! Let's whine about DU!"

[hrmjustin]

21. They must miss us.

[Goblinmonger]

39. Speaking only for myself...no, I don't.

Whether someone I know only from an anonymous internet discussion board does or does not make an appearance doesn't matter to me.

But how about you really discuss the issues here?

Why do believers not want to go to a place, ever, where their thoughts are challenged? Doesn't that cause a lack of growth in thoughts? Couldn't it possibly be privilege that is causing you to take any negative discussion of your beliefs as an attack?

[hrmjustin]

51. Am I the spokesman for believers?

I am here discussing with you.

[Goblinmonger]

157. But you're not discussing it.

You are just attacking and avoiding the issues.

Really discuss the concepts, Justin. It'll be OK. You may not be happy with what I have to say, and I may not like what you have to say, but actually discussing the issues wouldn't be a bad thing.

Why do believers not want any of their beliefs ever confronted?
Why do you and others need to act like atheists are the mean bullies that run everyone off? Especially when the biggest contributor to Religion is a believer and is on a forced vacation because he got five hides ? We didn't run him off--he was kind of a jerk in what he posted and lost the jury battle. Those of us here aren't of forced vacation--not for lack of trying, mind you.

[hrmjustin]

160. I am done with you and your friends games. Good night all.

[AtheistCrusader]

163. Wasn't a game, but you tried your merriest to turn it into one.

[Goblinmonger]

165. You know this doesn't help you at all.

You NEVER actually discuss the issues. And when pressed on it and it is pointed out to you that you aren't, you just take your ball and go home.

And, whatever. No skin off my back.

But PLEASE don't ever talk about it being the atheists that don't want a discussion here. And if you do--which is certainly your right to do so--please expect that you and others will have bullshit called on that claim.

If you don't want bullshit called, then actually discuss the issues.

And for the record, I'd gladly sit around and talk and drink with my "friends" in this thread that have to deal with the passive aggressive comments that have come from you and Leo in this thread. You don't make a compelling argument to actually make it seem enjoyable to talk with you.

[cleanhippie]

175. Funny how you say this every time you get your ass handed to you.

It's ok, we understand it makes you feel better.

[skepticscott]

48. The atmosphere in here is much less

hostile, contentious and irrational lately.

No, we don't miss that.

[hrmjustin]

53. Your opinion.

[skepticscott]

130. Not at all..demonstrable fact

You and Leo have been good enough to provide the proof. Unwittingly and ironically, as usual.

[hrmjustin]

132. We don't all have your charm Scott.

[skepticscott]

190. Your friend here certainly doesn't

Which is why he's enjoying yet another time out.

More proof of my point.

[Leontius]

61. Group think is such a comfort to the closed minded isn't it?

You guys just seem so happy wrapped in your new warm blanket. It's a little sad though you just got what you want and you can still do nothing but whine and moan. That must really suck.

[skepticscott]

65. Nothing but?

Hate to break it to you, but Interfaith just isn't that interesting. You'll find two threads commenting on a rant there, and that's it. The rest of Religion and AA get along just fine without commenting on what goes on in Interfaith...which really IS nothing much at all.

[Leontius]

67. Like your good friend you speak untruth with out batting an eye, well done.

[skepticscott]

70. Hrmjustin is not my good friend

But you should apologize for calling him a liar. He's apologized for that...sort of. With a lot of prodding.

[Leontius]

72. No need to apologize. He knows I was not refering to him.

[hrmjustin]

73. You have to love him.

[hrmjustin]

71. If Interfaith is not interesting why are you so concerned about it?

[skepticscott]

74. I'm not "concerned" with it at all

I'm just commenting on one thread in it. The rest isn't good for anything but amusment, and even that only because there's nothing there.

[hrmjustin]

76. Lol.

[Leontius]

75. It's simple. It is a place they can't bully, pile on or ridicule believers and it really chaffs.

[hrmjustin]

77. Yep. They drove several posters from this room and it became boring.

Now they want to start in to get us back here. Very transparent.

[AtheistCrusader]

79. If you were right about that claim (not implied), why did you fall for it anyway?

[hrmjustin]

81. I fell for it. My mistake.

I know the obsession has not gone away.

[AtheistCrusader]

96. Doubling down on a loaded question with a direct smear.

That's progress, I suppose.

[hrmjustin]

104. You know my thoughts on this. I have never hid them.

[AtheistCrusader]

106. AND YET, the direction your responses took prior to this. One wonders why.

[hrmjustin]

110. Why not admit you were trying to bait me?

[skepticscott]

133. Do you really imagine

that your empty, one-line responses would be a cure for anyone's boredom, even if it existed?

Oh, justin...you do need to stop flattering yourself. Most people had you on ignore anyway.

Trust me...you were not missed and your presence was not being pined away for.

[hrmjustin]

134. If they had me on ignore why did they always respond to me?

Try answering that Scott?

Or do you have magical powers that you can tell who has who on ignore?

Poor Scott! You are trying too hard but I just don't give a shit.

[skepticscott]

135. Because not everyone had you on ignore

only most of the people that matter to me.

I know that a lot of people had you on ignore because we talked about you and mocked you behind your back in PMs. No magic necessary. Was that supposed to be a hard question?

And apparently you give enough of a shit to respond to almost everything I post within minutes, if not seconds, dude. As you no doubt will to this. So that's another slightly less than accurate statement of yours in this thread. Probably just enough to remind me why I need to put you back on ignore.

[hrmjustin]

138. Your friends lied to you because I talked to all two of them.

[skepticscott]

144. Wow, that was like, an insult...

guess you're still practicing those. I suggest getting some pointers at the nearest playground. But thanks for proving my point (again) about how much certain absences improved the atmosphere in Religion.

And apparently you do give a shit..over and over and over...so we can put your claim that you don't where it belongs.

[hrmjustin]

146. Like moths to a flame I enjoy watching your award winning personality.

[skepticscott]

153. Keep practicing

Wit, like any skill, takes time to master. And some just ain't never gonna get it.

But go ahead...keep proving how much you don't give a shit...

[hrmjustin]

155. Ok i will.

[merrily]

159. Jury results

Because not everyone had you on ignore
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=218224

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

COMMENTS

"I know that a lot of people had you on ignore because we talked about you and mocked you behind your back in PMs."

This is probably the lowest post in this thread.

"This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."

Given this thread, that's saying a lot.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 30, 2015, 05:52 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Perhaps the whole exchange should be hidden, but there is no option for that, and I am reluctant to hide just one part. Everybody needs to lighten up.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Another bad alert.

[AtheistCrusader]

162. Oh, but WE are the alert trolls. Very nice. Thank you for posting that.

[merrily]

164. I try to post as many jury results as I reasonably can. Transparency is good.

[AtheistCrusader]

167. Thank you, I appreciate that.

As a rule, I always post mine too, unless it's inside some safe havens, where I'm not sure if my presence is allowed.

[skepticscott]

166. Thanks! And nice try, whoever it was

Probably someone who doesn't give a shit and will deny ever alerting on anything.

[LiberalAndProud]

170. If you'd rather not be back here, the choice is yours.

If, however, you choose to use a safe haven to voice your poor opinion of posters in this group, I suggest we are justified in calling you on it.

[cleanhippie]

176. But then how would he feed the persecution complex?

[AtheistCrusader]

78. Because you wouldn't ridicule or sling accusations of bigotry FROM there would you?

Why don't you self delete a post about it?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12647191#post7

[Leontius]

88. I stand 100% behind my posts in interfaith both of them.

When I see what I think is bigotry and hypocrisy I'll say so in any forum or group I post in.

[AtheistCrusader]

90. At least, until you change your mind and delete it.

[AtheistCrusader]

97. "No results found for acronym GHRTED."

[Leontius]

100. I know. Don't you feel just a little silly getting owned like that.

[AtheistCrusader]

101. No, because I have no idea what you mean.

But if your point was to test the self-delete function, yes, it is still working.

[Leontius]

109. Yeah you do. Enjoy that river trip though.

[AtheistCrusader]

117. Still don't know what you are talking about.

You can PM me if you think it's not something that can be said in public. I don't alert PM's. unless you goatse me or something.

[cleanhippie]

177. Don't you feel a little silly getting 5 hides, again?

How many times does this make now? 4? 5?

Owned? Yes, you did get just that.

[Lordquinton]

111. So when you comment in a thread that contains bigotry and hypocrisy

without calling it out, does that mean you don't view it as such?

[Leontius]

113. Is commenting on something you think is bigoted or hypocritical

not "calling it out"? I'm not clear on what you are trying to say.

[Lordquinton]

114. Let's just watch what bigotry you actually call out

and see where it leads us.

[Leontius]

119. I don't think you want to talk about anyones' bias here because you will lose hands down.

There are a lot of people here who I would not be surprised if they can't walk upright without falling to one side.

[Lordquinton]

126. Interesting viewpont

Please tell us more!

[Leontius]

127. No need to tell more, you already know. You just don't want to admit it. Losing face with

your friends and all that mess. An American masterpiece "Slaughterhouse Five"

[Lordquinton]

128. I think you responded to the wrong person here, that made no sense.

I just want to know if you'll point out Catholic bigotry when it comes up or not. (Or any other Christian/abrhamic/theistic in general, not meaning to be specific, just pointing out the kind that usually gets apologized away)

[Leontius]

129. Is your avatar not Kurt Vonnegut?

I thought it was.

[Lordquinton]

131. Yes, I got that part, but it still makes no sence in context

You were just pulling a quote you found on Google? People like to do that to me as gatekeeping test, I find it rather childish.

[Lordquinton]

173. Wow, what's with the unwarranted hostility?

I was explaining why I overlook references, particularly when it's nestled in an attempt to avoid a direct question. Happened recently in fact, but that person is on a deserved vacation.

[cleanhippie]

181. Could it be uncontrolled impotent rage fueled by a persecution complex?

He got put on time-out. AGAIN. this makes 4 or 5 I think.

I wonder how many time-outs one can get before the tombstoning begins?

[Lordquinton]

183. Oh, that's why he's not responding

Ironic in a thread talking about polite discourse.

[Warren Stupidity]

188. Odd that our theists appear to be the ones who cannot maintain civil discourse.

You would think that with the benefit of the moral guidance of their ancient books of babble they would be better at this.

[AtheistCrusader]

197. Interesting which ones actually seem to be mashing the alert button, too, all the while complaining

about 'alert stalking' and alert 'baiting'.

Veeeery interestink!.

[cleanhippie]

195. Alert results

On Mon Nov 30, 2015, 09:51 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Could it be uncontrolled impotent rage fueled by a persecution complex?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=218283

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Thinly veiled attack on a posters mental state doubled down by a lie . Have just seen a hide for the same thing so is there is there not a standard on DU or is all bias

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon Nov 30, 2015, 10:00 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Silliest, most transparent alert I have seen in a long time. Get over it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What a lame alert. The alert is a thinly veiled attack on the alerted's motives. Can't take the mild heat? Stay out of the discussion.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Unneeded nastiness.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Act_of_Reparation]

210. Gee I wonder who alerted.

Hard to tell with such a distinctive idiom.

[cleanhippie]

212. Lol, at first I thought you wrote "...such a distinctive idiot."

[Act_of_Reparation]

98. Nah.

You guys just seem so happy wrapped in your new warm blanket. It's a little sad though you just got what you want and you can still do nothing but whine and moan. That must really suck.

You wanna know what sucks? Hot dogs packaged by tens and hot dog buns packaged by eights. Seriously, what the fuck is up with that shit?

[AtheistCrusader]

22. I know, right?

That's exactly what I thought when I read the linked thread in the OP.

[Goblinmonger]

24. Funny, I didn't see you post that in the Interfaith thread.

Why is that?

"I'm bored. Let's blame everything on atheists."

[hrmjustin]

25. Edited.

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They did complain.

[skepticscott]

30. Sorry, wrong..yet again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218217603

[hrmjustin]

34. Well i was not around and did not see that.

[skepticscott]

37. So you'll be retracting your last post

as blatantly false, then? Apology forthcoming for such a grotesque misrepresentation of the facts?

[hrmjustin]

40. I feel so ashamed!

How can i possibly live with myself?

[AtheistCrusader]

45. On the floor, apparently.

[hrmjustin]

50. Do you need a hug?

[skepticscott]

52. No

We don't need a rug.

So why?

[AtheistCrusader]

93. No.

[AtheistCrusader]

31. Meaning?

Pretty funny you can only respond to a thread about your meta in your subgroup with MORE meta here.

[hrmjustin]

58. i edited it.

Sorry i got it wrong.

[Warpy]

63. Well, let's not and just say we did

Honestly, if they ever started to split hairs over their own beliefs in there, they'd be at each other's throats and calling for a Grand Inquisitor and auto-da-fe in no time at all. As long as they're attacking the "other," they're on safe ground.

Religious belief depends on consensus. Woe to them the day they find out they don't really have it.

In the meantime, that's one area I stay out of since I'm faithless and godless. I do wish they'd stay out of A&A but realize why they feel compelled to troll for controversy in there.

[Leontius]

68. Well that and to correct factual and historical error.

[hrmjustin]

69. Well this was fun.

Any other questions?

[AtheistCrusader]

80. The OP you are responding to contains precisely zero questions.

[hrmjustin]

83. But you certainly had questions for me in your thread.

[AtheistCrusader]

84. Indeed. And we interacted in those thread forks.

Some reason you needed to start a top-level fork to discuss... unrelated questions?

[hrmjustin]

86. You crack me up.

[AtheistCrusader]

89. And you do not answer questions.

When someone asks a question, it is customary to respond with an answer, if you want to have a dialog at all.

If you didn't want a dialog, why didn't you just ignore this thread?
AH, I know the answer to that question. You wanted to have a voice, even if it is just to deride others. Fine. But now you understand why it needed to be reposted were everyone is ALLOWED to respond to it.

[Leontius]

92. Maybe you should tell your fellow atheists that little tidbit they don't seem to understand it.

[AtheistCrusader]

94. Don't we? Pretty sure we do.

Can you be more specific?

[Leontius]

99. Come on now be honest, you know how often it's done and who does it.

Pot, kettle you know.

[AtheistCrusader]

103. Note I posted this thread in the clear. Where you can comment.

So was the previous related version of it (which I was not aware of either). Posted here, in Religion, not buried in A&A where you couldn't comment.

I don't see any threads reposted by 'your side' from A&A to Religion drawing 'herp derp you're obsessed' comments, but hey, I might have missed them.

[Leontius]

112. What related thread?

I don't repost threads from A/a never have, never plan to.

[AtheistCrusader]

116. That's fine.

Didn't say you had to. But if you had, I don't think anyone would complain. It's certainly happened before, and it's been valid.

The related thread is still on the front page of Religion, with a padlock. (I was not aware this morning)

[Leontius]

124. Well that trash needed to be locked.

[hrmjustin]

125. As does this thread.

[skepticscott]

136. As does El Bryanto's thread in Interfaith, right?

Goose, gander?

Oh, wait...

[hrmjustin]

140. We have no rule against meta.

[AtheistCrusader]

147. And you'd ignore it even if you did.

Just like in Prayer Circle.

Oh please oh please ask me to supply a link, please do.

[hrmjustin]

152. Lol you really are a bitter about being blocked.

Let it go.

[AtheistCrusader]

154. No really. You silence people wherever you can, and then come shit up this thread with meta.

You've consistently refused to make any material response to the OP or any question in this thread. Not one.

You really ought to be looking in a mirror.

[hrmjustin]

158. This is just getting sad now.

I will leave you and your friends to your merrymaking but I have spent more time here then I wanted to today.

[AtheistCrusader]

161. Oh, keep it going. This thread almost has as many responses at the entire front page of interfaith.

Good job snuffing that folder of any content and interaction, by the way.

[AtheistCrusader]

168. No, but you do have a rule against attacking non-faith.

"Criticisms of individual beliefs or non-belief, or debates about the existence of higher power(s) are not appropriate in this group."

Shall I start posting the links of your allies that you do NOT ban?
Let's start here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1264&pid=2667

in·cu·ri·ous.
[inˈkyo͝orēəs]

ADJECTIVE
1.(of a person or their manner) not eager to know something; lacking curiosity.

I asked you what you meant by 'safety' in a relative scale, not even an issue of faith or non-faith, and I got the third degree and the boot right away. Your buddy says shit like that, you do nothing about the rules in your precious SOP.

A behavior I observed in Prayer Circle.

[AtheistCrusader]

143. It's funny. You complain that this environment isn't conducive to discussion for

people in some way on the 'pro' side of religion, yet not only do you want to discuss it in your ban-happy safe haven, you advocate to SILENCE discussion here.

Very odd.

And you question MY motives.

[hrmjustin]

148. Meta is not allowed here. You know this but you did this to bait me and others.

I see right through you.

[AtheistCrusader]

150. I posted a material criticism with sources of an item in that thread.

YOU and compatriots turned it into content-free meta.

You STILL haven't addressed the material of the OP. STILL. How many posts in are you now?

[Warren Stupidity]

209. It is interesting that you think a topic

is just fine when posted in your empty echo chamber where no dissent is tolerated, but the same topic is inappropriate in a forum where open discussion is both tolerated and encouraged.

[hrmjustin]

107. You were trying to bait me.

Stop acting like your motives were pure. They aren't!

[AtheistCrusader]

120. I responded to you in the only avenue open to me after a quorum of interfaith hosts

(you included at the time) decided me asking you what 'safety' means, was a ban-worthy question.

The question I asked, is a common rhetorical tool to examine the concept of 'safety'. It's very old. You didn't even bother looking at my explanation. You can copy/paste it to a search engine, and find hundreds of thousands of hits.

Like now, with your 'baiting' accusation, you are doggedly determined to misconstrue other people's meaning, even when it is easily discoverable that you are making completely wrong assumptions in the same thread. (See post 34)

[hrmjustin]

122. Ypu can try to make any excuse you want but I don't buy it.

Sorru.

[AtheistCrusader]

137. Your loss.

[hrmjustin]

141. Not really.

[AtheistCrusader]

149. Is this where I'm supposed to start typing with my elbows like Leonitus to avoid an awkward pause?

One of is going to have to make a move.

[malokvale77]

171. For some reason this was alerted on.

I'm still waiting on the results. It's been 30 mins.

Update:

On Tue Dec 1, 2015, 01:29 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Is this where I'm supposed to start typing with my elbows like Leonitus to avoid an awkward pause?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=218238

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude and a personal insult of a DU member not the worst but still and insult to a posters intelligence

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Dec 1, 2015, 02:16 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: OP sounds like a shit-stirring dick -- but as far as I know, we don't have rules about that. My vote is to leave it alone.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: very mild, but Atheist Crusader is a serial abuser of other posters on this board. Hide on general principle.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: These alerts are starting to insult my intelligence.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter is wasting the jury's time and also lying/wildly exaggerating by saying the comment is a personal insult (?) insult to intelligence(?)
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The unending attempt to silence atheist dissent on DU has become a serious problem.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

I was #3.

[AtheistCrusader]

199. Thanks for posting that, I was referring to posts #95 and #97.

Leonitus was just mashing random characters and then self-deleting the posts, apparently to make us wonder what he or she was saying. I happened to refresh the page and catch one of the posts, which I quoted in #97. "GHRTED". It seems pretty obviously a random string of characters, posted for no other reason than to hit Self Delete, which he or she does very often of late, apparently to mess with 'us'.

I don't think 'typing with elbows' a mean reference to a random string of characters. Glad the jury realized it. Well, the majority of the jury anyway.

Thank you for posting it!

[cleanhippie]

179. Leontius isn't typing at all for at least a couple weeks. He got put on time-out, again!

How many time-outs does one get before a tombstone?

[trotsky]

192. Aw c'mon cleanhippie, he's just showing everyone what a "good Christian" acts like!

As did the other prolific Religion poster on a mandatory vacation at the moment.

[skepticscott]

174. Oh, yes...you were "baited"

and once you got here, you responded over and over and over and over and over and over and over, even though you refused to respond directly to the OP and had nothing substantial to contribute. You were forced to remain here against your will, poor fellow, is that it?

Sure did take you a long time to realize that you didn't want to have anything to do with this thread, didn't it?

[Act_of_Reparation]

194. The devil made me do it!

This has been Interfaith's schtick from the start. It's your fault they're incapable of restraining themselves.

[skepticscott]

200. Yes, it was the favorite refrain of another poster

every time he got a hide that "his buttons had been pushed". Always the subtle or not-so-subtle attempt to blame others, instead of fully owning up to their own actions and behavior.

[Act_of_Reparation]

203. It's strange, really.

You'd think that the button-pushers would be just as likely to get hides and enforced vacations as those whose buttons had been pushed, assuming the reaction is proportional to the offense.

[bravenak]

207. .

[hrmjustin]

213. Hugs!

[bravenak]

214. Missed you!

[hrmjustin]

215. Missed you too.

Always love reading your posts. I wish I had your eloquence.

[bravenak]

216. And I wish I were nice and calm like you. I get so pissed!

[hrmjustin]

217. Well if you look at my hides you will see I am not always calm

or polite.

But I am glad I didn't get a hide in this thread.

[bravenak]

218. This is the type of stuff I usually ignore, but I saw you.

I'm not religious, so I don't really find myself in these conversations. Looking at it now, I'm kinda glad I skip them.

[hrmjustin]

219. I wish I skipped it but...

... foolishly I didn't.

[bravenak]

220. I get sucked right into stuff all the time. I know what you mean.

[mr blur]

225. What a coincidence you turning up here. Wow just, wow.

[bravenak]

226. Not atheist enough for religion am I?

Or, am I just not welcome. I can leave. Or stay and defend the Faith (that I don't even support!). Whatevs. You know I can take any side of any issue. My very presence can at times cause bitter tears and teeth gnashing, cri du coers and fainting spells, trials and tribulations... I am used to such reactions. They make me laugh.

[skepticscott]

227. Strange you should put it that way

Why would you think that someone had to be an atheist to fit in here? There are only a select few who cling to that discredited meme. One would almost think you had gotten this from one of them, being such an infrequent visitor to the group yourself. But always best to see and judge for oneself, wouldn't you agree?

[bravenak]

229. The instant reaction.

I am noticing they are RIGHT, if that's what you mean. Nothing discredited.

[skepticscott]

232. "They" aren't right about much of anything in this thread

That's the only reason anyone might have trouble fitting in here.

[bravenak]

234. They are right about this group not being my thing.

[skepticscott]

235. Except that none of them said that in this thread

but keep flailing...that fits in here very well, didn't you know?

[bravenak]

236. So only things said here matter? LOL

[skepticscott]

237. Yes, since I said

"They" aren't right about much of anything in this thread

Reading comprehension...it matters.

[bravenak]

239. This thread proves them RIGHT.

[skepticscott]

240. You'll find that repeating the same bullshit without evidence

doesn't make it any more true or any more likely to pass muster. Not in this Group, anyway.

Nor does sitting at your computer and clicking refresh every 15 seconds (wonder which of you learned that from the other?). But keep trying. Your posting style mimics that of lots of former posters here, so you'll fit right in.

[bravenak]

241. .

[cleanhippie]

243. SS-1, Interloper - 0

[cleanhippie]

242. "Right"

[bravenak]

244. They said I would be insulted and treated like crap. Right.

[bravenak]

245. Goodbye Religion Group! Goodbye!

[cleanhippie]

246. You've gotten nothing more than you've asked for.

Confirmation bias is a powerful thing. Doing something you know will get you the reaction you're looking for is hardly being proven "right", and passive-aggressive bullshit isn't taken lightly here. But you knew that.

But if it makes you feel better about yourself, who am I to get in your way.

You have a nice day, I'm done with you.

[bravenak]

247. LOL

[cleanhippie]

248. .

[bravenak]

249. Funniest part?

They said it would be the THEISTS who would be mean to me, lol.

[cleanhippie]

250. No, this is the funniest part.

[bravenak]

251. Ooooooh! I bet you FEEL clever!!

Goodnight! Gotta get to class! Cya!

[cleanhippie]

252. Oh just stop it. You know you don't have any class

to attend.

[AtheistCrusader]

253. Why don't you PM someone about it?

[bravenak]

254. Ohhh, harsh bern.

[AtheistCrusader]

255. High-five

[skepticscott]

256. Let's see now

Constant stream of content-free one-liners. Check

Thinking that use of LOL and makes your posts clever and profound. Check

Obsessive need to get the last word in. Check

Complaining about being bullied and mistreated. Check

You're fitting in fine here.

You've put up how many posts here and how many have had any substance at all? I do hope you didn't just come here at justin's request to try to provoke something. That'd be sad.

[bravenak]

257. Why would Justin ask me to come here?

Okay. Have a good night. Nobody asked me anything.

[hrmjustin]

260. This is so sad. They didn't have anyone to play with and anyone who comes in here now

they get themselves too excited and forget their manners. Not that they had manners before though.

My advice is don't respond to them anymore. It is a game with them to see how much they can bait someone into a hide.

This has nothing to do with religion anymore. It is about personal grudges now.

[Warren Stupidity]

261. You know Justin, calling people "without manners"

while you are sitting on four hides and have had two recent timeouts for being rude seems just a wee bit like you ought to be checking that beam in your eye instead. If you know your bible, that is. Otherwise the reference is to Matthew 7:3 and can also be found in Luke and is a good secular piece of wisdom in the Foly Books.

[hrmjustin]

262. Well my last 3 were deserved. The others not so much but whatever.

Keep going if you need to but you grudges bore me.

[cleanhippie]

264. We "grudges bore you"? Then why do you keep sticking around?

Why do you keep coming back here, only to always end with some 'poor me' line?

What's boring is your tired 'why does everyone pick on me' shtick.

[cleanhippie]

263. " It is about personal grudges now. "

At least you are being honest about your reasons now.

[bravenak]

265. You are so right. No need to deal with such unhappy people.

[skepticscott]

267. for people who have no need to be here

You and justin sure are sticking around a long time and posting a hell of a lot

[malokvale77]

275. My God, My God!

I never enter this group unless I am called to jury.

If I were God him/herself I would smite you for being so pathetic.

Hide that.

[hrmjustin]

276. Do you think I care?

Because I don't.

And I have not sent a jury alert since mid October so I am not going to alert on you little post.

[malokvale77]

277. Care?

I doubt it. I've seen little of it from you.

[hrmjustin]

278. And I less from you.

[malokvale77]

279. You obviously aren't reading my posts. nt

[hrmjustin]

280. I have. Pleasant dreams.

[malokvale77]

281. My dreams, unlike my waking hours...

are always pleasant.

[hrmjustin]

282. Whatever. Enjoy.

[malokvale77]

283. I hope all that compassion isn't hurting too much. nt

[hrmjustin]

284. Your attempt to bait me into my fifth hide is transparent.

You really need to find something else to do with your time.

[malokvale77]

286. I had no idea you were closing in on 5 hides.

I suspect you spend a bit more time on DU than I do. Maybe you should take your own advice. It's a thought.

[hrmjustin]

288. Don't believe you.

[malokvale77]

297. I don't believe you either.

Sorry I missed this one earlier.

[hrmjustin]

298. I don't care and leave me alone.

[AtheistCrusader]

301. Hey, what's going on up in here? Are you still posting in a thread you super don't care about?

[hrmjustin]

285. And you should not talk about compassion after telling me you would smite me If

You were God.

[malokvale77]

287. Your God does a lot of nasty shit.

Smiting you would be the least of it.

[hrmjustin]

289. Nice try to steer away from your own nastiness.

[malokvale77]

290. You might ask yourself...

"What is it about your posts that make replies to you seem so nasty?".

PS: Thanks for continuously kicking this very informative thread.

[hrmjustin]

291. You might ask yourself why you feel the desire to smite me.

You have issues.

[malokvale77]

292. Yes I have issues...

with pathetic whiners.

[hrmjustin]

293. Haunt me no longer!

[malokvale77]

294. LOL. Too funny.

What else you got?

[hrmjustin]

295. This is pointless. We don't care for one another so I think it is time to end this.

Good night.

[malokvale77]

296. OK. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

302. How have you treated people in the past, especially when you wielded mod powers?

[skepticscott]

266. Ummm..because he was having

his head handed to him, and thought you might be able to deflect some of it?

The real question is, why would you just happen to pop into a room you say you hate and never visit, and hang around for so long accomplishing basically nothing?

[skepticscott]

223. Welcome to Religion!

Nice of you to drop in! Justin so rarely invites his friends over, but hopefully you will enjoy your stay...

[bravenak]

224. Religion is not my favorite thing, sorry I can't kick it longer.

But if he needs me to help him... No. Not even then. Sorry Justin!

[Lordquinton]

87. I'm a little disappointed

I thought this would be about how harmful the concept of "Interfaith" is, that in trying to be all inclusive the term specifically excludes atheists from the dialogue.

In trying to fix it, Progressive theists revealed themselves as part of the problem, still waiting for them to figure it out.

[LostOne4Ever]

172. Very true.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]It amazing how many times I see people claiming to be on the left and supporting religious tolerance then turn around and spread misinformation and out right lies about atheists.

Most prominently, thinking that atheism is a religion or belief. It is neither. [/font]

[Act_of_Reparation]

186. I don't know that DU's "Interfaith" is analogus to real world interfaith movements

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While it was alleged that certain personalities here made constructive dialogue between believers of varying religions and their non-believing allies impossible, this was really nothing but pretense.

With the exception of a few posts following its inception, Interfaith has been a veritable ghost town. There is no discussion, no cooperation, no sign of the civilized debate the toxic personalities of the Religion forum were supposedly impeding. They have made no attempt to address problems within their respective religions or build relations with anyone outside their immediate clique. For months, participation there has been relegated to the same handful of people, posting stories which never get more than a few replies. The most active thread they have seen in months is one in which a poster unironically observes the lack of activity here.

I think we've let this little experiment run long enough to conclude that no, it was not the toxic personalities of the Religion forum impeding civilized debate. Let's make make no bones about it: I do not believe the Interfaith group was created in good faith. It exists because a handful of self-righteous and petulant people got called on a bluff.

See, a number of atheists have been excluded from participating in the group. These exclusions were generally not based on anything said or done in Interfaith, but entirely on prior dealings in the Religion Forum. The mods make no bones about this, and readily admit that a number of atheists have been banned from the group based on their behavior in other groups and forums.

But the exclusions are even more suspicious when you consider who hasn't been excluded. If the Interfaith group exists to promote civil dialogue between people of all faiths and people of no faith, and posters can be banned from the group if they have behaved badly in other venues, then it stands to reason we should see several atheists and theists prohibited from participating in that group. But while several theists are currently enjoying the mandatory vacation necessarily entailed by one too many hides within a reasonably long period of time, none of them are restricted from Interfaith. Every single DUer, without exception, banned from Interfaith is an atheist.

So, no. Atheists aren't the problem here, and Interfaith sure as shit is not the solution. The whole thing was horse feathers from the start -- a few people so dedicated to pinning their own nastiness upon the targets of their incivility that they followed this premise to its ineluctable conclusion. They said we were the problem, so we helped get them their own little private Idaho, one they have seen fit not to use.

I would like to think real Interfaith movements -- while I am doubtful of their efficacy -- have purer intentions than vainly justifying bad behavior. I would like to think real Interfaith movements are nothing like the clusterfuck here.

[skepticscott]

187. +1000

Your post should be framed and hung on the wall in Interfaith.

[NeoGreen]

191. I wish I could REC this...

...Testify!...

in a non-denominational and secular manner....

[trotsky]

193. Perfect and beautiful. n/t

[AtheistCrusader]

196. BAM, nailed it.

"These exclusions were generally not based on anything said or done in Interfaith, but entirely on prior dealings in the Religion Forum."

That's exactly it. I had only one other 'exchange' in Interfaith prior, yet the mod said:

"Look, we all know your method of "discussion" and it's far from honest, sincere, and so forth. Twist, obfuscate, and debate, not conversational."

He's not talking about my posts in interfaith. At the time I was banned, I was an active participant in every single thread with more than 10 posts on the front page of Interfaith. None of them, not one, was a 'debate', nor were any arguments going on.

[Act_of_Reparation]

206. Yep. The whole thing is 100% prime cut bullshit.

While I find it petty and dickish that several atheists weren't even given the benefit of the fucking doubt, that it was simply assumed they could not post within the rules of the Interfaith group, that's far from the worst offense. It's the shamefully uneven application of that flawed logic that gets my goat.

If you're going to operate under the premise that your group is a safe haven for anyone, regardless of belief or lack thereof, and it is your policy to preempt potential threats to that tranquility, then it holds that several theists shown to be openly hostile to non-believers should be banned as well. And yet they post there with impunity.

The very premise for the group's existence is a farce of the highest fucking order. It's not about civil discussion or cooperation. It's about in-groups and out-groups, in the most puerile cliquish sense of the terms.

[Lordquinton]

198. I'll be honest

I was looking for the rec button at the bottom.

[NeoGreen]

211. To be honest, this whole discussion could be the result of a "Typo"...

...the intended name for the forum may have been "Intrafaith" and not "Interfaith", i.e. being a place where the hosts get to decide what and who are among the "in group" discussion.

However, not recognizing their naming error until it was too late, the attempt was made to follow an "Interfaith" format and dialog, with varied results.

It is possible...

[edhopper]

178. WOW

This all happened today?

I was out in the fresh air and missed it.

[LostOne4Ever]

180. Still time to join in. IBTL!!!

[cleanhippie]

182. Theres one good thing that come from this.

Check your inbox.

[edhopper]

184. I don't rechoice

The loss of others.
It wouldn't be Christian of me.

[cleanhippie]

185. Lol.

No one likes a Poe, Ed.

[edhopper]

202. What about

"christian" with a small "c".

You know, like "that's mighty white of you."

[cleanhippie]

205. !

[Warren Stupidity]

189. hot mess in religion!

[restorefreedom]

201. based on the names of the groups themselves,

"interfaith" would seem to be a place where people of faith(s) discuss similarities and differences, etc. since aa is not a religion or a faith path, i would imagine aa subjects would not fit in as much in the interfaith group. the "religion" group seems to be more broad based and could include any issue related to religion, including having no religion at all, or having spiritual belief but no religious affiliation. Aa of course would cover most aa topics.

i am new to groups so i guess i missed all of the hulabaloo, but it seems there are places for most people to discuss their interests.

[AtheistCrusader]

204. SOP of the 'interfaith' group indicates both faith and non-faith.

The only real provision is no questioning the religious beliefs of others.

The question that got me banned was asking a general philosophical question about the perception of 'safety' in the wake of the SC church shooting. I didn't question anyone's faith, I questioned their relative perception of safety. Poster indicated they didn't feel safe in a church anymore, and I was essentially asking why they ever felt 'safe' in that place at all.

After all, plenty of churches have been direct victims of violence in the past.

[restorefreedom]

208. just went back and read the pinned "welcome" thread

yes it seems that all matters of faith, including not having faith, are encouraged.

so not only was the post hidden, you were banned? for a period of time? forever?

seems harsh to ban. i would not have voted to hide either but i almost never do. the question of safety within faith seems to be a reasonable topic to discuss on an interfaith board, as each faith probably has a different view of it.

[Warren Stupidity]

228. Oh and at the time the group was being created

our friends categorically rejected a believers only restriction, as at least two of them were maintaining a public front as "good" non believers, which would make such a restriction a bit awkward.

[restorefreedom]

231. just out of curiosity,

is there a believers group? ya know, something like AA but for the believers. i can see how both AA and believers might feel sometimes criticized for their belief/nonbelief. i've seen comments in both directions have been harsh.

i guess as someone who has a foot in each world (dharmic combo with some earth spirituality mixed in but not a traditional abrahamic theist), i like talking to both groups but i understand how people are very connected to their own spirituality or absence of it.

[Warren Stupidity]

233. At least 11 faith groups.

Some specific. Some general.

[skepticscott]

238. And, rather amusingly another group just like Interfaith

Called "Christian Liberals and Progressive People of Faith". Which was already a ghost town at the time Interfaith was formed, but which the Interfaithers refused to make use of, claiming that even mentioning the word "Christian" made that room non-inclusive and unsuitable for their noble purpose.

[Warren Stupidity]

258. And Prayer Circle

which has no specific version of argle-bargle, except one cannot offer a prayer to the FSM nor one for the gods of marijuana. Whining about atheists is ok though.

[AtheistCrusader]

221. It's amazing, all those posts, still no material objection to the OP from the Interfaith audience.

And it's not like you guys can sit there and say you're just flat unwilling to post here. Clearly you're willing.

You're just not willing to address any actual issue.

[skepticscott]

222. Careful...challenging people

to actually discuss things is likely to get you accused of "baiting" again.

[Warren Stupidity]

259. This thread is like manna from heaven.

[Dorian Gray]

268. My initial

response to this entire thread was to complain about the provocation and the (expected) response to provocation. (Whether the provocation be this particular thread or other threads in other groups intentionally talking about people in other groups... blah blah blah.)

Then I realized I read through the entire thread and forgot about the shooting in San Bernardino for a few moments.

And the drama of it all distracted me.

So thank you.

Drama! It keeps Religion interesting.

[skepticscott]

269. And now we have a host in Interfaith

Advocating that Atheists and Agnostics be dissolved and merged into Religion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1264&pid=7263

Maybe he doesn't really mean it. Maybe this is just another expression of bitterness and frustration over the fact that his room can't generate any of the kinds of meaningful discussions the people who started it said they wanted, after failing utterly to get any intellectual traction in a place where disagreement and criticism couldn't just be squashed with a knee-jerk ban.

Well, guess what? If you're not happy with your room, work to make it better, and stop blaming other people for your failure. It's pretty sad when your response to other people having discussions they enjoy in their safe haven (or even in an open forum) when you can't manage it, is to try to mess with them.

[mr blur]

270. His post mentions "a couple of reasonable atheists" -

OK now which of you vermin have been letting the side down by acting like faitheists?

[Iggo]

299. Well he ain't talkin' about me.

[skepticscott]

300. And the irony just gets deeper

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12647191#post37

And really, whatever your intended reasons for posting it, I find it to be the epitome of the nasty anti-theist we try to keep out of this safe-haven.

Thus, my decision now to ask you to self-delete it. I see nothing constructive there, nothing to start up a conversation, but everything to start a fight.

All the while, the very same host is cheering on an anti-atheist OP that had no constructive purpose, and was only intended to complain and insult. Despite their SOP, he apparently sees no need to keep atheist bashing out of their "safe haven".

[AtheistCrusader]

271. Wow, that's petty AND it doesn't make sense. Hey, I tried to drum up some interfaith traffic

in prayer circle, and all I got to show for it was another ban.

[skepticscott]

272. Yes, and one poster there had the nerve

to accuse people here of "spoiling for a fight".

That poster should take note that it was HIS little group that started the "crap on religion room" thread, and that he supports that kind of meta attack behind the walls of a safe haven, as does the host of Interfaith.

You reap what you sow, I think I read somewhere.

[Act_of_Reparation]

273. "Little Lord Fauntleroy sat on his throne..."

"...Little Lord Fauntleroy sat there alone."

[skepticscott]

274. Don't remember readin' that

in the King James...must be in one o' them newfangled buybulls...