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Come on A's! I don't want to see these assholes again. (Original Post) El Supremo Oct 2013 OP
Haterz are going to hate. marmar Oct 2013 #1
I've been trying to figure out who I'd rather see my Sox face.... NRaleighLiberal Oct 2013 #2
You may not have to.. Upton Oct 2013 #3
Oh for fucks sake! Put the PEDer Colon in! El Supremo Oct 2013 #4
Ahem. marmar Oct 2013 #5
Congrats to the Tigers and the city of Detroit ... Auggie Oct 2013 #6
Pablo Sandoval knows how to hit Verlander.. Upton Oct 2013 #7
What does Moneyball have to do with Sandoval? Auggie Oct 2013 #8
Regular season victories don't mean much.. Upton Oct 2013 #9
No one trades for or signs ONE batter based on ONE performance against ONE pitcher ... Auggie Oct 2013 #10
It's not just one pitcher.. Upton Oct 2013 #13
Is Moneyball still relevant? JonLP24 Oct 2013 #11
Uncanny knack for finding young pitchers. chelsea0011 Oct 2013 #12
San Fran front page: El Supremo Oct 2013 #14
I can't believe the A's were eliminated 3 consecutive times Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #15

NRaleighLiberal

(60,014 posts)
2. I've been trying to figure out who I'd rather see my Sox face....
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:27 PM
Oct 2013

either way, it will be a tired team....

Looking forward to Saturday night!

Upton

(9,709 posts)
3. You may not have to..
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 09:27 PM
Oct 2013

Infante just swung at ball 3 and 4 with the bases loaded..With Verlander going they could have put the A's away right there.

Auggie

(31,171 posts)
6. Congrats to the Tigers and the city of Detroit ...
Thu Oct 10, 2013, 11:53 PM
Oct 2013

except for those two assholes in Comerica Park's right field Monday night.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
7. Pablo Sandoval knows how to hit Verlander..
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 06:36 AM
Oct 2013

but he's probably going to be worth more money than the A's are willing to pay. Perhaps this Moneyball isn't all it's cracked up to be..

Auggie

(31,171 posts)
8. What does Moneyball have to do with Sandoval?
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 08:54 AM
Oct 2013

Are you suggesting the A's acquire Pablo just so they can beat Detroit? They already have a third baseman with all-star numbers in Josh Donaldson.

BTW, this year Moneyball performed better than seven of the top ten teams in salary, nine if you go by total victories.*

New York Yankees $228,995,945
Los Angeles Dodgers $216,302,909
Philadelphia $159,578,214
Boston $158,967,286
Detroit $149,046,844

San Francisco $142,180,333
Los Angeles Angels $142,165,250
Texas $127,197,575
Chicago White Sox $124,065,277
Toronto $118,244,039
Oakland $68,577,000

*2013 Opening Day Payroll

Upton

(9,709 posts)
9. Regular season victories don't mean much..
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 10:14 AM
Oct 2013

not when you've lost the deciding game in the NLDS on your home field to the same team and pitcher two years in a row. They've been unable to score on Verlander for 30 consecutive postseason innings. A hitter like Sandoval could alleviate that, but the A's wouldn't be able to afford him after he becomes a FA.

Those payroll stats just illustrate my point..3 of the top 5 teams in payroll are in MLB's final four, the Cards are 10th. Moneyball's winning on the cheap, may be good for some regular season success, the playoffs not so much.

Auggie

(31,171 posts)
10. No one trades for or signs ONE batter based on ONE performance against ONE pitcher ...
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:42 AM
Oct 2013

even if he was on this postseason A's roster Verlander could have pitched around him.

Moneyball is here as long as there's no salary cap. Thank goodness for the concept, otherwise the league would be dominated by the same franchises year after year after year.

Upton

(9,709 posts)
13. It's not just one pitcher..
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 01:36 PM
Oct 2013

since Beane took over in 1997, the A's have reached the ALDS 7 times, which is a positive thing, yet they've only gone 1-6 in those series. In the postseason, often you need those elite players to get you over the hump. The kind of player who costs real money. The kind of player Moneyball doesn't allow for.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
11. Is Moneyball still relevant?
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 11:45 AM
Oct 2013

Since those payroll teams use sabermetrics now which is what Moneyball was about, a low payroll team finding an edge that other teams aren't aware of.

Which leads to me wonder, if all the teams now about all this, how is Oakland still finding an edge? They should probably write another book and film for the last 2 seasons.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
12. Uncanny knack for finding young pitchers.
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 12:33 PM
Oct 2013

This is enough to patch together a weak hitting team and use pitching to get through the season. But then they don't make good playoff teams. Their hitting gets exposed in a series.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
15. I can't believe the A's were eliminated 3 consecutive times
Fri Oct 11, 2013, 09:04 PM
Oct 2013

to the same team in the postseason; they lost to Detroit in '06, last year, and again last night.
Detroit Tigers are mostly in the playoffs every year to troll the A's, and then they lose later on in the championship. Damn them.

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