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Related: About this forumWhy I left Catholicism - the Cold War
Growing up in a Catholic culture I was comfortable in the community. It was supporting, cohesive and, simply, a community. To a point and for what it's worth.
There was one family in the neighborhood who were apparently Protestants, though no one knew for sure. They sort of kept to themselves. Think about that a bit. I think they felt uncomfortable in the neighborhood.
There were some ethnic lines among us - the Italian families went to an Italian church, the Poles to theirs, and so on with Syrians, Lebanese and we Irish, etc. At times we all went together to one church or another. Or to Saint Dunkin Donuts...
Yet there was a commonality. Most of our churches were Jesuit, so there was a rigorous focus on doing the right thing not the easy thing. Treating others as we would wish to be treated. Choosing empathy over simple dismissal. Turning the other cheek. Etc. The heart of the message of Jesus, in that religious point of view. Plus a vigorous support of doubt, questioning and action.
I took away a lot of things from that time. Some still make up a part of my life.
Somewhere along the way, back then, things changed. It was the Cold War. All of a sudden it was God vs. Communism. Which naturally morphed into "For God and Country". And the church increasingly became politicized. That was the wake up call for me. I literally watched a standard that I thought was taken for granted - separation of church and state - begin to dissolve.
That's when I left Catholicism. I've taken many good things with me from that time but I could see the trend and wanted to step aside.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)I'm not sure how this was a separation issue. The churches I grew up in were very politically active in the civil rights and anti-war movements, but it did't seem to present a separation issue.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Almost as if the church hierarchy (the diocese) was recruiting parishioners, especially teens and twentsomethings into some sort of global war on communism as an American and Catholic value. "For God and Country" lapel pins appeared, the diocese sponsored a writing contest with the same theme focused on the evils of communism, etc. Some pretty blatant stuff. Nationality and religion got blurred in a way that made me uncomfortable. A reflection of the time in a way.
Most local priests downplayed it as they could but the bishops were largely hold overs from the time of Archbishop O'Connell, a very conservative and political player. Cushing, his successor eventually changed the tone and the approach of the church.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)The only thing I remember was air raid drills when we put our heads in the library shelves, lol.
And maybe savings bonds.
But I don't remember it ever even coming up at church.
I wonder if your experience was because it was the Catholic Church or because of the region.
pinto
(106,886 posts)Air raid drills - we got under our desks. You at least had the chance to read a sentence or two before the big bang.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)edhopper
(33,615 posts)I wish more would leave the Church they so disagree with.
pinto
(106,886 posts)The Jesuits were a great influence, imo.
edhopper
(33,615 posts)but didn't abandon all it's teachings?
pinto
(106,886 posts)it's just there. I'm good with that.
edhopper
(33,615 posts)or at least me, are saying that when we think people should leave the Church over it's anti-Gay or pedophilia problem, we mean they should leave and no longer support the institution.
What beliefs they retain or let go is another matter.
pinto
(106,886 posts)or attempts to cover up sexual abuse among those who represent the institution.
edhopper
(33,615 posts)some don't have a problem continuing to do so, unfortunately.