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Renew Deal

(81,859 posts)
Sun Jul 22, 2012, 11:57 PM Jul 2012

Soccer games shouldn't be played at Yankee Stadium in the middle of the baseball season.

The Chelsea-PSG game at Yankee Stadium is on TV right now. The infield was covered with grass and the mound was removed. The mound is in the soccer field and it is flat. This is ridiculous. Do the Yankees really need the money? Shouldn't baseball be a priority? Why are they messing with the field in the middle of the baseball season? Let the Mets host baseball games. Don't screw up Yankee pitching for a little money.

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Soccer games shouldn't be played at Yankee Stadium in the middle of the baseball season. (Original Post) Renew Deal Jul 2012 OP
And baseball games shouldn't be played at Fenway Park in the middle of baseball season. bluedigger Jul 2012 #1
They should have played at Fenway... hughee99 Jul 2012 #4
Actually, I think they are going to do that this week, aren't they? bluedigger Jul 2012 #5
You mean does New York City need the money? JonLP24 Jul 2012 #2
There's a perfectly good soccer-only stadium in nearby Harrison, N.J. KamaAina Jul 2012 #3

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
4. They should have played at Fenway...
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:44 PM
Jul 2012

They might as well bulldoze the mound and start from scratch after the game. The current mound hasn't done our starters any good.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
5. Actually, I think they are going to do that this week, aren't they?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 05:49 PM
Jul 2012

I thought John's Varsity football team was playing a game there...

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
2. You mean does New York City need the money?
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 06:11 AM
Jul 2012

Ticket sales and parking revenues go to the city who needs to be payed back after $1.5 billion construction which the Yankees covered around $300 million of that.

It is difficult to figure out how financing in this case works for other events. Typically, there is a rent payment that goes to the city (cities typically attempt to get their money back from the host team thru discounted rent payments). They also do it through portions of ticket sales (and often cities cover the team if there is a shortfall on ticket sales) and parking revenues (which is true in the Yankee Stadium since the Yankees asked for more money after initial construction costs).

Here is some information on the Yankees financing and like I said it isn't clear how it applies to other events but I think the question, does NYC need the money? is fair.

The story so far: Back in 2006, Mayor Bloomberg and the Yanks' owners put forward a plan to make the team's $1-billion-or-so stadium project eligible for tax-exempt bonds, which are normally not allowed for private projects. The trick? Even though the Steinbrenner clan will be paying for all construction costs for the stadium itself (the city gets to pay for a few hundred million in exciting stuff like underpasses and sewer lines), they're calling those expenses "payments in lieu of property taxes" (PILOTs) in order to meet the feds' requirement that tax-free bonds be paid for with public tax revenues. (The Mets used a similar scheme for Citi Field.) While many tax experts looked askance at the dodge, the IRS (after lobbying by Charles Rangel) okayed it, and the Yanks broke ground a few weeks later.

Since then, the Yankees have asked for another $350 million in tax-free bonds (to pay for, among other things, a snazzier scoreboard), while Nets owner Bruce Ratner has proposed floating $800 million in tax-exempt bonds for his planned Brooklyn arena via the same PILOT dodge. The IRS, however, has spent the last two years trying to concoct new regulations that would reconcile the PILOT scheme with existing law.

The final regulations, obtained today and provided to the Voice by Norman Oder of the Atlantic Yards Report, require that stadium PILOTs float with the property's tax assessment - which makes sense, since for IRS purposes they're supposedly really property taxes operating under deep cover. That would significantly reduce the benefits to teams, since bondholders tend not to be thrilled about having their bond payments fluctuate with the real estate market. The IRS does, however, include a couple of outs for projects already in the works:

The new regs provide "broader flexibility for phased adjustments to PILOTs during the development, construction, or initial start-up period of the property." This could be used to justify the Yanks' use of additional bonds under the same rules as they got in 2006, as an "adjustment" of their previous PILOTs.

http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2008/10/3433_more_on_the_irs.html

My connection is too slow at the moment but this video link by OTL should better explain the financing of Yankee Stadium. No idea if it is clear on third-party events.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3665106&categoryid=3286128

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
3. There's a perfectly good soccer-only stadium in nearby Harrison, N.J.
Mon Jul 23, 2012, 02:20 PM
Jul 2012

the home of MLS' New York Red Bulls. It is accessible from NYC via PATH train.

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