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Stellar

(5,644 posts)
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:31 PM Apr 2016

How “Nina” Became A Disaster Movie

Much More: BuzzFeed

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The outcry against the casting of Saldana began immediately after it was announced in August 2012, and it grew loud enough that the New York Times wrote about the subject’s complexities. A consensus of media, scholars, and fans felt strongly — according to the Times — that casting the lighter-skinned Saldana, who is black and Latina, was an example of colorism, and that Simone’s physical image was of particular significance because the singer, pianist, and civil rights activist had “celebrated her looks, which were unconventional by show-business standards.”

Most damningly, the article quoted Simone’s daughter, Lisa Simone Kelly, criticizing the filmmakers’ casting decision. “My mother was raised at a time when she was told her nose was too wide, her skin was too dark,” Simone Kelly said. “Appearance-wise this is not the best choice.” (Saldana’s publicist said she was not available to be interviewed regarding Nina. Reached through Facebook, Simone Kelly said, “I have nothing more to say about Nina.”)

While the clamor over the film ebbed — mostly because it’s taken so long to be released — it erupted again after the trailer was released in March. On Jezebel, Kara Brown wrote, “One of the most harmful products of anti-black racism is the notion that our proximity to whiteness increases our beauty and desirability, not just to white people, but also to each other. By simply existing, Nina Simone confronted this lie.” In The Atlantic, Ta-Nehisi Coates wrote, “There is something deeply shameful — and hurtful — in the fact that even today a young Nina Simone would have a hard time being cast in her own biopic. In this sense, the creation of Nina is not a neutral act. It is part of the problem.”

And after Saldana tweeted a Simone quotation — “I’ll tell you what freedom is to me- No Fear… I mean really, no fear” — the Simone estate’s official Twitter account smacked back: “Cool story but please take Nina’s name out your mouth. For the rest of your life.”

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How “Nina” Became A Disaster Movie (Original Post) Stellar Apr 2016 OP
The documentary about Nina Simone madaboutharry Apr 2016 #1
Oh my God. If they were going to spray paint her a darker shade, couldn't they have done her neck Number23 Apr 2016 #2
ROTF!!!! Stellar Apr 2016 #3
Oh you noticed that too? JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #6
Number 23, now you know...YOU KNOW Chitown Kev May 2016 #15
Face all fudgey brown with that white assed neck Number23 May 2016 #20
Oh dear God ismnotwasm May 2016 #16
OMG! SusanCalvin May 2016 #17
"they couldn't be that stupid, could they?!" Stupid, lazy or clearly don't give a damn Number23 May 2016 #21
From the reviews, apparently that's the explanation. SusanCalvin May 2016 #22
I have no use for this Claymation production of Ms. Simone. Kind of Blue Apr 2016 #4
I love Nina Simone and was very excited about this movie until until the casting was announced. NWCorona Apr 2016 #5
Love Nina Simone and had the pleasure of working with Zoe Saldana, but zappaman Apr 2016 #7
She always considered her self a Latina first and foremost... Stellar Apr 2016 #8
This is how Hispanics identify. kwassa Apr 2016 #9
Well, there you are...she's an American... Stellar Apr 2016 #11
Reviews have pretty much panned this movie as well... MrScorpio Apr 2016 #10
Fell asleep on this mess last night. Quayblue Apr 2016 #12
This is how I remember Nina Simone... Stellar Apr 2016 #13
Some reviews Kind of Blue May 2016 #14
Ouch! Digital Puppy May 2016 #19
Whoa...thanks for sharing! nt Stellar May 2016 #23
I feel sorry for the artist who got roped into this mess. MADem May 2016 #18

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
1. The documentary about Nina Simone
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:56 PM
Apr 2016

makes it so clear how much her appearance played a major role in the trajectory of her career. Hollywood so often does the wrong thing.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
2. Oh my God. If they were going to spray paint her a darker shade, couldn't they have done her neck
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:11 PM
Apr 2016

too??! Good Lord, did they run out of Brown #7 or something??!

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
6. Oh you noticed that too?
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:29 PM
Apr 2016


I watched a Nina Simone documentary on Netflix a couple of months ago - and with what she encountered? This is just so wrong.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
20. Face all fudgey brown with that white assed neck
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:28 AM
May 2016

If they've run out, I will MAIL them some more Chocolate Brown #3 so that they can hit that nape too. Damn.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
17. OMG!
Thu May 5, 2016, 08:35 PM
May 2016

They didn't! Really?? That's got to be a trick of the light - they couldn't be that stupid, could they?!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
21. "they couldn't be that stupid, could they?!" Stupid, lazy or clearly don't give a damn
Fri May 6, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

Probably a bit of all three.

SusanCalvin

(6,592 posts)
22. From the reviews, apparently that's the explanation.
Fri May 6, 2016, 06:51 AM
May 2016

I was going to say "what were they thinking," but it looks like they weren't. What a travesty.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
5. I love Nina Simone and was very excited about this movie until until the casting was announced.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:46 PM
Apr 2016

I was still hopeful but that trailer was all kinds of messy.

This qoute from your link says it all for me. So sad but very true.

"in the fact that even today a young Nina Simone would have a hard time being cast in her own biopic. In this sense, the creation of Nina is not a neutral act. It is part of the problem.”"

Truth be told, Nina was so complex it would be hard for any actress to pull it off.

Thanks for the link!

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
7. Love Nina Simone and had the pleasure of working with Zoe Saldana, but
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

this really does not work for me.
I remember Zoe getting a phone call from her mom and conversing in rapid Spanish.
To be honest, I always thought she was Latina so this is bad casting.
Like really bad.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
8. She always considered her self a Latina first and foremost...
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:35 PM
Apr 2016

Saldana said that there was no such thing as people of color. Go figure.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
9. This is how Hispanics identify.
Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:18 PM
Apr 2016

Nation of origin. They really don't care about our US classifications. They have no cohesion as Hispanics, this is a US category imposed on them. Their racial identification is much more fluid than us as well. It is different in each country. In some countries, it is far worse to be of indigenous heritage than of black heritage.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
11. Well, there you are...she's an American...
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:23 AM
Apr 2016
Born on June 19, 1978 in Passaic, New Jersey, and partly raised in the Dominican Republic, the bilingual Zoe Saldana.


I guess she can be anything that she wants to be. Nina Simone was very passionate about her blackness, and Zoe...not so much.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
12. Fell asleep on this mess last night.
Thu Apr 28, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

As a very dark-skinned woman, it very much burns me up on the inside that at this day and age, we are not represented in abundance and POSITIVELY in media. And this is part of the reason I avoid television and have since I was a teen.

To have to go and spraypaint someone.... Just ugh. The irony of this shit....

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
14. Some reviews
Thu May 5, 2016, 06:07 AM
May 2016
This is the sort of movie where you stumble out thinking, What the hell did I just see? A Nina Simone novice seeing this picture would have no idea who this complex, magnificent artist was, or why she mattered.
Stephanie Zacharek·Time

it is shabby, as well as disjointed, superficial and just plain dull, a dislikable rendering of a tumultuous life.
Joe Morgenstern·Wall Street Journal

Nina Simone cut an awful lot of vinyl, but "Nina" feels like a battered old record - distorting some places, skipping over others.
Stephen Whitty·New York Daily News

As troubling as the implications of Saldana’s casting might be, the actress’s physical appearance in the film — which only approximates Simone’s — is ultimately not the most egregious deviation.
Michael O'Sullivan·Washington Post

A 90-minute-long character assassination, transforming a music legend into a Hanna-Barbera cartoon.
Brian Orndorf Blu-ray.com

At its best, Nina is cosplay karaoke, with Saldana in front of a cinematic jukebox belting her favorite artist's tunes. At its worst, it's an insult.
Alynda Wheat People Magazine

A listless, oddly constructed tale that does a poor job of capturing Simone's star quality or indomitable racial pride ...
Dan DeLuca Philadelphia Inquirer

MADem

(135,425 posts)
18. I feel sorry for the artist who got roped into this mess.
Thu May 5, 2016, 11:38 PM
May 2016

The Nina Simone story CAN be done right--and hopefully someone will do it.

But poor Ms. Saldana has a line item on her resume that she'll have to live down. I'll bet she'll have something to say to her agent (if she hasn't said it already).

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