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MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:32 AM Nov 2014

White fear of Black men

Bonnie Berman Cushing

I have been devoted to a white anti-racist path for close to a dozen years, but I still stiffen with fear and a state of heightened awareness when I find myself alone on a darkened street with one or more Black men nearby.

As a dedicated student of anti-racist facts and principles I know intellectually that white people are five times more likely to be attacked by another white person than by a Black one and that two-thirds of the rapes committed in our country are by white men. I am aware that the vast majority of corporate criminals are white and that most of our politicians who have declared war – bringing death and destruction to millions – also have the same skin color as I do. My own experience includes a mugging at gunpoint and a date rape – both at the hands of white men. And yet I have never found myself anxiously responding to a white male or males on an evening walk the way I do in the presence of Black men. Why, exactly, is that?

I believe there are several reasons for this disturbing phenomenon and that it certainly isn’t limited only to me, but also to most (if not all) white folks – and many people of color as well. History, psychology and media all play a significant role. The myth of the predatory Black man stands on the shoulders of centuries of stories and images shared from one generation to the next, sometimes directly and sometimes in coded messaging (such as admonishments to lock the car in certain neighborhoods or clutch your pocketbook closely on certain elevators and streets). Our collective fear of the Black man has a rich and detailed history, one that by this time has practically been encoded in our national DNA.

A Black woman, writing under the name M. Gibson, expressed this truth succinctly in a comment on a blog site shortly after a police officer killed Oscar Grant in Oakland, California:

As a nation we seem to have very short memories. Fear of the black man just didn’t start overnight, and it didn’t just happen during the course of our lifetime; like any singularity it has to have a beginning. Its origin has been embedded in this nation’s consciousness since the Nat Turner revolt; a pathological fear that the oppressed will one day rise up and inflict vengeance upon the oppressor.


http://euroamerican.org/wordpress/index.php/2013/03/10/white-fear-of-black-men/
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White fear of Black men (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2014 OP
a wise history professor handmade34 Nov 2014 #1
And my reading list grows longer...... daleanime Nov 2014 #6
glad to have offered it to you... handmade34 Nov 2014 #10
Wow Mr Dixon Dec 2014 #32
She should complete her second paragraph with the rest of the facts. 7962 Nov 2014 #2
I don't know about you, but I certainly fear those white male mass killers brush Nov 2014 #3
Whites also seem to have a corner on the pedophile crime as well. 7962 Nov 2014 #12
Don't assume take what some one is telling you.... daleanime Nov 2014 #4
n/s JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #9
Notice the fallacy of the "war on blacks" is also mentioned in the article. 7962 Nov 2014 #11
Yep JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #13
No, I wouldnt either. 7962 Nov 2014 #15
I can do whatever I want JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #25
Oh I dont deny it happened yrs ago. But now they're moving back. 7962 Nov 2014 #26
Agreed Mr Dixon Dec 2014 #33
Check out the Blacks Are Magic Unicorns article JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #14
funny how they mention the "angry black female" 7962 Nov 2014 #16
She's a stereotype JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #17
This reminds me of Eldrige Cleaver's writings on the super masculine black male brush Nov 2014 #18
Very familiar with Cleaver! JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #19
"Delicate"? He hasnt met my ex-wife. 7962 Nov 2014 #20
Uh-oh! At least she's your ex. nt brush Nov 2014 #21
That is one HELL of a read Number23 Nov 2014 #23
ITA JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #24
Interracial dating/marriage is just one of many, many, many, MANY topics that DU does not do well Number23 Nov 2014 #27
I used to see Eldridge Cleaver at church. kwassa Nov 2014 #28
A repug and a Morman, that is a strange life . . . brush Nov 2014 #30
it is only a fallacy to the ignorant noiretextatique Nov 2014 #31
The Seven Times figure that you cite ... 1StrongBlackMan Nov 2014 #29
K&R.... daleanime Nov 2014 #5
Funny who shows up JustAnotherGen Nov 2014 #7
The last paragraph says it all. marble falls Nov 2014 #8
Why would any Black American want to kill a white American? randys1 Nov 2014 #22

handmade34

(22,757 posts)
1. a wise history professor
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:10 AM
Nov 2014

of mine, after class one day, without much comment, handed me a well worn copy of "The Strange Career of Jim Crow" I have since put it on my Kindle and just started to reread it the other night...




"What we are witnessing today is no accident"


Having served as the national scapegoat in the reconciliation and reunion of North and South," writes Woodward, "the Negro was now pressed into service as a sectional scapegoat in the reconciliation of estranged white classes and the reunion of the Solid South. The bitter violence and blood-letting recriminations of the campaigns between white conservatives and white radicals in the 'nineties had opened wounds that could not be healed by ordinary political nostrums and free-silver slogans. The only formula powerful enough to accomplish that was the magical formula of white supremacy, applied without stint and without any of the old conservative reservations of paternalism, without deference to any lingering resistance of Northern liberalism, or any fear of further check from a defunct Southern Populism." (82-83) In effect, African-Americans became a sacrifice to perpetuate the white man's peace.


http://www.kevincmurphy.com/woodward.html

The fear that black people would become too wealthy or accomplished was what caused early twentieth century southern whites to strategically lynch some of the most accomplished black families, the ones who owned a horse and buggy or a nice suit jacket... White fear has systematically and by design demolished and suppressed black wealth, mobility, and familial progress for over three centuries. What we are witnessing today is no accident.


http://watercoolerconvos.com/2014/08/10/white-fear-the-single-greatest-killer-of-black-people-in-the-us/


Why did Jim Crow become entrenched in the 1890s? The third-party Populist uprising of that decade threatened conservative Democratic rule in the South. Many of those blacks who could still vote, and the number was considerable, joined the Populist insurgency. To check this political rebellion and prevent blacks from wielding the balance of power in close elections, southern Democrats appealed to white solidarity to defeat the Populists, whipped up anti-Negro sentiment, disfranchised African Americans, and imposed strict de jure (by law) segregation.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
2. She should complete her second paragraph with the rest of the facts.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:51 AM
Nov 2014

Whites are far more likely to be attacked by other whites, just as blacks are far more likely to be attacked by other blacks. However, when the crime is mixed race, whites are 7 times more likely to be killed by blacks than the number of blacks killed by whites. Hence, her feelings are prejudiced by her knowledge, just as many blacks have the exact same feeling. Its not racism to have those fears. Jesse Jackson said some time ago how bad it made him feel to feel relieved to know people coming up behind him on the street were white. Its a shame, but its true.
I wonder how those numbers change if you include unwarranted POLICE attacks on blacks. Since they're never called "crimes". In a way, its worse because everyone should be able to trust the police. Although from stories I've seen in the past few weeks, its seems police have been trying to spread their brutality around more equally quite a bit
Now her comments about white collar criminals is also true. There are a lot of bankers, etc, that should be in jail. I dont know why our Justice Dept has been so slack going after them for more than just a "fine". But someone robbing you from afar doesnt put you in fear for your life. It certainly pisses you off though.

brush

(53,820 posts)
3. I don't know about you, but I certainly fear those white male mass killers
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:14 AM
Nov 2014

Aurora, Sandy Hook, Santa Barbara — maybe you and Jesse should rethink who to fear coming up behind you.

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
4. Don't assume take what some one is telling you....
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:17 AM
Nov 2014

is what you want to hear. Fear is not reasonable.

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
9. n/s
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:56 AM
Nov 2014
To get to the more sensational conclusion, the article considers interracial homicide as a percentage of total homicides. And indeed, measured that way the "rate" of interracial murder has gone up. But it's an odd way to measure. The vast, vast majority of murders are intraracial. And, as noted, those murders have been dropping considerably. The interracial murder rate has been dropping, too. According to the Scripps Howard review, the raw number of black-on-white and white-on-black murders combined was about the same in 2010 as it was in the early 1980s. But the United States population has grown considerably in that time, from 227 million in 1980, to 315 million today. So if you measure it the way all other crime is measured, the interracial murder rate has dropped, not increased.

It is true that the rate of interracial crime hasn't dropped nearly as much as intraracial crime. Why might that be? Believe it or not, the news here is encouraging, too.

We aren't seeing the same rate of progress with interracial killings as we're seeing in the overall murder rate because the country is becoming more integrated. That's a good thing. You're much more likely to be killed over someone you know than by a stranger. So as blacks and whites are increasingly living together and interacting, there are more opportunities for feuds over money, love, and whatever other sorts of quarrels lead to violence. This, too, is suggested in the data: "In the 1980s, about 47 percent of white-on-black killings occurred between people who were strangers. That figure dropped to 40 percent since 2000." So not only is the rate of interracial killing going down, the rate of interracial killing among strangers -- murders more likely to be brought about by raw racism -- is dropping even faster.

The Scripps Howard piece also takes a regional approach: "Contrary to popular stereotypes, interracial killings are relatively rare in rural Deep South states, occurring at a rate well below the national average. Several crime experts agreed this rise reflects increasing social contact between Americans of different races occurring in many, but not all, communities."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/24/black-america-2013_n_3639934.html
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
11. Notice the fallacy of the "war on blacks" is also mentioned in the article.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:34 AM
Nov 2014

Bottom line seems to be, be careful who you associate with and where you live. Especially the former.

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
13. Yep
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 11:45 AM
Nov 2014

I wouldn't want to live in some place like - Jasper TX ya know!

*Posted in AA Group - If offended Please Move on. That's the place of a very famous Hate Crime*

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
15. No, I wouldnt either.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:24 PM
Nov 2014

I'm happy that those mongrels got the death penalty; hopefully they'll see the needle soon.
But if you're gonna cite an article, you cant just pick a piece of it you like, you have to consider the whole thing. It is what it is and the numbers are what they are. I'm sure you dont like it, neither do I. As another poster pointed out, whites commit most of the mass killings. I stated that they also are most of the pedophiles. I dont like it, but I cant deny it either.

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
25. I can do whatever I want
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:31 AM
Nov 2014

I'm a group host. Considered the whole thing.

It's like when we got into it re Fulton County a few weeks ago - you can't deny white flight there - or in Detroit.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
26. Oh I dont deny it happened yrs ago. But now they're moving back.
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 08:31 AM
Nov 2014

I guess the "fear" isnt what it used to be! As a matter of fact, in Atlanta the fear is among the power structure worrying that they may not be able to run everything forever. Look back at the Atl mayoral elections a few years ago and what was made public there when it looked like a white woman might win. But where I live there are no all black or white neighborhoods. I doubt theres even a whole street thats all one or the other.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
16. funny how they mention the "angry black female"
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:26 PM
Nov 2014

When we usually hear about the "angry white male" around every election cycle!

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
17. She's a stereotype
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:45 PM
Nov 2014

We hear her and are fed here 24 * 7 365.

White guys have it easy. They only have to take the punch during election cycles.

Check out the book Sister Citizen - it clearly illustrates how the 'Angry Black Female' has been used for 100 years by society (out side of politics) to beat up emotionally and spiritiually on black women.

She goes hand in hand with Sapphire . . .


Not at all to be confused with a tragic mulatto.

Oh wait - is that? OH - oh my . . .

brush

(53,820 posts)
18. This reminds me of Eldrige Cleaver's writings on the super masculine black male
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:47 PM
Nov 2014

You're probably familiar with his book "Soul on Ice" in which Cleaver talks about how white men had tamed the white woman into a weak-minded, weak-bodied, delicate sexpot on a pedestal, and in turn labelled the black woman a strong, self-reliant Amazon and deposited her in the kitchen like Aunt Jemima. He labeled himself the omnipotent administrator and boss, while black men were thought of as super-masculine menials with great brawn and magical sexual prowess — to be used only on black women however, while he himself could continue to use black women for his pleasure while keeping the white woman on her pedestal.

These writings are from the 60s and predate the women's movement and the decline in the fortunes of many white men but the memes of the magical sexuality of black men and the sexual allure of black women by many white men persists.

Here's a link:

http://books.google.com/books?id=55o1AcFCX1oC&pg=PA170&lpg=PA170&dq=eldridge+cleaver+and+super+masculine+black+male&source=bl&ots=Pz2KpFmQCP&sig=fXh7y3Cgk73YQZFP22gfIK71quA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SR9qVO7QE8u4ogS2hYDwCQ&ved=0CE8Q6AEwDA#v=onepage&q=eldridge%20cleaver%20and%20super%20masculine%20black%20male&f=false

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
19. Very familiar with Cleaver!
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:06 PM
Nov 2014

See my post below this -

http://www.amazon.com/Sister-Citizen-Shame-Stereotypes-America/dp/0300188188


Harris-Perry brings it into this century.

The best thing she does which grows on prior work in the area is the evolution of 'Mammy' to 'Welfare Queen'. But 'Mammy' could only exist as long as Slavery By Any Other name was around - just as The New Jim Crow 'concept' and incarceration rates lend hand to the Welfare Queen.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
23. That is one HELL of a read
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:16 PM
Nov 2014

It is in parts gripping, terrifying, illuminating and funny as hell all at the same time.

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
24. ITA
Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:29 AM
Nov 2014

Goes back to that guy tat got all of those recs for that awful thread when the Cheerios commercial came out two summers ago. He got the boot - but he obviously had bought into the status quo.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
28. I used to see Eldridge Cleaver at church.
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 12:56 PM
Nov 2014

Early '90s, church in Santa Monica. He looked much older than he was, and walked with a cane. He was still hitting on the choir director, who did not appreciate it.

According to his Wiki bio, he had become a conservative Republican and a Morman, and this church was neither.

What a strange life.

brush

(53,820 posts)
30. A repug and a Morman, that is a strange life . . .
Thu Nov 20, 2014, 12:30 AM
Nov 2014

considering his past in the Black Panther Party and the time spent in Cuba and Algeria.

Sounds like a soul who doesn't know who he is yet at an advanced age — sad.

noiretextatique

(27,275 posts)
31. it is only a fallacy to the ignorant
Fri Nov 21, 2014, 01:56 PM
Nov 2014

that war has been raging since this slavery. it is reflected in targeted laws, higher arrest and conviction rates, and longer sentences. among other things.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
29. The Seven Times figure that you cite ...
Wed Nov 19, 2014, 05:26 PM
Nov 2014

has been debunked, debunked and debunked again, yet it persists ... largely because of the level of numeric illiteracy in America (i.e., we look at raw numbers and try to draw conclusions). {ETA: I mean no offense, but since you cite to the numbers, I have to assume this group}

Here are some highlights (but I recommend reading the full piece ... if nothing else, you will gain a lesson in the understanding of numbers):


Despite claims by right-wingers (both mainstream and overtly white supremacist) that violent crime by African-Americans is out of control — and that blacks are criminally victimizing whites at massive and disproportionate rates — the facts say otherwise. As I show in the below analysis:

* Only about 1 percent of African Americans — and no more than 2 percent of black males — will commit a violent crime in a given year;

* Even though there are more black-on-white interracial crimes than white-on-black interracial crimes, this fact is not evidence of anti-white racial targeting by black offenders. Rather, it is completely explained by two factors having nothing to do with anti-white bias: namely, the general differences in rates of criminal offending, and the rates at which whites and blacks encounter one another (and thus, have the opportunity to victimize one another). Once these two factors are “controlled for” in social science terms, the actual rates of black-on-white crime are lower than random chance would predict;

* No more than 0.7 percent (seven-tenths of one percent) of African Americans will commit a violent crime against a white person in a given year, and fewer than 0.3 (three-tenths of one percent) of whites will be victimized by a black person in a given year;

* Whites are 6 times as likely to be murdered by another white person as by a black person; and overall, the percentage of white Americans who will be murdered by a black offender in a given year is only 2/10,000ths of 1 percent (0.0002). This means that only 1 in every 500,000 white people will be murdered by a black person in a given year. Although the numbers of black-on-white homicides are higher than the reverse (447 to 218 in 2010), the 218 black victims of white murderers is actually a higher percentage of the black population interracially killed than the 447 white victims of black murderers as a percentage of the white population. In fact, any given black person is 2.75 times as likely to be murdered by a white person as any given white person is to be murdered by an African American.

http://www.timwise.org/2013/08/race-crime-and-statistical-malpractice-how-the-right-manipulates-white-fear-with-bogus-data/

JustAnotherGen

(31,856 posts)
7. Funny who shows up
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:24 AM
Nov 2014

To make it all about black folks really truly being vicious.

Totally ignored back here - until they find a way to land a punch.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
22. Why would any Black American want to kill a white American?
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:35 PM
Nov 2014

There simply isnt anything in our history, whether that be a very long time ago


(insert photo of lynching here, I did that once and my post was hidden, imagine that, on DU)

or recent history

(insert photo of witch doctor Obama or story about Michael Brown or any number of other young Black males being shot by non Black people)

Surely it doesnt have anything to do with things like interstate cross checking of names preventing minorities from voting or in Florida in 2000 when Katherine Harris illegally dumped 90,000 AA from the voting rolls, would it?

Cant be about how Black people are followed around stores while white people arent or Black people unable to get a cab in a city or an apartment.

Nope, not saying of these things warrant shooting white people, but I can assure you if the roles were reversed there would be a whole lotta shooting going on...

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