Pat Robertson: Gays and the Christians Who Accept Them Will Rot In Hell

[TexasTowelie]

Televangelist troll Pat Robertson isn’t expecting to meet any gay-loving Christians in heaven, as his recent answer to a viewer question seems to suggest.

Said Robertson:

To have a church that says {homosexuality} is not a sin, it’s okay, they’re leading people down a road to perdition which is a shame but if I were you I’d stay far away from them.

Robertson also recently lumped same-sex marriage into the “flood of evil” that is destroying America today. Good stuff.

http://www.towleroad.com/2015/08/pat-robertson-gays-and-the-christians-who-accept-them-will-rot-in-hell-video/

Cross-posted in the LGBT Group.

[Promethean]

1. Pat Robertson is a genuine believer

who follows the teachings of a perfectly legitimate ideology that we cannot criticize.

[trotsky]

4. You are correct.

That is where uncritical "respect" for religious beliefs leads us. Instead, ALL ideas must be fair game to criticize and call bullshit if one so desires.

[stone space]

6. Oh, good grief!

Pat Robertson is a genuine believer who follows the teachings of a perfectly legitimate ideology that we cannot criticize.

[Promethean]

8. Oh come now.

You have been here long enough to see the conversations. How there are those who immediately jump to extremes whenever one of us brings any criticism against religion. Just yesterday the word bigot was thrown. This is my counter to that. It is meant to show the obvious glaring problem with the position that religion should be free from challenge.

[stone space]

9. It was thrown just today against Fr. Phillip Berrigan.

Just yesterday the word bigot was thrown.

His "crime" seems to be criticizing the Christian Right using religious language. For that Fr. Berrigan was called a bigot.

(See my post below. It contains the full text of the statement for which Fr. Berrigan was called a bigot.)

So, yes. I do see it.

Here's one of them telling us that there is no counterargument to the KKK.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1218206919#post12

[Goblinmonger]

10. Nope. Soon you'll get it right.

trotsky said he was a bigot because he said that the Christian Right weren't Christians. Plenty here in Religion have claimed that to be bigotry.

[stone space]

11. Fr. Berrigan was no bigot.

trotsky said he was a bigot because he said that the Christian Right weren't Christians.

[AtheistCrusader]

12. By some standards he was.

Not necessarily my standard, but some here in this group.

Personally, I can't tell the difference between the validity of the theological claims of your Berrigan, and messir Robertson. They both have precisely the same validity, evidence, and credence from a religious perspective.

[stone space]

15. Who here, besides Trosqui, considers Fr. Berrigan a bigot? This is DU.

By some standards he was. Not necessarily my standard, but some here in this group.

[AtheistCrusader]

17. If I accept the standard as insisted upon not that long ago,

everyone would have to, yes?

Did you really miss all discussion of this issue, and have you no idea who/what we are referring to?

[stone space]

18. Who? You used the word "some".

Who here (besides Trotsky, of course) claims that Fr. Berrigan is a bigot?

Your post above implies that there is more than one person here at DU who believes that Fr. Berrigan is a bigot.

That's an extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence, like a second name, for example.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Who could possibly have had trouble accepting that different people interpret religion differently?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=208290

Berrigan is defining Christianity for a group of people of which he is not a part. What say you now?


This thread amused me as well, in my searching.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=198900

[stone space]

20. Only the first link is from me.

I stand by my words in that post. The KKK had not earned my respect. (Want to make a guess about my level of respect for Pat Robinson?)

I'll take Rev. Pinckney's Christianity over the so-called Christianity of the KKK.

Now, do you have a second name, or do you concede that Trotsky is pretty much standing all alone here at DU in his claim that Fr. Berrigan is a bigot?

I don't see anybody eager to rush to defend his idiotic claim.

Do you?

Is there a second person here who actually believes that Fr. Berrigan is a bigot because of what he said about the Christian Right?

[Promethean]

16. Its telling how he jumped onto a single word

that was entirely secondary to the main point and just kept drilling it and avoiding the overall point entirely. Yet they wonder why we call them dishonest when such a tactic is clearly so.

[Angry Dragon]

7. Where did those people come from that god sent Cain to live with??

My religion teaches me that republicans should be rounded up and put in camps in the Sahara Desert ..............

[Indydem]

2. Pretty sure Pat has that all locked up.

He will be the guy at the head of the line.

The asshole.

[safeinOhio]

3. Ole Pat is worth $100 million.

I think he might be worshipping 2 gods.

Didn't Jesus say if you want to follow him, sell everything you own and give it to the poor.

[AtheistCrusader]

13. Tax shelters need money too, yo.

[Mariana]

21. Jesus said that to one guy

who asked what he, himself, should do. I don't think that particular guy was Pat Robertson.

Jesus also told his disciples to sell their stuff and use the money to buy weapons.

[stone space]

5. Fr. Phil Berrigan had a few choice words to say about the "so-called Christian Right".

Fighting the Lamb's War: Skirmishes with the American Empire.

The Autobiography of Phillip Berrigan, with Fred A. Wilcox

(from page 219 of the 1996 edition.)

My critics say that I must "Love or Leave" America. I have never considered becoming an expatriate. This is my country. I was born and raised here. The United States has fostered and nourished me. And even though the government does not represent the people, this country belongs to us.

People talk about taking the country back from the usurpers, but what does this mean? In the name of liberty and justice, Pat Buchanan and friends want to establish an Old Testament Theocracy. In their ideal world the state will not only be God’s representative on earth; the state will be God. Persecuting the poor, abolishing Affirmative Action, building more prisons, executing more prisoners, expanding police powers, burning books, denying gay men and women jobs, fanning the fires of bigotry and hate, nourishing the addiction to war; all this will be an expression of God’s will.

How anyone can claim to be a Christian and believe these things is beyond comprehension. The God of the so-called Christian Right is a God of hate, not love; revenge, not forgiveness; death, not life. Such a God is bigoted and spiteful, a misogynist who inflicts pain and misery on the human family. The Christian Right’s vision stems neither from the Bible nor the Constitution, but from the dark and frightened recesses of the human psyche.

As for myself, I continue to resist because there is no alternative. I will not join the establishment. That would be deeply repugnant to me. I intend to stay here, witnessing against violence and madness, obsession with property and glorification of privilege.

Plowshare activists go to jail in order to resist the empire. We are innocent, but there is no other way to make our statement. We make it publicly, in court, before the press and anyone who cares to listen. We do not choose to go to prison. That is the government’s decision. We violate unjust laws, and take the consequences, whatever they may be. But our submission doesn’t mean that we respect the corrupt judicial system. We go to prison for our nonviolent beliefs, not because we accept the empire’s rules.

I remember one quotation from the Book of John, where Jesus says something like, “If they hate me, they will hate you also.” The implication; if they do not hate you, you are not living the life you profess to live. That is, following me.”

Two thousand years have passed, and Caesar reigns. The military occupies our country, a hierarchy of the rich and powerful controls the people’s lives, taxing the poor, beating, jailing, killing, those who resist imperial policies.

For over a period of two thousand years, the Bible has been largely ignored or defiled. The life of Christ is not preached by the established church, and it is not lived by many Christians; not to be wondered that so many “Christians” despise the poor and support the military.

[AtheistCrusader]

14. The god of the old testament is a god of hate.

How anyone can claim to be a Christian and believe these things is beyond comprehension. The God of the so-called Christian Right is a God of hate, not love; revenge, not forgiveness; death, not life. Such a God is bigoted and spiteful, a misogynist who inflicts pain and misery on the human family. The Christian Right’s vision stems neither from the Bible nor the Constitution, but from the dark and frightened recesses of the human psyche.

The god of the old testament fits the bill perfectly for every single attribute listed. Perfectly.

The god of the old testament is the same god as that of the new.

So no, it's not incomprehensible to me. The right wing championing a god of hate seems like 'working as intended'.

[struggle4progress]

23. Your claim "The god of the old testament is a god of hate" is a slander against Judaism:

those old texts are filled with humanistic ideas

[AtheistCrusader]

24. Like hell it is.

The god of the old testament murdered all the known extent of humanity but (the text claims) Noah and his family. So yeah, a god of hate. Genocide isn't usually a loving thing.

The old testament is replete with horrible, horrible shit. Do we really need to go there? Forcing rapists to marry their victims? Yeah, that's in there. Does it get much more vicious than that?

The god of the old testament ordered the wholesale slaughter of the Hittites, Girgashites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and the Jebusites. Take their land, and kill them all, so claim the writers of the texts included in the old testament, documenting their claimed will of god.

So yeah. God of hate. No slur against Judaism. A slur is an insult. Saying the god of the old testament was a god of hate is a statement of fact. Ethnic cleansing isn't just an act of hate, it sort of makes you an asshole too.

[struggle4progress]

22. The story I remember about hell wasn't about homosexuality:

A rich man dressed in fine clothes and lived in constant luxury

At his gate lay a beggar, covered with scabs, hoping to eat whatever fell from the rich man’s table: the dogs came and licked at his sores

Finally the beggar died; and the angels carried him to Abraham

And the rich man also died and was buried

From hell, he looked up in torment; and far away he saw Abraham beside Lazarus

So he called out: ‘Father Abraham, be merciful! Tell Lazarus to dip his fingertip in water, and send him cool my tongue, because I am in agony here in this fire!’

But Abraham answered, ‘In your lifetime you received the good things and Lazarus only the bad thing; yet now he is comforted and you are in agony. Between us and you, there is a great chasm: those who want to visit you from here, cannot; nor can anyone cross over from where your place to ours’

The rich man pleaded, ‘Send Lazarus to my five brothers! And have him warn them, so that they do not also come here to this torment’

Abraham replied, ‘Moses and the Prophets came! Let them listen to them’

The rich man said, ‘But they will surely repent if someone from the dead visits’

‘No,’ Abraham told him ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, not even someone rising from the dead could convince them’

[LeftishBrit]

25. If I believed in an afterlife...

I would be commenting that Pat Robertson probably isn't going to be meeting anyone at all in heaven, but in quite a different place!

As it is, I think he will just die like everyone else, and, sadly, will leave mainly bad memories and harmful effects behind him.

[ladjf]

26. And he knows this how? nt

[brooklynite]

28. Well, god talks to him, remember?

Remember when he was told Romney would be the next President?

[brooklynite]

27. Whew! That lets me out...

...since I'm not a Christian.

[Iggo]

29. @ Pat Robertson

:middlefinger:

[cleanhippie]

30. Robertson is the gift that keeps on giving.