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Eugene

(61,949 posts)
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:15 AM Apr 2014

Atlanta archbishop apologizes for lavish living, may sell mansion

Source: Reuters

Atlanta archbishop apologizes for lavish living, may sell mansion

Tue Apr 1, 2014 7:45am EDT

(Reuters) - The Roman Catholic Archbishop of Atlanta has apologized for building a $2.2 million mansion to use as his home, a move that made him the object of derision and complaint, and said he may sell it.

Archbishop Wilton Gregory said he took his "eye off the ball" after the archdiocese received a $15 million donation from the estate of Joseph Mitchell, a nephew "Gone With The Wind" author, Margaret Mitchell.

Pope Francis has been urging Roman Catholic officials to live simpler lives and has renounced the papal apartments in the Vatican palace for modest quarters in a Church guest house.

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Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/01/us-usa-georgia-archbishop-idUSBREA300GM20140401
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Atlanta archbishop apologizes for lavish living, may sell mansion (Original Post) Eugene Apr 2014 OP
...and donate the proceeds to a Swiss bank account! Walk away Apr 2014 #1
Ruh oh. Looks like someone may have been taken to the woodshed. cbayer Apr 2014 #2
There is nothing in the article to indicate anyone in the RCC hierarchy had a problem with this. trotsky Apr 2014 #5
In any legitimate organization, siphoning a couple of million from a major donation Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #3
Let's see what happens. cbayer Apr 2014 #4
Hopefully he gets fired. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #6
Archbishop Gregory can be and has been the force for much good No Vested Interest Apr 2014 #7
Was he president of the bishops conference at one time? hrmjustin Apr 2014 #8
According to Wikipedia, he was president of the USCCB No Vested Interest Apr 2014 #9
I think the reality of other churches is if they sell it is because they are dying churches. hrmjustin Apr 2014 #10
Agreed. Let the new era begin! No Vested Interest Apr 2014 #11
Thanks for this insight. cbayer Apr 2014 #13
Bishop of Newark Dorian Gray Apr 2014 #12
I would much rather the Church waste its money on this than spend it on lobbying... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #14
I would much rather they spend their money on helping the cbayer Apr 2014 #15
If they were able to do that in an unbiased and non-discriminatory way, I'd agree with you. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #16
Wait, you would deny help to some because they are not fair enough in their cbayer Apr 2014 #17
The Catholic Church doesn't run the only charities on the fucking planet. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #18
Is that understood? cbayer Apr 2014 #19
Post removed Post removed Apr 2014 #20
Apologist for homophobes and misogynists with ugly, ugly principles. cbayer Apr 2014 #21
I've seen the results of people being raised under the "loving embrace" of a Church that teaches... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #22

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
1. ...and donate the proceeds to a Swiss bank account!
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 08:21 AM
Apr 2014

Does anyone believe that these crooks will ever reform? Ha!

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
5. There is nothing in the article to indicate anyone in the RCC hierarchy had a problem with this.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:47 AM
Apr 2014

Sounds like word may have gotten out and there was negative publicity that forced the issue. Just like with the "bishop of bling."

But hey, if someone wants to fantasize that the new pope is personally looking for these weasels and calling them out, facts aren't going to stop them.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. In any legitimate organization, siphoning a couple of million from a major donation
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 09:56 AM
Apr 2014

to your own use is cause for termination if not prosecution, in 'The Church' it's dismissed as 'taking my eye off the ball'. The casual dismissal of great wrongdoing is an inherent problem in this organization and it is often as wrong as the initial misdeeds. Greed, gluttony, theft among their highest ranks and yet these guys are allowed by their followers to constantly attack others as being morally inferior. A culture of rot.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. Let's see what happens.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 10:01 AM
Apr 2014

Did you know that a German bishop was recently removed for similar behavior?

I think this guy may be trying to take action before the same thing happens to him. It is he who used the words "eye off the ball", not anyone in a position above him.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
7. Archbishop Gregory can be and has been the force for much good
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 01:38 PM
Apr 2014

in the RC Church.

I believe his public announcement of this "mistake" is an act of humility in admitting that he was wrong.
It is a type of public confession.
He could have quietly gone about arranging a sale or other disposal or use of the property, but instead he set himself up for public
shaming.

I congratulate Archbishop Gregory for his forthrightness and wish him well in his future work.

No Vested Interest

(5,167 posts)
9. According to Wikipedia, he was president of the USCCB
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:13 PM
Apr 2014

from 2001-2001. Apparently, that presidency is a 3-year term.
I cannot comment on his term, except to note that it was the first 3 yrs of GWB's terms, with all that included.
Archbishop Gregory notes that there is a new era in RC Church re humility and caring for the poorest among us.

Some need to adapt more than others.
We all know the RC Church is a huge target and easy to hit.

Will other Christian churches follow the lead and also look within at their mansions and holdings?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
10. I think the reality of other churches is if they sell it is because they are dying churches.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:16 PM
Apr 2014

I prefer the example that the pope is setting with simple living. I hope they all move in this direction including all denominations like my own.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
13. Thanks for this insight.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 03:05 PM
Apr 2014

I have to admit that I know little about him, but I am glad that he is changing direction on this issue.

Dorian Gray

(13,501 posts)
12. Bishop of Newark
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 02:28 PM
Apr 2014

receiving similar criticism.

Interesting that he's selling. I think the German Bishop of Bling experience taught the Bishops that they will be reprimanded for living over their means. How much so? Time will tell.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
14. I would much rather the Church waste its money on this than spend it on lobbying...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:35 PM
Apr 2014

against the rights of women and LGBT people.

For every dollar they have to spend to maintain these expenses is a dollar less that is free to be used to fight against marriage equality, contraception and abortion access, etc.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
15. I would much rather they spend their money on helping the
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:44 PM
Apr 2014

poor and disenfranchised around the world than on this.

For every dollar they spend on that is a dollar less they spend on lobbying.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
16. If they were able to do that in an unbiased and non-discriminatory way, I'd agree with you.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:47 PM
Apr 2014

But they don't, so I don't.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. Wait, you would deny help to some because they are not fair enough in their
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:49 PM
Apr 2014

distribution methods for you?

What kind of position is that?

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
18. The Catholic Church doesn't run the only charities on the fucking planet.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:54 PM
Apr 2014

Is that understood?

Look, I don't understand you or your need to constantly appease the bigoted, while chastising those with principles. Grow a backbone.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
19. Is that understood?
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 04:57 PM
Apr 2014

You have one of the oddest takes on humanism I have ever encountered.

The RCC oversees one of the biggest charity organizations in the world. Without them things would be much worse than they already are.

Look, I don't understand you or your need to constantly endorse bigotry while chastising those with principles.

You grow a backbone.

Is that understood?

Response to cbayer (Reply #19)

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
21. Apologist for homophobes and misogynists with ugly, ugly principles.
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 05:10 PM
Apr 2014

You go way too far.

It is your inability to see that there can be good and bad under one umbrella that is blinding you.

 

Humanist_Activist

(7,670 posts)
22. I've seen the results of people being raised under the "loving embrace" of a Church that teaches...
Tue Apr 1, 2014, 05:16 PM
Apr 2014

they are disordered. I have seen how they treat those who don't follow their backwards morality first hand, so I frankly cannot and will not support this evil organization because they do some shit that isn't quite as objectionable.

You claim I went to far, I haven't gone quite far enough.

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