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Greatest I am

(235 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:18 PM Nov 2015

Would you vote to disband all religious cults that can only grow their tribes by violence?

Would you vote to disband all religious cults that can only grow their tribes by violence?

When Christianity became a true religion of jihad and Yahweh a true God of War, --- as well as a state religion that none could ignore or stay out of, --- the doom of all religious and political free thinking was to be discouraged with death. Islam and Christianity thus both have in common the fact that both were born from War. Not conquest by positive example or showing a better social system.

Thus Constantine and Christianity became co-tyrants to the Western peoples.

The champions of the mystery schools were dominated by Gnostic Christian sects. The best heretics so to speak.

If Gnostic Christian sects were the best of the free thinkers, and today most of the world professes to be freedom seekers and free thinkers, then why is Gnostic Christianity not the largest religious group in any crowd?

At the end of the movie, ---God on trial, --- Jews who had found God guilty of breaking his covenant, and thus recognizing God’s evil nature, those who survived came away praying to God. I see that as a great fear of not having a God. This would be quite idiotic if not for the fact that to the old Jewry, God was a man.

What man having faith in God truly is, is man having faith in himself. Think Jewish Divine Council.

We are natural animals. An animal’s bias always favors it’s own. A man’s God can never be other than what his own Father Complex tells him what characteristic his ideal God should have. These character traits will always be what a man has. Man in God’s image is the same as saying God in man’s image.

Why do cults like Catholics, Protestant Christian, Evangelicals and Islam all try to take man’s inheritance of being the greatest force on the earth away from men?

Why do these immoral, homophobic and horribly misogynistic cults persist in trying to force their God down the throats of free men and women?

Why do free people allow such cults to even exist when all they want is death to all free thinking?

Separation of state and church must be maintained worldwide as all who want theocracies are using war to get it. These are all Catholics, Protestant Christians, Evangelicals and Islam. War mongers all.

I would vote to disband all cults like Catholics, Protestant Christians, Evangelicals and Islam who work against freedom and can only grow their tribes by violence and not good example of good living.

Would you vote against such a proposition and maintain the status quo of having these homophobic and misogynous cults continue to slow our evolution to civilization?



Regards
DL
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Would you vote to disband all religious cults that can only grow their tribes by violence? (Original Post) Greatest I am Nov 2015 OP
No. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #1
Ban? No. But we should marginalize those that tout their belief as bonafides. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #2
Banning any religon is a violaton of basic human rights. Using violence falls under law enforcement. Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #3
using violence = law enforcement nt msongs Nov 2015 #5
violance falls under law enforcement, as in killing or coercing through violence is illegal Agnosticsherbet Nov 2015 #6
There's a hitch in your git-along called separation of church and state. shraby Nov 2015 #4
Since your intial claim is wrong not to mention your subsequent arguments Leontius Nov 2015 #7
Says the guy that thinks Ken Ham is spot on. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #11
Why do you continue to post things that are untrue about my postions? Leontius Nov 2015 #13
Your words of agreement with Ham on creationism are there for all to see. cleanhippie Nov 2015 #15
Show those words of agreement with his stated belief in a literal truth to Leontius Nov 2015 #16
24 hours and still silence Leontius Nov 2015 #20
48 hours and still silence Leontius Nov 2015 #21
You realize you're replying to your own post, right? trotsky Nov 2015 #22
72 hours and still silence Leontius Nov 2015 #23
Are you saying you do not believe the words of the Bible? Yorktown Nov 2015 #25
96 hours and still silence. Leontius Nov 2015 #27
120 hours and still silence Leontius Nov 2015 #28
144 hours and still silence. Leontius Nov 2015 #31
168 hours and still silence. Leontius Nov 2015 #32
8 days and still silence Leontius Nov 2015 #33
I would disband hate fringe groups + teach skepticism at school Yorktown Nov 2015 #8
That would be a violation of the separation of church and state. cpwm17 Nov 2015 #17
Nope. Yorktown Nov 2015 #18
So let's say you succeed with your gnostic Christian fantasy and have this "vote." trotsky Nov 2015 #9
Gnostic Christians edhopper Nov 2015 #10
And what happens if people consider gnosticism a "homophobic and mysogenous [sic] cult"? Act_of_Reparation Nov 2015 #12
You can't effectively ban a system of thought or belief. gcomeau Nov 2015 #14
Not sure if there are any. goldent Nov 2015 #19
No, just violence. mmonk Nov 2015 #24
I still believe in the separation of church and state. LiberalAndProud Nov 2015 #26
No, but I would vote on religious ideologies become part of the curriculum that students from AuntPatsy Nov 2015 #29
no Marrah_G Nov 2015 #30

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
2. Ban? No. But we should marginalize those that tout their belief as bonafides.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:35 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone that uses their religion as a demonstration of how "good" they or their religion is, should be shunned from public policy discussions.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. Banning any religon is a violaton of basic human rights. Using violence falls under law enforcement.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

I think people should be allowed to believe any thing they want. No one should be allowed to force someone else to believe the same thing.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
6. violance falls under law enforcement, as in killing or coercing through violence is illegal
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:31 PM
Nov 2015

People can believe what they want.

Even those who believe they have a right to force others to follow their religious laws through violence, we have other means to stop that.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
7. Since your intial claim is wrong not to mention your subsequent arguments
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:11 PM
Nov 2015

it's hard to give your view credence.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
13. Why do you continue to post things that are untrue about my postions?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

I know why but you have a chance to explain your continued action here and now for the uninformed. Most people don't like to be caught lying, how about you?

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
16. Show those words of agreement with his stated belief in a literal truth to
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 07:02 PM
Nov 2015

the creation myth in Genesis.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
22. You realize you're replying to your own post, right?
Fri Nov 13, 2015, 04:33 PM
Nov 2015


You believe your god created the universe. You're a creationist. Ken Ham is also a creationist. You and he may disagree on the technicalities of when and how, but you agree on the basic notion that it took an outside agent - specifically the Christian god - to bring the universe into existence.

Now how about you show everyone how a decent Christian should behave?
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
8. I would disband hate fringe groups + teach skepticism at school
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

1/ fundamentalists preaching hate should be shut down.

2/ teach evolution and the inexistence of Noah/Moses in schools.

That, plus increasingly mass education, should mow religion down.

Hopefully.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
17. That would be a violation of the separation of church and state.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:38 PM
Nov 2015

We live in what should be a free country. The government needs to stay neutral on religious matters.

If our schools teach good science and history, the students can draw their own conclusions on the reality of religious claims.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
18. Nope.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 01:55 AM
Nov 2015

Some schools present the different religious ideologies. If they do, secularism should be included, and part of the secularist platform should mention secularists point out there is no evidence for some Abrahamic stories, including Abraham and Moses. It should also include the fact secularists mention Darwinian evolution has scientific backup while statingg they see no evidence for creationism.

That's Free Speech on par with the presentation of established cults (*) in school.

(*: like Christianity, Islam and Hinduism)

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
9. So let's say you succeed with your gnostic Christian fantasy and have this "vote."
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 08:49 AM
Nov 2015

And it's voted to get rid of the other religions. How do you do it? Do you have to use violence to grow your tribe? Ooops!

edhopper

(33,584 posts)
10. Gnostic Christians
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:05 AM
Nov 2015

still believe in a divine Jesus, and other supernatural shit, so why would I give them more credence than any other believers.

Look, I think the Amish are batshit crazy in their beliefs, they just happen to be pacifist and insular, and therefore easier to live with.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
14. You can't effectively ban a system of thought or belief.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:00 PM
Nov 2015

You can ban the violence.... but of course we kinda already do that.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
26. I still believe in the separation of church and state.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:46 PM
Nov 2015

Banning a religion only serves to make it clandestine and drive it underground. It doesn't eliminate the religion, but adds to the persecution patina. What would be the point of a legal ban? We should hope to change minds, not legislation.

AuntPatsy

(9,904 posts)
29. No, but I would vote on religious ideologies become part of the curriculum that students from
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 10:24 PM
Nov 2015

a young age can be taught....

Our youth are so much smarter than we give them credit for, they should not be denied the truth...or at least be able to determine what feels true for them after knowing all the facts....not made up mythologies...

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