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Paladin

(28,276 posts)
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 05:37 PM Feb 2018

OK, at the risk of learning more than I ever wanted to know about curling:

I've been glancing at the Olympic matches, and I'm wondering why the participants have to communicate by SCREAMING AT THE TOP OF THEIR FREAKING LUNGS? I mean, their teammates are maybe 30 feet away, and that squatty circular object everybody tries to somehow coax with brooms has less hearing ability than the entire population of the current White House.

Short and coherent responses appreciated.

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OK, at the risk of learning more than I ever wanted to know about curling: (Original Post) Paladin Feb 2018 OP
Hey, if your sport could be... ret5hd Feb 2018 #1
I think you are right SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #3
It is fun and whispering would be not. Good enough for me! Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #9
Because they can, eh. kedrys Feb 2018 #2
Excellent answers, all. Many thanks. (nt) Paladin Feb 2018 #4
I hope 17 seconds is short enough. 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #5
Thanks for the broom info. Paladin Feb 2018 #6
When I first joined the Air Force nurse corps in 1976... 3catwoman3 Feb 2018 #7
I'd never stoop to eating armadillo chili. Paladin Feb 2018 #8
Scrubbing slightly melts the raised ice pebbles making the stone slide straighter and further. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #10
I found this post to be informative JonLP24 Feb 2018 #11
I kind of like the mixed doubles. JayhawkSD Feb 2018 #12
The Russians may have cheated. TexasTowelie Feb 2018 #13

ret5hd

(20,524 posts)
1. Hey, if your sport could be...
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 05:48 PM
Feb 2018

adequately measured in "inches-per-minute"
and
your sports was essentially barroom shuffleboard but without the beer

you might try to add some excitement to it also.

kedrys

(7,678 posts)
2. Because they can, eh.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 06:52 PM
Feb 2018

In all seriousness, I ventured onto an ice sheet once, and if the hall is large enough, the echo will drown out your voice unless you yell.

Also: it’s fun, eh!

3catwoman3

(24,054 posts)
5. I hope 17 seconds is short enough.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 07:47 PM
Feb 2018

Below is a 17 second video of an old style curling broom. My parents used to belong to a curling club in Rochester NY, and I actually tried it a few times. This was in the 1970s. The brooms at that time looked like Harry Potter quidditch broom, and there was a leather flap deep withing the broom straws that made a very loud and impressive "thwack, thwack, thwack" slapping sound when being used. The skip (captain) would have to shout to be heard over the slapping noises.



Or, fast forward to the 55 second spot in this video, and you will hear a really good example of the noise -



It was strangely satisfying to be able to make all that noise- you felt as if you must be accomplishing something by generating all that sound.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
6. Thanks for the broom info.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:38 PM
Feb 2018

It doesn't appear to me that the present-day Olympians have the "thwack-thwack" problem to deal with. They seem to be shouting, just for the hell of it. But let me hasten to add that I am an old Texas guy, and things like curling just mystify me. I am sure that some games and habits here would mystify you and your parents. In any case, I appreciate your response.

3catwoman3

(24,054 posts)
7. When I first joined the Air Force nurse corps in 1976...
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 08:49 PM
Feb 2018

...and was stationed in San Antonio at Lackland AFB, my upstate NY soul wondered if I had perhaps ended up on a different planet, not just in a different state:

- I was told about making armadillo chili and was shocked and disgusted that the first ingredient was road kill armadillo

- I saw a local new tV spot on cow chip throwing contests, which included instructions on how to make your own at home, and what to do to make sure it was as aerodynamic as possible

- cow horns on the hoods of pick up trucks

- rifle racks in the back windows of pick up trucks

Curling actually requires quite a bit of finesse. I still do not understand the physics of how the skip decides what to tell the sweepers.

Paladin

(28,276 posts)
8. I'd never stoop to eating armadillo chili.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 09:31 PM
Feb 2018

But considering how a night-time herd of the little bastards can repeatedly shred my yard and landscaping, I'm tempted to render them ready for chili usage. Every region has its own set of eccentricities and problems.


Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
10. Scrubbing slightly melts the raised ice pebbles making the stone slide straighter and further.
Sun Feb 11, 2018, 10:27 PM
Feb 2018

Scrubbing can make all the difference in a game of inches.

There is a lot more to the sport than meets the jaundiced American eye.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. I found this post to be informative
Mon Feb 12, 2018, 12:29 AM
Feb 2018

Though I still don't understand it.


25. Curling and speed skating
Traditional speed skating, not the short track.

I got hooked in curling in 2010 and now follow it every year, not merely in Olympic years.

A few notes on this year's curling:

* Some American fans will be sick when they see that John Shuster is again Olympic men's skip. He became known as a choke artist the past two Olympics and especially 2010, due to frequent misses on shot rock. It goes with the territory. After the disappointments of Sochi 2014 the Americans put together a so-called High Performance Camp to identify the best and strongest curlers, trying to emulate the Canadian style of more athletic curlers and not beer bellied guys. Shuster did not receive an invitation. That was an incredible slap, given his accomplishments. He was also on the 2006 Olympic team as lead for Pete Fenson's bronze medal team.

Instead of sulking or giving up, Shuster realized he had to get in shape. He lost 30 pounds and put together his own team, since it was not a closed process despite the High Performance push. Shuster's team won the American championship each of the past two years and earned a bronze medal in the 2016 World Championships, followed by 4th place in the 2017 World Championships.

* Shuster is not a medal favorite but he is bunched among many teams behind favorites Canada and Sweden. It would be somewhat shocking if either of those teams did not win the gold medal. Nicolas Edin of Sweden is probably the best player in the world right now. But Canada is overall stronger so Kevin Koe's team is favored above Edin and Sweden. Third choice would probably be Switzerland, which has a young guy who is technically not the skip but he throws fourth and is very, very clever especially on draws. That Switzerland team denied Shuster the bronze medal at worlds last year.

* Tyler George the American third is a legitimately great player. The second is Matt Hamilton, who is currently playing mixed doubles with his sister.

* Mixed is difficult to describe, if you have never seen if before. Rocks put in play before any rocks are thrown. Quicker game and higher scoring per end

* Rachel Homan of Canada swept through the world championships unbeaten last year but barely survived the Canadian Olympic Trials to earn this berth. Homan had a slow start and then had to get past 2014 Olympic gold medalist Jennifer Jones in the Canadian semifinals and then edged previously unbeaten Chelsea Carey in the finals. The Canadian Trials are the highest level of curling you will ever see. Teams that are completely unknown outside the country give the high profile teams absolute fits. The depth is so strong that 2014 Olympic gold medalist Brad Jacobs did not make the playoffs at the Olympic trials and defending world champion Brad Gushoe was ousted in the semis.

* Homan is a young unapologetic curling killer. She is great on hits. Her strategy isn't perfect but she has such a methodical approach with very few misses that she wears teams down and has many lopsided games. The second on that team -- Joanne Courtney -- is the closest thing you'll ever see to a guy on a women's curling team. She is very strong, enabling incredibly powerful sweeping.

* It was shocking when Homan chose Cheryl Bernard as alternate. Bernard was the early 40s red headed cougar who skipped Canada in 2010 and did a great job until blowing two relatively easy shots for the gold medal in the 10th and 11th end of the final. She is now early 50s and has been a prominent curling commentator for years. When she got the call from Homan, Bernard thought it was advice on how to handle the Olympics. Nope -- we want you to be our alternate.

* Sweden would be second choice, but more of an underdog than the Swedish men. Very good team top to bottom. Third choice would probably be Eve Muirhead, the famous Scottish curler who competes for Great Britain in the Olympics. Muirhead is right there with Homan for best in the world but her team is overall not as strong as Canada. BTW, two of Muirhead's brothers will compete for Great Britain on the men's curling team. They got the Olympic nod in somewhat of a surprise, causing long time British curler David Murdoch to retire when his rink was not chosen.

* Nina Roth will skip the Americans. She is a young short haired blonde and more than capable. Roth can defeat anyone on a given day but plays a conservative style and will probably finish middle of the pack.

* The babe factor took a hit when Anna Sidorova lost a 7 game playoff for the Russian berth. I don't know much about the Russian team that emerged other than they blasted Sidorova's team 4 games to 1 and now the Russian team is receiving quite a bit of wagering support on sites that book the curling odds.
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JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
12. I kind of like the mixed doubles.
Sun Feb 18, 2018, 02:23 AM
Feb 2018

Watched that version for the first time this Olympics. Nice for television, as it's fast paced and scoring is consistent.

Still, the original is more strategic; a chess player's game. Much more interesting in the long run.

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