I like Bernie, but increasingly I have hated his supporters (posted in the AA group for a reason)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

I was discussing the issue of this faux outrage about voting disenfranchisement on facebook, when one of my friends (a strong and early Bernie supporter) responded with almost exactly the same complaint i had

The comment i had made was similar to the one I posted in this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511802965

This is what my friend responded

'Right on, Pri! We might not have voted for the same candidate, but lemme tell you how sick I am of hearing Bernie supporters whine about how unfair the elections process is. It's gotten to the point where I'm phone-banking from home, in isolation, because for the past month or so, I have found that I cannot stand to be around other Berners. The fact that these people are *suddenly* concerned about access to voting just because it affects them is the ultimate mark of privilege. I just want to scream, "Seriously, if you just started caring about election law two days before the election, step aside and stop yelling at people who have been talking and writing about the issue for years." Seriously, just STFU. Now.'

Again, I like Bernie just fine, if he won the nomination I would have voted for him. However, this new found OUTRAGE about voter disenfranchisement, only as it affects Bernie, REALLY makes me mad. of all the issues at play, this issue around voting rights for some reason, has really gotten to me.

[Thinkingabout]

1. K & R, good post.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Hate is a strong word,

and an awful thing.

Life is too short for hate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. let's not pretend that the word hate means the same thing under all conditions

sometimes it just means, irritated by, sometimes it means, cannot stand etc.

[TheCowsCameHome]

8. Then use one of those words from your text.

The word hate means hate.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

11. no, thank you. i like what i said and how i said it. nt

[heaven05]

21. me too

[Jackie Wilson Said]

22. The hate word will always be used against you by those who really know

something about hate.

Not talking about the person who responded to you here, because I dont know them so I wont say they fit this characterization, but most on the right do.

Anytime I have used that word in mixed company (mixed to me means cons are present) it is instantly thrown back in my face, kinda like reverse racism.

There has to be a better word, but you know what, I hate people sometimes too when they show how hateful they are.

[JustAnotherGen]

25. I've asked him to leave below

No point in engaging beyond this.

Disruptive at best - but I suspect it was to attack the person (within TOS) without even responding to the OP. It's going to get crazy around here the next 24-48 hours - hopefully it will cause some would be disruptors to go find another sand box to kick sand around.

[JustAnotherGen]

24. Group Host - Please Leave

I just searched back to April 2014 - and it's always the same thing when you come into this group:

*Dictate what people are allowed to post
*Dismissive about something someone posted
*Both Sides Do It


All three are disruptive.

Your comments on this post - disruptive and withOUT positive intent.

Go - and please do not ever come back here again.

I'm being respectful - far more than you were to the OP.

Please leave - don't come back. You have 600+ posts in the past month in GDP and 40 in the Bernie Sanders Group. Your approach is acceptable there - it is not here.

[TheCowsCameHome]

37. All taken care of. FT. No problem.

[blm]

4. Just an FYI, La, NONE of the Sanders supporters I have worked with in NC talk

the conspiratorial talk we see on the internet and here at DU. NONE of them.

We have huge problems in NC and just about every one of us Dems, HRC and BS voters, sees November as our last chance to stop the GOP's privatization schemes in our state.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

5. maybe it's more a northeast thing? a lot of my bernie supporter friends

post articles from usuncut all day long. all of which state that HRC is winning this unfairly.

[blm]

6. usuncut reads like a GOP op site to me.

I wish more deems were aware of how Republican trolls work themselves into our elections.

[LonePirate]

30. Some DUers cut to the chase and post stuff from avowed GOP sites like Judicial Watch.

I can only guess that a site like usuncut is not extreme or right wing enough for those DUers.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

34. When she does win, which she will, Skinner will have to make some choices

about whether we are a free for all website like discussionist or whether we support big D Democrats.

[LonePirate]

35. I hope he puts an end to the right wing crap here. I'd visit Discussionist if I wanted that.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

36. agreed. it's also about legit criticism vs off the rail shit

a DU jury decided not to remove a comment made by a du'er where s/he called the president a lying weasel

[Agschmid]

23. I agree.

[brer cat]

7. You are right.

It is an "outrage" only because the Bernie supporters think it is hurting him. They didn't give a damn when it was people of color, the poor, and elderly being disenfranchised. Privilege indeed, and a poor reflection on those who are suddenly so concerned.

[rusty quoin]

16. That's not true. I have always been for the voting rights act and for the poor.

I try to stay away from primary stuff, and you may know of this large group of Bernie supporters who only care about Bernie and not Democratic principles, but that's not me or others who have listened and called into Brunch with Bernie on Thom Hartmann, for a decade.

[brewens]

9. Suddenly concerned about access to voting? I doubt you could find one Bernie supporter that

wasn't pissed off about what happened in 2000 and 2004. Voter suppression was the only way I could see Obama not winning both times. They tried but it wasn't enough.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

12. i know several, as apparently does my friend who phone banks for him.

[KittyWampus]

20. Didn't see any Sanders supporters worked up about the Dem primary in Michigan

But then, Sanders won Michigan.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

32. not to mentioning the championing of caucuses which are undemocratic in nature

[snot]

10. Fwiw, I've been very concerned about election fraud and disenfranchisement for a long time.

I had grave concerns about the election in 2000 and was actively agitating about it in 2004. John Conyers' efforts on the issue led me to contribute to his re-election – I live in a different state, but he was one of few doing the work I wanted done.

I'm afraid you're right that some Bernie supporters are new to this issue; but please don't assume that's the case with all of them. And bear in mind that a lot of Bernie's supporters were just kids in 2004 – they're now focussing on a lot of issues for the first time.

[nashville_brook]

29. some (esp) young voters aren't even old enough to have voted into more than one election

it takes a long time for it to sink in that our electoral system is corrupt. people grew up with it and trust it implicitly. until they see the suppression and fraud in action for themselves -- like with any other civil rights outrage -- often it's not a problem.

i welcome new election protection folks into the fold. i'd never "hate" them no matter what side of the fence they're on.

that's just me.

[ismnotwasm]

13. K&R

[mcar]

14. With so much real voter suppression going on

throughout the country, the kvetching is over the top.

[wildeyed]

15. I love what your friend said.

I have spent hundreds of unpaid hours doing grassroots work to support campaign finance reform and better voter access laws for more than a decade. I cannot tell you how irritating it is to have non-political people who I have know for most of that time suddenly becoming experts on all of that and claiming that "The Establishment" doesn't care. BB (Before Bernie) they never went to a single meeting or rally to show support or volunteered for a cause or candidate. A few didn't even bother to vote. I am GLAD they are paying attention now. Finally. But I can do without the arrogance.

[pnwmom]

17. This is related to the number of Bernie supporters who have suddenly discovered

that non-inclusive, non-representative caucuses are so much better than primaries, because "you can't cheat with a caucus."



They're already forgotten about all their accusations of cheating in Iowa . . .

Caucuses, primaries, it doesn't matter to them. As long as their candidate is losing, they figure the other candidate must be cheating.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

18. Yup. And equating this persecution complex with actuak

Voter disenfranchisement. Like voter id laws etc.

[salinsky]

26. Excellent post ... K & R ... nt

[highprincipleswork]

27. I'm sorry to say, but why do you think that this is new outrage? I know that for myself,

I have done what I can EVERY time I have seen voters disenfranchised. I am sure there are many White Progressives who have done the same, and feel the same.

Now, perhaps that hasn't been much. Petitions, letters, opinion pieces, donated money, made phone calls. But it's not that much different than what I've done for Bernie.

I am sure that there are those who have just now jumped on the bandwagon. But why can't we take the time to educate them and enlist their help? I mean, when people get their heart and mind in the right place I would think it should be celebrated.

Oh, it's not a perfect world, as we Bernie supporters are reminded of all the time by Hillary supporters. As if we think Bernie can get done everything he says needs to be done, or can do it himself. Even he says it will only be done by standing together.

Let's stand together and get voter disenfranchisement of whatever kind out of this system, as well as a verified paper trail and an electoral process you really can trust.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

28. it's new because it only pops up when he loses. I don't see his supporters

get bent out of shape over caucuses which are super disenfranchising, or over voting irregularities in Michigan. additionally, they only got upset over AZ when she won, when in fact disenfranchisement in maricopa count (which is totally hillary county) was highest.

the convenient outrage is why i say its new.

[highprincipleswork]

33. I understand.

[jazzwinders]

31. I agree!!

Thank you!

[Number23]

38. What irritates the crap out of me is the wailing about how NY voters were 'disenfranchised' because

they couldn't read the damn instructions on how to vote.

These imbeciles apparently don't understand that real, actual disenfranchisement is going on all of the time in this country and typically to minorities.

Not being able to vote because you can't be bothered to learn the rules is not disenfranchisement.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. But keep in mind they are the high information voters

Who could connect the dots btw hrc and multiple terrible outcomes. The rest of us are just not smart enough except when it comes to being able to actually cast the vote for her. Lol.