Cross-posted from DU:GD-P ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

*** Public Service Announcement ***

I attended a political event, yesterday. It was attended by African-American Democrats ... supporters of Bernie and HRC.

We all had a good time. There was no rushing the dais, no calling of officials "bitches" or "whores", no death threats or calls to violence, no chair or bottle throwing.

Arizona is a crazy place ... But, it confirmed that Arizona Democrats are better than what occurred in Nevada.

Or, maybe, it's just ... well ... never-mind ...

[TexasProgresive]

1. Thanks for a glimmer of hope that there are some reasonable people in our party

even if they are Arizonians. (only the last part is sarcasm)

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. LOL ...

Democrats are Democrats ... even in Arizona.

I guess Black Democrats know our history ... We hang (party) together, or we will, certainly, hang apart.

[TexasProgresive]

5. That should be our motto as Democrats

Too many would be hanged to spite the rest.

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. But, those willing to see folks hanged ...

think they will be spared the hanging.

I have said before, I (and my family) have the resources to survive a trump presidency, even if that means travelling abroad. But, I'm not trying to see that.

[LiberalArkie]

10. Who was it that said " I am not a member of any organized party, I am a Democrat"

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. And, when you toss in committed non-Democrats ... Well ... n/t

[mountain grammy]

20. Will Rodgers

[Hekate]

22. It was funny when Will Rogers said it because he was poking fun. DU has kinda worn it out.

If I had a nickel for every time someone here has quoted that as an excuse to bash fellow Democrats and refuse all compromise, I could retire to Canada. Eh?

[LiberalArkie]

24. Democrats as long as I have been alive have always been like herding cats. The Republicans

really never had a problem until this year. They just hated the Democrats and what ever came out of the mouth of their leaders was like it came from the mountain top engraved in tablets. That is why the Democrats have always been about change for the better, our party has so many different viewpoints and peoples that it takes a while to come to a consensus.

[1StrongBlackMan]

29. But, sadly, these days ...

Democrats (as represented by DU) seem to be just anti-damned hear everything ... without any idea of how to actually be about change for the better, except to scream, "If only {insert improbable event here}", while doing nothing beyond the screaming.

[Surya Gayatri]

25. "DU has kinda worn it out". Understatement of the day on DU...

[FairWinds]

31. Will Rogers, my Mom's favorite

[JustAnotherGen]

2. You mean

Democratic Party Members came together?


Who'da thunk it!

[blm]

4. Same thing here in NC - none of my Sanders supporting Dems are at war with HRC's voters and

we are all working our butts off to get Dems elected in November. Working TOGETHER. This is why it is difficult for me to believe this highly disruptive group using vulgarity and violence are REAL Sanders supporters. They sound like the exact same type of operatives sent in to divide the left and Dems the GOP has relied on for decades. Remember union 'violence' that turned out to be started by disruptors? VVAW being infiltrated by new members urging 'violent' actions? The many Rand Paul bots posing as lefties and posting here at DU over the years?

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. I know ...

Same thing here in NC - none of my Sanders supporting Dems are at war with HRC's voters and we are all working our butts off to get Dems elected in November. Working TOGETHER. This is why it is difficult for me to believe this highly disruptive group using vulgarity and violence are REAL Sanders supporters.

Makes you wonder, huh?

[blm]

7. Heh….I don't 'wonder'….I know. Been here too long to 'wonder' whether a troll is a troll.

They are pretty apparent to some of us long timers here. We've seen their act in 3 Dem primaries.

[1StrongBlackMan]

9. I know ...

But let's just pretend that the trolls are committed supporters.

[emulatorloo]

46. yup, very apparent to me too.

[Turin_C3PO]

11. Same here in New Mexico...

We all hang out and believe in the same liberal philosophy. The only difference politically between us is that we Sanders people believe in more hasty action, whereas the Clinton peeps seem to be more pragmatic. No animosity at all.

Im a white guy with cystic fibrosis, preventing me from working more than around 3 hours a day. I rely on disability and expanded Medicaid from the ACA. I don't have the privilege of pouting and being a "Bernie or Bust" person. I might not survive if Trump were to gut the ACA.

So any Bernie peeps who are planning to not vote for Hill in the GE, remember this: Some minorities, women, the disabled, and the poor may not survive a Trump presidency. Please be empathetic to us.

[1StrongBlackMan]

15. Sadly, I'm getting the impression that the Bernie or Bust crew ...

don't care whether you survive or not.

[DrBulldog]

33. Well, do you think that Hillary supporters actually give a damn about the country as well?

Gimme me a break. It's all about Hillary getting her power-addiction satisfied.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Well, yes ...

I think HRC supporters, the vast majority of whom would vote Democratic, regardless of who the nominee is, care about the country.

It's all about Hillary getting her power-addiction satisfied.

No ... It's about preventing a trump presidency.

[blm]

19. You should consider posting this as an OP. Straight up - it should be seen by more eyeballs.

Not all of us Sanders supporters fit the cookie cutter image that some Sanders group thinkers here at DU wish to impose on the rest of us. If we are longtime Democrats and support the Dem party and Sanders, then we are labeled as 'suspect' or Hillary-trolls pretending to be Sanders supporters. Incredibly narrow-minded and detrimental to the overall cause. IMO, they are the ones not really listening to Sanders.

[Hortensis]

38. I'd forgotten that I could drop in here for

a little relief and rebalancing. This has been overall a lovely, reassuring thread. I remind myself constantly that GD-P isn't real, and neither is the media coverage, that a large majority of Democratic voters will be glad to be able to vote for a Democrat for president, and still more just will no matter what, but this thread makes me feel once again that that is of course simple reality.

[Turin_C3PO]

39. Ok i just posted in GD:P

[Surya Gayatri]

27. Turin, this reply is SO good, I wish you'd repost it as an OP.

I know the thought of posting in GD-P is daunting, but your pertinent and personal experience needs to be known.

[Turin_C3PO]

37. OK I just posted there.

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I'm kind of expecting to be called a troll or brockbot or something, but so be it.

[Surya Gayatri]

45. Would you mind posting a link here? That way, we can all go over to GD-P and rec it up.

I almost never go over there now, so a link would be useful! Thanks.

[blm]

49. Thank you - reasonable members will appreciate your point.

Trolls will hate it and probably attack you in hopes of furthering the divide here at DU.

[wildeyed]

40. Forward together,

not one step back!

[MisterP]

13. that's 'cuz they had someone else do the cheating for them?

[1StrongBlackMan]

16. LOL ...

African-American Bernie supporters had someone else do the cheating for them?

Silly, you!

[pnwmom]

14. Glad to hear it!

I also went this weekend to a non-political event in the midwest where the subject of politics did come up, more than once. The spectrum ranged all the way from Hillary to Bernie -- and everyone got alone fine.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. We must not confuse DU and the intertubes for real life.

[pnwmom]

18. Or online, self-selected polls for a representative sampling of voter opinion. n/t

[Hekate]

23. That cannot be said too often, and thank gods for it.

[LiberalArkie]

26. DU is a lot like the 60's protest organizing meetings. Almost a knock-down-drag-out fight

about what to do until consensus was reached. Everyone had their own idea they were pushing, their own goals they wanted to reach. At some time it all came together. That was just how it worked with liberal free thinkers back then.

Now when the conservatives decided to protest something, the head of the group just said This is what we are doing. And away thy went.

If you had 2 rooms planning some event, and one you could hear people talking and the other sounded like the final fight scene from Blazing Saddles, you knew which room the Democrats were in.

Once the planning was agreed to though the Democrats would walk though fire and police and everything to achieve their goal, the conservatives, they had a tendency to kind of scatter when something came up.

[1StrongBlackMan]

32. Except, those 60s protest meetings ...

were populated with people that believed/understood they had a real stake in the outcome; and therefore, would actually show up.

[wildeyed]

41. That is not the case anymore.

Tea Party conservatives just 'jacked the GOP from their corporate masters. That's the real revolution these days.

And none of the liberal organizing meeting I go to are like what you describe except the freakin' local Democratic Party. I stopped going to those because who has time for that bullshit? But we walk through some fire too, just without the drama.

[LiberalArkie]

43. I went once, and with the N & black %$^$$ every 3 or 4 words and

F**** communist Sanders and "No Way In Hell Hill", I just casually walked out. I guess at the Democratic party here that they are Trump supporters.

[Surya Gayatri]

28. Thank heavens. There IS life outside of the DU hot house.

[mountain grammy]

21. My local and county caucuses were practically love fests.

In a red county like ours, we may not agree but we stick together. We have to.

[Surya Gayatri]

30. Those NV agitators were NOT Democrats. They were professional provocateurs, and they used textbook

tactics to provoke disruption and disorder.

[NBachers]

34. You know, I was looking forward to this electoral season. I was proud of our strong candidates.

Somehow, I thought Democrats would stay strong, and pull for each other, whoever it was. I thought that there would be a lot of cross - support for the candidates. I'm disappointed in the abusive Democrat on Democrat shitstorm that it has become.

[1StrongBlackMan]

36. Well ... What could be expected when ...

one half of the contest is made up of folks that self-describe as "Democrat" as a Tertiary or fourth political descriptor.

[wildeyed]

42. Just maybe it is.

Yes, I know many Sanders and Clinton supporters IRW who the real enemy is AND how to behave in public.

[brer cat]

44. I think that those who are creating problems

are those who have nothing or very little to lose in the election. Many of us are very concerned about how people would survive a Trump presidency, and therefore are committed to doing everything positive we can to elect dems from the WH all the way down the ticket. I always thought that was what we were supposed to do.

I am glad that you got to spend some time outside the DU bubble meeting real voters who understand the real issues.

[stone space]

47. Your experience in Arizona was much like my own experience at the Iowa Democratic Caucus.

I didn't see there anything even remotely resembling a Jerry Springer episode, either.

[ismnotwasm]

48. K&R