Police: Mom in Murder Case Says Sent 2 Kids to Heaven

[Warren Stupidity]

A woman charged Wednesday with murder in the deaths of her two children allegedly said in a note found near their bodies that she was sending them to heaven, according to court documents.

LeRoya Moore was arrested when she was discharged from a hospital where she had been treated for arm injuries that appeared to be self-inflicted on the day the children were found dead in their East Haven home, police said. The house was filled with natural gas but the cause of death has not been announced yet.

The note attributed to Moore said the children had ice cream and ate their favorite things before they died.

"I'm sure there's an expert somewhere that will say the children suffered, but I let them know they were very much loved and they were going to heaven," the letter said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mom-charged-murder-kids-deaths-home-full-gas-31673318

[xfundy]

1. Some here apparently believe any form of belief is valid.

This is only one direct example of how one's theology can directly hurt others.

I wish I could say I'm shocked by this, but it happens too often.

[Yorktown]

2. religion usually is a milder form of delusion

When it mixes with mental illness, the results aren't pretty.

[struggle4progress]

3. East Haven Woman Told Police She Killed Children

By Alaine Griffin and Josh Kovner

... The state Child Advocate's Office is investigating why child-protection authorities did not maintain supervision of Moore after her 2014 arrest for allegedly assaulting her ex-husband in front of the children.

Child Advocate Sarah Eagan questioned why the Department of Children and Families appears to have closed its file on Moore after the September 2014 assault case, despite Moore's history of child-endangerment charges, including a 2006 conviction for risk of injury to a minor, as well as the termination of parental rights for two children from previous relationships ...

Moore, who went by her maiden name of LeRoya White in December 2006, pleaded guilty to a felony charge of risk of injury to a minor in connection with beatings she administered to a daughter from a previous relationship, who was 4 years old at the time ...

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-east-haven-child-deaths-mother-charged-20150610-story.html#page=1

[struggle4progress]

4. DCF Investigated For Lack of Supervision Involving East Haven Mother: Report

By BRIAN MCCREADY (Patch Staff)
June 5, 2015

... in September 2014 ... Moore allegedly assaulted her ex-husband Michael Moore in front of their kids magnet school in New Haven. LeRoya Moore allegedly struck her ex-spouse three times with a “clenched fist” while in the presence of the two children. Those criminal charges are pending. There were reports of “suspected abuse or neglect” of the two youths as recent as the fall of 2014 ... The state Child Advocate’s Office says it doesn’t appear there was any follow up by DCF. DCF officials told the Courant they too are investigating. In 2006 LeRoya Moore had two other children removed from her custody after she repeatedly beat her 4-year-old daughter with the handle of a sponge mop. LeRoya Moore’s daughter said she was beaten for spilling juice and screaming ... A 911 call released Wednesday revealed that LeRoya Moore was suicidal before the incident ...

http://patch.com/connecticut/easthaven/dcf-investigated-lack-supervision-involving-east-haven-mother-report

[struggle4progress]

5. East Haven Mother Of Dead Children Had June Court Date

June 5, 2015 8:42 AM

... She was charged in April with assaulting Michael Moore last year ...

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/06/05/east-haven-mother-of-dead-children-had-june-court-date/

[struggle4progress]

6. Connecticut police release 911 call made before two children were found dead

BY RICHARD WEIZEL
JUNE 03, 2015

... East Haven police released the 911 recording of the unidentified woman pleading for help because she could not get into her friend's locked home on Tuesday afternoon.

She said on the tape she was outside the house trying to enter because the children's mother had threatened to commit suicide and said she had already cut herself.

"My friend sent me a letter that she was going to kill herself and that her mom was the beneficiary," the friend, crying and sounding panicked, told the police dispatcher.

"They're lying down in the house. The door is locked," she told the dispatcher ...

http://www.phillyvoice.com/police-release-911-call-2-children-found-dead/

[Leontius]

7. Oh come on now they had a perfectly good 'religion is evil see what it caused' thread going

then you come along with articles about her previous violence and possible mental problems. Why are you such a killjoy?

[Warren Stupidity]

9. Do you believe that you go to heaven when you die?

[struggle4progress]

23. Does this woman think she'll go to heaven when she dies?

"... if I burn for eternity I'll know why I deserve it ..."

[Warren Stupidity]

24. No she sacrificed that opportunity for the sake of her children.

Do you believe you go to heaven when you die?

[struggle4progress]

29. How reliable are her accounts?

... When police asked where the children were located, she said, "I stabbed them, I released them" and nodded when asked if she hurt her children ...
"I Stabbed Them, I Released Them": East Haven Mom Charged With Her Children's Murder

... there were no signs of blunt force trauma or puncture wounds ...
Police: Connecticut mom feeds children ice cream, then kills them
By Dan Taylor, National Monitor | June 11, 2015

... The chief medical examiner believes the children may have been poisoned ...
Fundraiser held to raise money for murdered East Haven children
Posted: Jun 11, 2015 2:56 PM EDT Updated: Jun 11, 2015 5:30 PM EDT
By Rob Polansky

[Warren Stupidity]

31. do you believe you go to heaven when you die?

[struggle4progress]

32. My opinion on the subject is, I suppose, so far as I actually have any opinion,

somewhat along the following lines:

(1) when I die, I "go" nowhere, much as a candle flame "goes" nowhere when the candle stops burning; and
(2) I hope that on "the very last day," I will somehow be reconstituted as a conscious body, and that I will somehow be found to have something "real" worth preserving

Neither (1) nor (2) is a scientific theory: the ideas represent a sort of metaphysical distillation of the choices I would like to make while living my life.

[edhopper]

16. It was established that she was mentally ill

but none of your articles talk about her beliefs (other than the sent to heaven comment)
So we don't know how much her beliefs affected her illness.
Did her beliefs in the end give her justification to kill her children? Her statement makes it seem so.
Or do you discount any and all religious context in this?

[struggle4progress]

22. She's already pleaded guilty to beating a four year old; two children have already been removed

from her custody; and she's due in court on 22 June for an assault. There's a suicide note, and medical evidence of a suicide attempt, associated with the killing of the children

[edhopper]

25. So we disregard the children in heaven

quote completely and say her beliefs are beside the point. Nothing to discuss then.

[Act_of_Reparation]

30. You got it.

This is a road we've been down before.

Delusion, apparently, is novel; pure creation of the afflicted mind. It's all 100% original, not influenced, syncretic, or otherwise related to common stories and myths with which were inundated as children, and continue to see referenced all around us adults.

[Person 2713]

26. So if a mentally ill person says they believe Obama sent them a secret message to kill a child

Folks should blame or scorn Obama?
Wait
Yes many would I guess now that I think about it
Thanks Obama!

I will not use the example of ISIS bad so Islam bad because from what I have seen on DU of course many would agree to that false reasoning here just because it involves a religion

I am not in any way religious but the lack of logic in many parts of this thread is creepy and ignores an illness

Believing the beliefs of the mentally ill are to blame not the illness is a wacko nut belief itself imo

[Warren Stupidity]

27. you left out some parts of the analogy, and the other parts you got wrong.

and this person attended meetings hosted by an organization that taught them that Obama sends secret messages, that we should always obey Obama's commands, and that when you die you go to a happy place - you left that part out. And also there is an Obama, we can see him, he is real, we can test that reality. So you have to substitute an untestable imaginary entity, the easter bunny for example. And finally, don't blame the easter bunny, the easter bunny is non-present, you have to blame the organizations that promote the nonsense that the easter bunny sends us secret messages that have to be obeyed.

So to answer your corrected analogy: yes.

[edhopper]

28. Thanks Warren

I couldn't have said it better.

[Warren Stupidity]

8. This news article seems to set off a google gish gallup.

Interesting.

[trotsky]

10. Glad it's hidden for me.

I don't need to see faithsplaining any more than posters in the African American group need someone dumping a bunch of whitesplaining on them.

[Lordquinton]

21. Set of a Gallup for sure

Anyone gonna tell him that American Pharoah won the tripple crown already?

[AtheistCrusader]

11. I think it says something interesting about her state of mind

That she took the time to stop and insist that she sent them to what she believed to be a better place.

[trotsky]

12. Would she have still killed them if she didn't have the mythical framework to support that?

Maybe, I suppose. We can never be sure. But we do know the framework was there, and she cited it as justification/rationalization. Taking these myths seriously (or encouraging others to go right ahead and take them seriously) has consequences.

[Warren Stupidity]

13. How do the believers who insist there is no hell, that we all go to heaven,

and that heaven is "paradise" dispute that this woman did something good?

[cleanhippie]

14. They're not concerned about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=204000

[Warren Stupidity]

15. right. Forgot. thinking about belief is difficult.

[cleanhippie]

17. Well, thinking about belief leads to questions about belief. And questions about belief lead to...

Gotta protect that belief.

At. All. Cost.

[trotsky]

18. I dunno, I've often wondered that myself.

That same logic was employed by crusaders as they were slaughtering innocents. It represents a fatal flaw in traditional Christian theology that most appear never to have considered at all. Suicide applies here as well, the only response for that has been the RCC's labeling of it as a mortal sin, so if you do it, you're guaranteed NOT to go to heaven. Supposedly.

[AtheistCrusader]

19. Maybe not.

Clearly it was important to her, even in that state, that the children be better off murdered.

Take away the idea of a promise of a better state post-death, perhaps that concern she DID display, would have stayed her hand.

She seems convinced that heaven is real, that you can got there , and that it is better than here.

Small surprise she killed them, really. If that's your core belief, it's a small rationalization to leap to ending this life

[trotsky]

20. Correct, and that is the real danger of unsupported beliefs. n/t