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Related: About this forumif Christians/Other Religious Types Want to Change Perceptions, They Should Stop Acting Like This
and unlike the other flamebait article, we know these people are Christian because they identify as Christian. Unlike the supposed Atheists who are only assumed to be atheists because...well....because.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/christian-parents-violent-reaction-to-son-coming-out-caught-on-camera/
Christian Parents Violent Reaction to Son Coming Out Caught on Camera
During the confrontation, Pierces family cities the word of God to explain why they believe his sexual orientation is wrong. His father calls him queer and a disgrace before his step-mother begins physically beating him. The teen was since kicked out of his house and is staying with a sympathetic aunt.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-parents-of-gay-children.html
Question: "How should Christian parents respond if one of their children comes out as gay?"
The difference between struggling with homosexuality and identifying oneself as gay may seem subtle, but it is a huge distinction, and heres why. God never created us to be homosexual. In Christ that is not who we are. In Christ we are a new creation. Christians may struggle with impatience, idolatry, lust, or pride. Christians may struggle with same-sex attraction, but that does not make them homosexuals. We are new creations in Christ.
So, Christian parents can approach their child as broken people and offer to struggle together through their imperfections.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/10/03/did_the_disturbing_philosophy_of_how_to_train_up_a_child_lead_to.html
Did the Disturbing Philosophy of To Train Up a Child Lead to Hana Williams Death?
A tragically common theme among the stories is the use of a quarter-inch thick length of plumbing pipe used to hit badly behaving kids; the Pearls call it the Rod of Reproof, citing a passage from the biblical book Proverbs as justification.
The rod and reproof give wisdom: but a child left to himself bringeth his mother to shame. (Proverbs 29:15; KJB)
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/lovejoyfeminism/2013/04/some-quotes-from-michael-pearl.html
Some Michael Pearl Quotes on Child Training
The Pearls recommend whipping infants only a few months old on their bare skin. They describe whipping their own 4 month old daughter (p.9). They recommend whipping the bare skin of every child (p.2) for Christians and non-Christians (p.5) and for every transgression (p.1). Parents who dont whip their babies into complete submission are portrayed as indifferent, lazy, careless and neglectful (p.19) and are creating a Nazi (p.45).
On p.60 they recommend whipping babies who cannot sleep and are crying, and to never allow them to get up. On p.61 they recommend whipping a 12 month old girl for crying. On p.79 they recommend whipping a 7 month old for screaming.
On p.65 co-author Debi Pearl whips the bare leg of a 15 month old she is babysitting, 10 separate times, for not playing with something she tells him to play with. On p.56 Debi Pearl hits a 2 year old so hard a karate chop like wheeze came from somewhere deep inside.
On p.44 they say not to let the childs crying while being hit to cause you to lighten up on the intensity or duration of the spanking. On p.59 they recommend whipping a 3 year old until he is totally broken.
On p.55 the Pearls say a mother should hit her child if he cries for her.
On p.46 the Pearls say that if a child does obey before being whipped, whip them anyway. And if you have to sit on him to spank him, then do not hesitate. And hold him there until he is surrendered. Prove that you are bigger, tougher. Defeat him totally. On p.80 they recommend giving a child having a tantrum a swift forceful spanking. On the same page they say to whip small children on their bare skin until they stop screaming. Dont be bullied. Give him more of the same. They say to continue whipping until their crying turns into a wounded, submissive whimper.
On p.47 they recommend their various whips, including a belt or larger tree branch to hit children.
The Pearls recommend pulling a nursing infants hair (p.7), and describe tripping their non-swimming toddler so she falls into deep water (p.67). They recommend ignoring an infants bumped head when he falls to the floor, and ignoring skinned knees (p.86). They also say if your child is roughed-up by peers, rejoice. (p.81) And on p.103 the Pearls say if children lose their shoes, let them go without until they (the children) can make the money to buy more.
http://www.christianpost.com/news/setting-the-record-straight-on-gay-conversion-therapy-for-minors-116108/
Setting the Record Straight on 'Gay Conversion' Therapy for Minors
The truth is, some individuals can change who they love, and who they are attracted to my experience of change from homosexual to heterosexual proves this and today, I am married to a beautiful woman and we have three children.
But don't take my word for it; ask New York Mayor Bill De Blasio's wife, who was once a lesbian. When queried as to how she went from being a lesbian to falling in love with Bill, writer and poet Chirlane McCray said, "By putting aside the assumptions I had about the form and package my love would come in. By letting myself be as free as I felt when I went natural."
Just in case you were wondering, no reports have surfaced that indicate McCray was tortured or forced into this marriage. But then again, we're barely into 2014, and there is plenty of time for activists to make up stories that go unchallenged in the mainstream media.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/south-dakota-hb-1171-legalize-killing-abortion-providers
South Dakota Moves To Legalize Killing Abortion Providers
A law under consideration in South Dakota would expand the definition of "justifiable homicide" to include killings that are intended to prevent harm to a fetusa move that could make it legal to kill doctors who perform abortions. The Republican-backed legislation, House Bill 1171, has passed out of committee on a nine-to-three party-line vote, and is expected to face a floor vote in the state's GOP-dominated House of Representatives soon.
"The bill in South Dakota is an invitation to murder abortion providers."
The bill, sponsored by state Rep. Phil Jensen, a committed foe of abortion rights, alters the state's legal definition of justifiable homicide by adding language stating that a homicide is permissible if committed by a person "while resisting an attempt to harm" that person's unborn child or the unborn child of that person's spouse, partner, parent, or child. If the bill passes, it could in theory allow a woman's father, mother, son, daughter, or husband to kill anyone who tried to provide that woman an abortioneven if she wanted one.
http://wonkette.com/511270/charming-pro-life-folks-remember-dr-tiller-by-threatening-to-murder-everyone-working-at-clinic
Charming Pro-Life Folks Remember Dr. Tiller By Threatening To Murder Everyone Working At Clinic
The new clinics executive director, Julie Burkhart, has been harassed at her home; one witty fellow, now the subject of a restraining order, was marching around outside with a sign reading Where is your Church? Get it? Cause Tiller was shot to death at his church? (Also, too, the same guy, a fixture in Wichitas extremist pro-life crowd, explains that Tiller wasnt actually murdered in a church, because any church that isnt 100% against abortion is an apostate church, and hence not really Christian.)
And then theres David Leach, of the Army of God (because sometimes God, despite the whole omnipotence thing, just isnt quite fast enough when it comes to smiting those that need a good smiting), who went to interview Dr. Tillers murderer, Scott Roeder, in prison, and did a little speculating about how Julie Burkhart would only have herself to blame if and hes just spitballing here, mind you someone went and put a bullet through her head.
rug
(82,333 posts)This is the source of the other OP.
http://dividedundergod.com/about/
Since you're having difficulty telling them apart, I'll help you out.
Your OP is flamebait, a classic diversion from something you can't or won't discuss.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)'Your OP is flamebait, a classic diversion from something you can't or won't discuss'
Says the king of deflection on all matters regarding catholic sexual abuse, homphobic stances of the Catholic church, the Catholic Church and their bigoted stance on gay marriage.
Now go on, make your usual argument that child sexual abuse in the Catholic Church is no worse than other child sexual abuse in schools or boy scouts, etc. I know you have that worn-out canard saved somewhere on your clipboard. Oh! I know! The prohibition against gays getting commu ion isn't bigoted because all sex outside of marriage is prohibited and so no one who has sex outside of marriage can get communion and the church isn't against gay marriage because they're bigoted but because. ..um...something.
rug
(82,333 posts)One would think you caught a reflection somewhere.
Heddi
(18,312 posts)Just because you accuse others of the exact thing you are guilty of and refuse to acknowledge would make you a....what's the word I'm looking for.....I'm sure you can help a gal out....a...hmmm. I'm stumped!
rug
(82,333 posts)Are you asking me to give you a word to describe yourself?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I wouldn't describe either as flamebait.
dwpoland
(11 posts)I believe the biggest barrier for people coming to know Jesus Christ are Christians that behave in a Pharisaical way!
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)lots of evidence (thanks for all the work, Heddi), to show just how ridiculous some Christians can be. These examples do all the explaining about why I worry so much about religion being incorporated into our everyday life....because you never know if it will be the "good Christians" or the "whack job Christians" who will rule.
Rainforestgoddess
(436 posts)I had the misfortune of staying with them when my daughter was an infant. They always had a switch in reach in case their boys acted up (one was about 2 and had been adopted from a Russian orphanage, had attachment issues obviously. The other was a bit older and had fetal alcohol syndrome)
So my daughter is crying fairly uncontrollably. It was a distress cry, and I couldn't figure out what was wrong initially. So, I had had very little sleep and instead of offering useful help or advice, he offers his services to 'train her' to stop crying. I packed up my bags and went to my aunt's house. Never went back, never spoke to them again. And yes, she was sick, the fever just hadn't hit yet.
The final nail in my agnosticism's coffin.
Grannyjaneteliz
(1 post)I was beaten as a child, and when I became a parent, I did as I was indoctrinated, until one day when my son, who'd done something he wasn't supposed to have done, looked at me in terror when I picked up the fly squatter I used to spank him. At that moment I knew I'd become his abuser, not his mother. I never struck him again. And guess what? He DID NOT become a serial killer or other criminal. Sparing the rod spared the child, it didn't spoil him.
gopiscrap
(23,761 posts)Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Promethean
(468 posts)These insane ideologies came from the same book that moderate/progressive Christians tout. These insane ideologies will continue to resurface over and over and over as long as that horrible book is still given respect. Christianity deserves to be nothing more than a museum exhibit with a "Mistakes of our Past" theme.
rug
(82,333 posts)Humanity demands it.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)rug
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(33,982 posts)vlyons
(10,252 posts)I've even taken my refuge vows with a Tibetan Lama and been empowered by the Dalai Lama in certain practices. The one thing that is the heart of Buddhism is compassion and loving kindness. Jesus of Nazareth practiced compassion and loving kindness. I suggest that you go back and read Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan. If you can't practice the kind of compassion and loving kindness that is taught in that parable, then you're not really a Christian, you're a self righteous hypocrite.
When the great Italian renaissance poet Dante wrote "The Inferno," he placed hypocrites way down on the 8th rung of Hell. The devil was on rung 9. That's how far down hypocrites are. Very demonic.
And by the way, why are you so vexed and upset about other people being homosexuals? Is that something that you think about a lot?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Funny that Jesus would preach compassion and loving kindness while running around telling everyone who didn't believe in him that they were bound for hell. I guess Jesus was a self-righteous hypocrite.
If you're thinking the Divine Comedy was an exercise in religious moralizing, you're mistaken. It is primarily allegory for examining Florentine political figures who reigned during or before Dante's life.
The "hypocrites" Dante runs into in Bolgia 6 are Catalano di Guido and Loderingo degli Andalo, knights of the Ordo Militiae Mariae Gloriosae, who were given rule over Florence following the Battle of Benevento in 1266. Rather than eliminating factionalism, the order very much became a part of it, and were widely hated by their Florentine subjects. The order's failure to live up their vows merely compounded the issue; they were seen has having taken their vows merely to ascend to seats of power.
That is why these clowns were thrown down into Malebolge and handed lead cloaks, not because hypocrisy is in and of itself a horrible crime worthy of horrible punishment. Like any other dishonest thing people do, it is entirely contextual. Telling your kids to eat right while you chomp down on a Twinkie isn't quite the same thing as forming a religious military order to exploit centuries-old political strife across numerous city-states.
Where on Earth did you get the idea that Heddi is "vexed and upset about other people being homosexuals"?
vlyons
(10,252 posts)He talked about heaven. That the kingdom heaven is within you. And he talked A LOT about greedy rich people and corrupt priests, who fleeced the populace and kissed up to the Roman authorities.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)"I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his weat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
- Matthew 3:10-12
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
- Matthew 7:19
But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
- Matthew 8:12
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust from your feet. Truly, I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
- Matthew 10:14-15
But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
- Matthew 10:33
Woe on Unrepentant Towns
Then Jesus began to denounce the towns in which most of his miracles had been performed, because they did not repent. "Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable for Tyre and Sidon on the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted into the heavens? No, you will go down to Hades. For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day. But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."
- Matthew 11:20-24
The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.
The Parables of the Hidden Treasure and the Pearl
The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field. When a man found it, he hid it again, and then in his joy went and sold all he had and bought that field.
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant looking for fine pearls. When he found one of great value, he went away and sold everything he had and bought it.
The Parable of the Net
Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
- Matthew 13:41-50
Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
- Matthew 25:41
And that's just the first of the four Gospels. Need I go on?
trotsky
(49,533 posts)Many in here would have us never criticize religious beliefs or even suggest that bad behavior can possibly follow from them. How naive.
rug
(82,333 posts)Again.