Embrace Judeo-Christian culture and values! Is this politician serious?

[Greatest I am]

Embrace Judeo-Christian culture and values! Is this politician serious?

The apostle’s creed shows that Christianity is based on having to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that the guilty should be forgiven if a suitable human sacrifice is made to God.

I suggest that having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. Immoral regardless of the victim volunteering or not which is not the case with Jesus.

That is one of many moral tenets that have cause secular governments to reject Judeo-Christian culture and values.

The bible is a compilation of evil acts by a satanic God and no moral man would every push to have Judeo-Christian culture and values implemented as our law. The U.S. is the closes to that ideal and their jail statistics are the most dismal in the free world.

Would you promote Judeo-Christian culture and values?

Regards
DL

[hrmjustin]

1. My values are not barbaric thank you very much! n/t.

[edhopper]

8. But i would contend

your values are shaped by the Enlightenment as much as they are the Bible.

I would guess you don't think the Bible should be the basis of our laws or that the Church has a say in government policy.

[hrmjustin]

9. No I don't think it should be law. If it was I would be executed.

[edhopper]

11. Exactly

I would think you disagree with this politician.

And I don't know that you have Jude-Chrisitain values.

Now, I am very sure you can point to places of Jesus saying something to explain your values, but I am also sure you reject other things in the Bible. And you can't be sure what the Bible actually tells you to value.
So your values come from a variety of sources, like most of us, and you try to go forward as well as you can.

[hrmjustin]

12. Judeo-Christian values should not be read as literal conserv a tive values always.

I identify with the term as well.

[edhopper]

13. It would be hard to say exactly what they are.

I was just pointing out that your values are only somewhat shaped by the Bible.

[hrmjustin]

14. That is fair to say.

[cleanhippie]

18. Just what are "Judeo-Christian values" then?

[hrmjustin]

19. Love. The Golden rule.

[cleanhippie]

20. That's hardly "Judeo-Christian".

Try again.

[hrmjustin]

21. Your opinion. no thanks!

[cleanhippie]

24. Seriously? You think that love and The Golden Rule come from your religion?

Perhaps your response should have been "Facts. no thanks!"

[hrmjustin]

25. I said thats what it is about, not invented by it.

Try reading what I wrote.

[cleanhippie]

29. Your opinion. no thanks!

[hrmjustin]

31. .

[stone space]

22. I get told the same thing when...

...I describe my atheist values.

What is your favorite color?

[whathehell]

26. Correct -- Thank you.

[hrmjustin]

27. You're welcome!

[whathehell]

30. -------

[truebrit71]

2. No. This particular politician is bigoted arsehole...

... using a 'christian' message to justify hatred of immigrants, and other miscellaneous folks that aren't white...

There is nothing remotely "christ-like" about him, or his party of ignorant, racist fuckwads...

[rug]

3. Sure. Of course, they're not what you state.

[Greatest I am]

15. Where

do I ere?

Is Jesus and his death at his fathers hands for us not what Christianity is based on?

Yes it is. Take Jesus off the cross and he is nothing.

That is why Christianity flies the cross.

Regards
DL

[whathehell]

28. The preachings of Jesus are worthwhile even WITHOUT the cross, sorry. n/t

[TM99]

4. Why are so many New Atheists today such literalists?

[skepticscott]

5. Why do so many faitheists here

try to paint atheists as "literalists" simply for pointing out the plain truth that a lot of Christians take portions of the Bible literally, and that those who claim that Christian literalists are a teensy little minority are dead wrong? Do you really think that the people you're trying to smear think that any of the Bible is the literal word of god? Seriously? if so, you're guilty of grotesque intellectual dishonesty or just plain laziness.

[AtheistCrusader]

7. Why does your book embarrass you?

[hrmjustin]

10. Your book?what is his book?

[Greatest I am]

16. I don't know. I am not one but

to engage literalists, one must play by their rules.

Do you think that only atheists see substitutionary atonement for the immoral practice that it is?

Regards
DL

[TM99]

17. I disagree.

Why would you have to 'play by their rules'?

If someone is being literalistic about something, must you respond with literalism?

For example, with regards to substitutionary atonement, if we take it literally, then yes, it appears to be an immoral practice. Let us sacrifice one life for the sake of others salvation. The literal act of crucifixion is horrific.

Now if we instead view substitutionary atonement as a metaphor or even an archetypal reality, we can then see that it is less horrific and more empathic. We see voluntary sacrifice for the good of others. The scapegoat is a universal concept in the religious traditions of the west dating back to early Jewish pagan practices.

We may also see an example of heroism in such an act of atonement. How many firemen risked their lives and ultimately died trying to save as many as they could at ground zero on 9/11? Their sacrifices allowed others to live.

The problem with literalistic beliefs in religion is that they do veer us away from the universal and the human psychological condition, and instead head towards horror, separateness, and the immoral. If we counter them with equal forms of literalism, then the same will occur on that side. Did the anti-theist man in NC who murdered three Muslims respond with literal anti-theism against what he viewed as literal Islamic terrorism?

[Greatest I am]

23. I agree with you even

as your scenario was not exact.

I target literalists because they are the ones creating the problem with their literal beliefs.

I do not target those who already think in a better way.

I look for the sick. Not the well.

Remember as well that most Christians have to believe in a literal Jesus even if they do not read anything else literally.

All who fly the cross are morally corrupted.

Regards
DL

[whathehell]

33. "All who fly the cross are morally corrupted" -- but not the Star of David or Red Crescent?

Bigoted much?

[TM99]

34. I take it you are not an atheist from birth.

Were you raised in a strict religious family or region? Have you suffered because of it? Are you filled with rage and hurt? Where you once an evangelical believer and now a born-again atheist?

The reason I ask these questions is that you sound no different than a extremist on the other side.

You consider all who are Christian to be morally corrupt. You look for 'sickness' as you define it and associate 'sickness' with religion.

You target the opposition. And in a companion thread, you want government to destroy the Bible and the Qu'ran.

You are no different!

[cbayer]

35. He has actually encouraged vigilantes to go after the pope "and his ilk".

Scary stuff, imo.

[Act_of_Reparation]

36. Why do you assume the poster is an atheist?

They were here a few months back extolling the virtues of Gnosticism.

[cbayer]

37. That's a good question. I'm not clear where he puts himself.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. When I hear someone mewling about judeo-christian culture and values, I keep my hand

firmly on my wallet, and back slowly the other way while keeping an eye on them.

[saltpoint]

32. Do we get to pick which Judeo-Christian values?

Cuz if we do I want to have another Great Flood that destroys millions.

What's not to like about that?

And there's some other neat stuff in that Bible we could try. Although we need to try 'em before we do the great flood.

[cbayer]

38. Could you explains your personal beliefs or non-beleifs when it comes to religion?

Theist? Atheist? Agnostic? Something else?