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Related: About this forumReligious discrimination: City of Portland subjected employee to hostile work environment
By Brad Schmidt | bschmidt@oregonian.com
on November 18, 2013 at 11:10 AM, updated November 18, 2013 at 2:52 PM
A federal jury this month awarded $14,080 to a city of Portland employee who claimed she was repeatedly harassed by a co-worker because of her Christian religious beliefs.
The jury found that city officials subjected KellyMarie Griffin, an employee with Portland Parks & Recreation, to a hostile work environment and failed to take prompt and effective steps to end the harassment.
The city should pay Griffin $14,080 for non-economic damages, commonly known as pain and suffering, according to the jurys Nov. 8 verdict.
The co-worker who harassed Griffin, Theresa Lareau, should pay $5,300 in economic damages, according to the verdict. The jury found that Lareau wrongfully continued a civil proceeding against Griffin by seeking a permanent stalking protective order.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/11/religious_discrimination_city.html
The federal complaint:
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/griffinamendedcomplaint.pdf
Earlier story:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2013/10/lawsuit_claims_city_employee_t.html
CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)attitude;" You know you are praying to a figment of your imagination, right? Im not talking
about your God; Im talking about something else; "Im tired of your Christian attitude and
your Christian shit all over your desk and your Christian shit all over the place. Im going to file
a complaint against you the next time I sneeze and you say bless you. Youre just doing it for
the attention; you wear it on your sleeve like a badge and Im sick of it. It offends me.
That's pretty hostile, if you ask me.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)in light of the fact that she had worked in the division for 20 years, apparently without a problem.
I wonder what kinds of steps were taken to resolve this before she took it to court.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)...truly offensive as well, thus creating a hostile work environment for them. Especially if they had a particularly negative experience in their past.
Even if that were the case the defendant could have handled the situation better, but I feel like we're only seeing part of the story here.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)time she said "Bless you" in response to a sneeze.
Really??
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Dorian Gray
(13,496 posts)to a sneezer once and got lectured that not everybody is a Christian. I was so taken aback by it that I wasn't my normal snarky self. But I did say something to the effect that it's sort of an ingrained response bred into me since early childhood. I was NOT spreading the word of the Lord.
eqfan592
(5,963 posts)I've been an atheist for some time now, yet years of Christian upbringing ingrained "god bless you" into me so deeply that I still catch myself saying it from time to time.
I've been replacing it with gesundheit, which befits my German heritage.
Aaron8418
(18 posts)Okay, i believe in treating people with respect and respecting others beliefs, and if somebody was to harass somebody that is bad. What i don't agree with is the fact that she went and sued that person, seriously folks!! Get a life, that is so selfish and being jaded. How dare you, who are you to sue somebody for being ignorant, how many times have YOU been ignorant? Probably a lot, ever heard of the saying " let thee without sin, cast the first stone ". Plus you didn't see Jesus going around suing people when they harassed him.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)against the plaintiff if she said "God bless you" after a sneeze?
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)However, if I know or thought another employee objected to "God bless you" after a sneeze, I'd refrain from that bit.
eomer
(3,845 posts)On one occasion in May 4, 2011, a co-worker sneezed loudly and exclaimed "Jesus Christ!" in Plaintiff's presence. Plaintiff objected to the use of "profanity [involving] God's name" and stated that the language was "not professional," "distasteful," and "in violation of [her] religious convictions." Plaintiff alleged that Ms. Lareau responded loudly that, "I'm sick of your Christian attitude, your Christian [expletive] all over your desk, and your Christian [expletive] all over the place" and Ms. Lareau accused Plaintiff of using her religion for attention. Plaintiff instigated a formal investigation into the alleged religiously discriminatory behavior and subsequently brought suit under Title VII and state employment discrimination law.
http://phelpsdunbar.com/publications/?action=detail&id=155
So first there was an ongoing campaign by the plaintiff to get people to change their speech that she didn't like even when it had nothing to do with her other than her being within earshot. Then the incident that set off the direct conflict between the plaintiff and the defendant was as innocuous as someone exclaiming "Jesus Christ" after sneezing loudly, which the plaintiff objected to as "profanity [involving] God's name". It was this (in my opinion) overreaching complaint by the plaintiff on top of her ongoing campaign that set off the defendant and caused her to say, "I'm sick of your Christian attitude", etc.
So the interesting question here is whether a person has a right to demand, as the plaintiff did, that people not use profanity in a workplace because it offends her religious beliefs. And whether she's allowed to launch a campaign in the workplace to challenge people every time she hears them use profanity or is such a campaign itself harassment.
edhopper
(33,580 posts)seems not so clear cut as they'd have us think.
An objection to crude or offensive speech is not, as you see it, "an ongoing campaign by the plaintiff to get people to change their speech that she didn't like".
As the court noted, "Evidence that the coworker quickly apologized and refrained from cursing in Ms. Griffin's presence thereafter would bolster the argument that [the] coworker had not cursed because of Ms. Griffin's religious beliefs." Instead, the defendant doubled down, calling her a wacko and other terms you likely would not object to.
The legal principle is whether the plaintiff is in a class that is protected by law. If she had objected to the defendant routinely using misogynist or homophobic or racially disparaging terms, her reliance on the law would not constitute "an ongoing campaign
The fact is, civil rights apply to many classes of people, whether you like religion or not. You selectively enforce it at your own peril.
eomer
(3,845 posts)What I was pointing out was the sequence of events.
- The plaintiff first engaged in a campaign to get people to stop using language that did not violate her protections under the law.
- A blowout occurred and then a co-worker began using language that did violate her protections under the law.
Language that a person finds offensive for religious reasons doesn't, by itself, violate any protections. The language had to be spoken because of the plaintiff's protected status. So there had to be the motivation of religious animus or something along those lines for the speech to violate protections. This didn't occur, apparently, until after the plaintiff had been engaged for some time in trying to impose her own religious criteria on speech, which she does not have a right to do under the law.
Here is a court ruling (on a request for summary judgement, I think) that states the legal basis that I've explained above:
religious reasons. (Griffin Decl. [53] ¶ 14.)
A rational jury could find that at least some of this profanity occurred because of Ms. Griffins religion, although I think it unlikely that the evidence will show that all of it did. For instance, it is unlikely that a coworker who used a curse word without knowing that the word offended Ms. Griffin for religious reasons used the word around Ms. Griffin because of her religion. Rather, such a coworker likely used the curse word without contemplating whether it would bother or offend anyone, merely because he or she was in the habit of using profanity.6 Evidence that the coworker quickly apologized and refrained from cursing in Ms. Griffins presence thereafter would bolster the argument that that coworker had not cursed because of Ms. Griffins religious beliefs, although such evidence is not necessary. However, Plaintiff may be able to show that some of this profanity (particularly as used by Ms. Lareau) was uttered because of hostility to Ms. Griffins religious beliefs. The burden is on the plaintiff to establish that conduct occurred because of religion, so Ms. Griffin must prove this as to any instances of profanity she wishes to use at trial to establish the hostile work environment.
The second category of conduct is direct hostility to Ms. Griffins beliefs, such as Ms. Lareaus statement that Ms. Griffin was a wacko because of her Christian faith. (There are no allegations that anyone other than Ms. Lareau made such comments.) My denial of summary judgment is largely based on the sufficiency of the evidence of such hostility in the record. Ms. Lareau told Plaintiff that her belief in God was foolish, (Decl. [53] ¶ 18); asked her whether she knew she [was] praying to a figment of [her] imagination, (Decl. [53] ¶ 24); and, as part of the May 4th outburst, shouted that she was sick of [plaintiffs] Christian attitude, [her] Christian [expletive] all over the place, id. ¶ 25). The record shows at least half a dozen specific examples of hostility towards Ms. Griffins religion, which, if proved, could support a rational jurys finding that Ms. Griffin was subjected to a hostile work environment.
Plaintiff will need to walk a fine line between events that occurred because of religion and events that occurred because Ms. Lareau did not appreciate having been complained about to the City. Much of the hostility that occurred after the May 4th outburst may have occurred due to Ms. Lareaus anger at having been reported and investigated, rather than hostility to Ms. Griffins religious beliefs.7 It is Plaintiffs burden to show that such conduct was based on Ms. Griffins religious beliefs rather than on Ms. Griffin having reported Ms. Lareau to their employer, or some other motivation unrelated to religion.
http://www.sussmanshank.com//files/Griffin%20v.%20City%20of%20Portland%20(01733699).pdf
rug
(82,333 posts)No one, the court, the parties, no one -save you - characterized the plaintiff's objections as a "campaign".
You posted a dead link to commentary on a law firm site. If you wish to know the actual sequence of events, read the court's decision itself denying the defendants' motion for summary judgment. It also recites the law.
eomer
(3,845 posts)including the use of Gods and Jesus Christs names as curse words. Ms. Griffin alleges that Ms.
Lareau and other coworkers frequently used profanity in the office, and that this language is
offensive to her because of her religious reliefs. In particular, because Ms. Griffin views the
profane use of Gods name as blasphemous, this language deeply offended her. Ms. Griffin
alleges that, while she worked in the Mt. Tabor office, when she heard profanity she would often
inform the speaker that this language offended her. She explains that most coworkers would
make efforts to stop cursing in her presence once they were told of the reason for the offense. It
appears that even Ms. Lareau may have made an effort to stop using Gods name in vain for a
time after Ms. Griffin explained that it was offensive to her for religious reasons.
On May 4th, 2011, Ms. Griffin and Ms. Lareaus already strained relationship fell apart in
an angry outburst (the May 4th outburst). Ms. Griffin subsequently asked the City to formally
investigate religious intolerance by Ms. Lareau. That day, members of the clerical team were in
their office just before the lunch hour. While a coworker, Ms. Jackie Bride, was gathering her
things to leave for the lunch break, Ms. Griffin let out a loud sneeze. Ms. Bride, startled,
exclaimed Jesus Christ! She then left the office for her lunch break. (Citys Mem. [42] Ex.
10, Griffin Depo. at 55 56:1.) Ms. Griffin, offended by Ms. Brides reaction, commented to
Ms. Lareau (the only other member of the clerical team still in the office), as follows: I said that
I objected to profanity of Gods name. I said that this type of language is not professional, I find
http://www.sussmanshank.com//files/Griffin%20v.%20City%20of%20Portland%20(01733699).pdf
Whether we would call it a campaign or not, the relevant point is that she engaged in that behavior repeatedly over an extended period of time prior to the blowout, during a time when the language that she objected to did not violate her protections. She apparently did it enough to irritate people and provoke the incident.
It seems to me there's an argument that she created a hostile workplace by repeatedly pushing her religious criteria on other people who didn't agree with it. Having a person correct you every time you curse or use crude language, and having that person call you out on religious grounds, that sounds like harassment to me.
And my link is fine, DU just doesn't like it. Copy/paste it into your browser. It is that same ruling on a request for summary judgement that you referred to after I did.
rug
(82,333 posts)And they did hear the evidence, not apologetic speculation.
eomer
(3,845 posts)They ruled on whether her protections were violated and I've stated from the start that I think they were, after the blowout.
I don't care that much, actually, about the legal argument. Mainly I was looking at it from the point of view of how people interact with each other and what the moral aspects of it are. Perhaps she oversteps a moral boundary when she tries to impose her religious standards on others. Would I be overstepping if I ask people not to say "God bless you" around me?
rug
(82,333 posts)They found the defendant had a course of conduct that violated the law, not the plaintiff.
And no, by all means speak up about people saying God bless you after you sneeze. But use a handkerchief.
eomer
(3,845 posts)That question wasn't put to them. And even so I'm not saying any jury would find that the plaintiff violated the law, but rather that it seems plausibly arguable to me that she did.
And my point was that I don't object when people say "God bless you". Ms. Griffin did do the equivalent of that, I choose not to.