White Privilege is real and Slavery was EVIL!!!

[rbrnmw]

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How hard is that to understand? When you have self proclaimed progressives denying White Privilege and saying slavery made poor white folks the victim. How do you have any room for civil discussion?

[randys1]

1. Who/where did someone say slavery made poor white folks the victim

i would love to argue with them

[rbrnmw]

5. it was in GD

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A thread about a book about slavery I'll find then edit to add link


I gave the wrong link I'll find the right one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5494825

[Louisiana1976]

2. White privilege is like global warming--some will deny it but it exists. And as for slavery--how

could it have made poor whites the victim? It was blacks who were the victims of slavery. Which was evil.

[Scootaloo]

4. Well...

Because poor whites living in the south were disadvantaged by slavery. There was no way to join the economy, when labor was effectively free, forcing poor whites - defined as those who could not afford slaves of their own - to live off of subsistence. Really, not much different from how it worked in other slave societies - who would ever pay you to work, when they can have free labor instead.

Things were still VASTLY worse for slaves - only an idiot would argue otherwise - but hte system of slavery created dysfunction and deprivation beyond just the immediate victims of the institution.

[AverageJoe90]

10. That's true.

Yes, indeed, poor whites also got shafted by the system. But even the most destitute white man never had it quite as horribly bad as many slaves did, and I would be genuinely stunned to see someone here claim it was the other way around.

[CreekDog]

32. as "many slaves", who are these slaves better off than a poor white man who is not a slave?

[Journeyman]

8. When white workers tried to unionize the Tredegar Iron Works in Richmond, Virginia in 1847. . .

they were forced out by the owners and replaced by slave labor.

White mechanics and various other artisans tried to get laws passed throughout the antebellum era to restrict the labor of slave craftsmen, only to be thwarted by the planter class at every turn.

A textile worker in New England in 1860 was paid almost half-again more than whites doing similar work in the South.

Yeoman farmers labored in competition with slaves, for market values were set by the output from large farms that benefitted from reduced labor costs associated with use of slaves.

Slavery had an impact on everyone -- whomever and wherever it touched -- and that impact never proved positive for anyone.

[AverageJoe90]

16. All very true, btw.

Though, I'll admit I haven't read up all that much on the Tredegar thing. Got any good sources I can look at?

[Journeyman]

18. You can find mention of the strike on a number of websites. . .

though in the quick look I just made, nothing that goes in much depth beyond my comment above.

Here are some sources with a little more info:

http://www.nps.gov/resources/story.htm?id=223

http://www.virginiamemory.com/online_classroom/shaping_the_constitution/doc/tredegarstrike

http://prezi.com/a4gb01dpksgx/tredegar-iron-works/

(The last is an interesting slide show presentation on the history of the Tredegar Works.)

On a more academic level, this book that deals with the Tredegar Strike and the whole question of American slavery in somewhat greater depth:

The Peculiar Institution: Slavery in the Ante-Bellum South, by Kenneth M. Stampp (1956)

[arcane1]

3. I consider myself fortunate in that I've only seen trolls take those positions

I hope it stays that way!

[Mister Ed]

6. White Privilege is real, slavery was evil, and water is wet.

I share your astonishment that anyone on earth can think there's room for debate about it.

[1dogleft]

14. well

someone should have told those poor southern whites who could find no work nor could they get financial assistance from the government (because that sort of thing did not exist) about there white privilege.

[AverageJoe90]

17. This is true, by the way.

Systemic racism also helped hurt Southern whites, even if not as directly, by denying them labor rights, and sufficient welfare, etc. LBJ knew this quite well: why do we think he started the Great Society programs? That was part of it. And welcome to DU

[Number23]

19. Why am I not shocked to see you agreeing with abject stupidity?

[1dogleft]

23. thanks

interesting place

[JustAnotherGen]

29. More so with you here!

So what's up your story? What prompted you to join DU a week or so ago? The great race debates?

[Number23]

20. Those "poor Southern whites" still lived as kings compared to slaves

Get the hell out of here with this BS.

[1dogleft]

24. nothing

like a good conversation

[JustAnotherGen]

28. What conversation?

Christopher Tracy wants to know!

[heaven05]

30. slavery was lifelong prison

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and death sentence, with no freedoms whatsoever. 'Poor' whites could move around at will, white privilege, hunt down runaway slaves, a definite white privilege and while the upper classes of whites held their nose at a poor whites passing, those poor whites were still able to believe, and definitely did, that they were better than any slave, ALL THE TIME. Your entrance/contributions onto this board.............shall be watched

[JustAnotherGen]

35. Oh - they are and they are I *think*

Being viewed 'favorably' outside of the group.

[LanternWaste]

36. You should attempt it then...

You should attempt it then...

[rbrnmw]

21. excuse me if I can not find pity for them

Many of these poor whites abused the slaves every bit as much as the plantation owners. Slaves were humans and these poor put upon white folks were abusive and hateful to them they were not human to white folks rich or poor. You tell me how the slave had it so much better than white folks who were at least considered human. Slaves had their children ripped away from them and sold their wives raped in front of them. They were beaten to the point that their backs looked like hamburger then most had salt rubbed into their wounds. That didn't. happen to poor white folks only slaves. Some were feed like animals eating out of troughs and not given anything to bed down on even on the coldest nights. Yeah I feel so sorry for those poor put upon white people who were free to move to find work if they so chose. Go ahead and revise history all you like it doesn't change the truth. It does however say a lot about the type of person who would chose to revise it.

[kwassa]

25. These poor whites would get work before poor blacks would. That's the privilege.

[Rhiannon12866]

27. Well said, thank you.

I agree completely.

[AverageJoe90]

9. Umm.....pardon me, but who, exactly said.....

That slavery made poor whites the victims instead of African-Americans? I'd like to see some proof for this before I make any judgement on the matter.

[gollygee]

11. You were in the thread

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5494825

The bottom half of it. You weren't in that part of the thread. Maybe that happened after you saw it.

[heaven05]

31. oh man

you stepped in it with the women just last week with this same asinine "who me?" BS. You just dug deeper and deeper until I thought you were buried. Guess not. Geez.

[JustAnotherGen]

33. He has been banned from this group

[Enthusiast]

12. Kicked and recommended!

White privilege is certainly real, I've experienced it first hand.

I can only imagine slavery. From what I can determine, white people can hardly imagine how bad slavery was. Evil comes to mind.

[randys1]

15. Just had another post hidden by white privilege

Sorry folks, but white privilege i guess is here to stay for longer than we may have hoped

[heaven05]

34. always has been

those who deny white privilege exists are afraid to lose it, so just understand the basis of their denial. Fear.

[heaven05]

37. Oh yeah

I remember that. Truth is not something that can be denied, just banned in print and other MSM, which in this country is happening. The laws of this country were and still are designed to benefit one privileged segment of our 'democracy'/society. Until the idiots in blue, who are driven by insane racism, are held to the same legal standard as the ones they are murdering, the "privilege" and "evil" that some enjoy shall continue. DA's and judges the same. There is one privileged class and one class that is oppressed by the privileged class, subtly, by taking voting rights and civil rights away slowly. No ifs, and or buts about it. The sad part is that part of the oppressed class keeps voting for people who design laws to oppress them because fox snooze can keep them bamboozled, so nothing can be done about their lack of education or concern for the facts. JIM CROW is back, thank you very much, and it is in the abrogated voting rights, that evil Mr. Crow, these days, is attacking most vigorously. I'm just waiting for ALL my civil rights to be repealed-abolished in favor of the privileged class. The times are evil, driven by a not so subtle reactionary force bred in the 70's starting with Nixon's 'Southern Strategy". LeeAtwater and Kevin Phillips drudged that one up from a long history of hate and racism in southern mentality and culture. Any purist can google 'southern strategy'. It's all there.

Atwater and Phillips just took advantage of southern mentality and culture and it worked. That strategy has evolved and is much more pervasive today. Even the Supreme Court is not without taint from it by any stretch of the imagination.

A lot of americans, even some here, will deny any racism or class stratification exists. They will talk that post-racial society BS, but the walk is the other way. Deeper into the chasm of hate and bigotry.

Thank God for logical, reasoned, AWAKE people, like you, not lulled by honey boo boo and her cousin's family the Palin's. I plan on staying awake with you and many others and one day, I fear, a line must be drawn in the sand and what comes, will be.

[JustAnotherGen]

38. Amen!

A lot of americans, even some here, will deny any racism or class stratification exists. They will talk that post-racial society BS, but the walk is the other way. Deeper into the chasm of hate and bigotry.

[heaven05]

39. I sent that post

to the wrong person, that rbrn self deleted post..... I meant that last post for you. I don't know how that happened. Pushed the wrong button, maybe I did....geez I get so confused....