Religion
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[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; padding-bottom:5px; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-bottom:none; border-radius:0.4615em 0.4615em 0em 0em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]USCCB Chairmen Respond To Unprecedented And Extreme Executive Order[div class="excerpt" style="background-color:#f0f0f0; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-top:none; border-radius:0em 0em 0.4615em 0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]WASHINGTONThe bishop-Chairmen of two USCCB Committees responded with great concern to President Obamas July 21 executive order to prohibit federal government contractors from what the Administration deems sexual orientation and gender identity discrimination and to forbid gender identity discrimination in the employment of federal employees. The problems the bishops identify in the order relate both to the flaws in its core prohibitions, and to its lack of religious freedom protection.
Two USCCB Chairmen Archbishop William E. Lori of Baltimore, Chairman of the Ad Hoc Committee for Religious Liberty and Bishop Richard J. Malone of Buffalo, Chairman of the Committee on Laity, Marriage, Family Life and Youth together issued the following statement.
Todays executive order is unprecedented and extreme and should be opposed.
More at the link here.
Sooo, when can we expect a defrocking from Pope Francis for these leaders of the Church?
This is a classic example of giving them an inch and they will take a mile, they already can discriminate based on religion for their federally supported organizations. They just don't know when to quit. Its funny, I came across an article about ENDA, religious "freedom" and discrimination protection here.
Its an article from before the executive order was passed, but it is still relevant.
Relevant quotes from the above link:
[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]They argue that ENDA in its current form would leave religious employers free to discriminate based on their religious convictions. They argue that religious people cannot impose their morality on others. This ignores the fact that these advocates themselves seek to impose their morality on religious people and runs directly counter to the religious diversity that modern societies aspire to (ed. Emphasis is original author of article).
As Pope Francis wrote: A healthy pluralism
does not entail privatizing religions in an attempt to reduce them to the quiet obscurity of the individuals conscience or to relegate them to the enclosed precincts of churches, synagogues or mosques. This would represent, in effect, a new form of discrimination and authoritarianism (Evangelii Gaudium no. 255).
You know what, I like Pope Francis's quote that this article cited, because this is EXACTLY what I would like done to his and everyone else's religion. Keep them private, whine about "oppression" and leave the rest of us alone.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Let's see, what is the proper term of address for Archbishops, oh yeah, "hey your assholiness, shut the fuck up."
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(82,333 posts)Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Religion needs to be knocked off its pedestal and put on equal footing with every other belief system on the planet and in this country. Religious organizations should be subject to the exact same rules as secular organizations in all aspects. Want to be exempt from discrimination rules? Be classified as a private club. Want to be tax exempt, be labeled a non-profit who has to follow all the same oversight rules as other non-profits, etc.
Religious exemptions shouldn't exist as a category.
Cultural shifts would include no longer showing deference to religious leaders through media and commentary. Stop giving religious heads a pass when it comes to morality or ethics, etc.