I don't give a single damn about "CP" gate

[UMTerp01]

So now in a latest attempt to try and undermine Black support of Hillary voters we have "CP" gate. Really? Now if others were offended by it, thats certainly your choice. I know most of the other Black folks I talk to think it was a non issue. I make fun of myself having CP time. I have heard non-Black people use the term. I've said it to my white friends who were late coming in that they were on CP time, or Rican time since I'm half Puerto Rican and lord knows my fellow Boricuas tend to have that same sense of time. Is it a stereotype? Sure, we can debate that. I've always said that a stereotype has a hint of truth to it. In the grand scheme of what is offensive to me, "CP" time ain't on that damn list.

But here's what does piss me off? Trying to use it as a way to undermine Black support of the Clintons. Do you really give a damn that it was offensive to Black people or are you just hoping this will shift Black voters to Bernie. I say the latter and that pisses me off way more than a white man saying "CP" time.

I'm so over this election and the tomfoolery associated with it. Please let November just get here soon.

[msongs]

1. everybody in the sanders camp knows the mayor of NYC has no personal experience with people of

color, right?

[UMTerp01]

2. Exactly!!!!

I mean I didn't even need to point that out in my post because even if he didn't have a BLACK wife and half Black children it wouldn't have bothered me. Its the underlying "lets try and find a way to make Hillary look bad in Black people's eyes so we can swing them to Bernie" that is very disingenuous to me. Now there's a bazillion posts on DU talking about it. Really? It also shows the flat out IGNORANCE of people who think that in the grand scheme of Black life in America and the shit we have to deal with on a daily basis that we would give a single fuck about "CP" gate. Sit the F--- down!!!

[upaloopa]

30. His wife and kids are AA right?

[lovemydog]

46. Yes.

[revbones]

52. Bet he has a black friend too. rofl nt

[KittyWampus]

94. Bet Leslie Odom Jr has some black friends and family too….

Broadway actor Leslie Odom Jr., who was also on stage with Clinton and De Blasio and appeared to be in on the joke…..

Edit to include

[apcalc]

3. I still don't get it.

Is this a New York expression or something? It seems neither offensive nor funny to me. Just totally boring. I don't see any connection to anything. But then again , I'm from PA and gave never heard the expression.

A big MEH to this. Ho hum.

[UMTerp01]

5. No its not a NY Expression

Its a common expression among Black culture. The whole not being on time for something created "CP" (Colored People's) time. Its also used in a way amongst Puerto Ricans cuz we have a laid back island mentality and sure you say the party starts at 4 but we probably won't be there til 7. Its not offensive to me. Its not this racial horror that some are trying to make it out to be, which actually shows their ignorance to the culture themselves because if they truly knew about the culture they'd know that we have bigger fish to fry than some damn "CP" time bullshit.

[EffieBlack]

8. This: "which actually shows their ignorance to the culture themselves"

You are dead on. Anyone familiar and comfortable with blacks get the joke and would not be offended on our behalf because of it. My family and friends - black and white - joke about CP time.

This fake outrage - and the paternalism of white people telling black folk what should offend us - only demonstrates how out of touch certain Sanders supporters are.

[UMTerp01]

9. Bingo!!!! You hit the nail on the head

Thats why I'm pissed off about it. You clearly don't know our culture and the things that are of importance social justice wise that we are trying to overcome to think that I have time to be upset about "CP" gate. They are so disingenuous and stupid to think thats going to be a way to get Black votes to Sanders. In the end thats what its really about. NY is coming. If this had happened while we were still in the Washington, Utah, Hawaii portion of the voting contests, no one would be giving a single damn about "CP" jokes. But now that we are important again in voting its time to start with bullshit hit pieces.

[seabeyond]

25. I didn't know this was a joke about POC, I was aware of the laid back in Latino culture. Lol.

Interesting. Gonna keep reading. I was more like the poster you replied to. I didn't find it particular funny and saw no reason for it, even in my stupid.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. You don't get it

It's a black American thing we have fun with. Said often an hour into Sunday dinner.

[seabeyond]

26. Interesting. I did not know this. Not about the saying, but about the stereotype. Nt

[JustAnotherGen]

67. Said it to my nephew two Sundays ago!

Kai - ham gets dry and since you took the cpt route we started without you.

He's always late.

[LisaM]

84. Irish people use it too -

We'll start at 7:00, Irish Standard Time. In other words, don't even bother until 7:15 or 7:30.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

103. Uh-huh! I didn't even flinch. Also the black character made fun of it, too. It was satire, which

is meant to bring attention to these silly stereotypes.

The faux outrage by the Sandernistas is just ridiculous. Remember, they told us black folk that our votes don't matter in the South, especially.

[giftedgirl77]

4. Whatever would we do with all the super concerned white folks

to point out racism for us? I wish just once they would allow minorities to decide what we find offensive instead of trying to decide for us.

[UMTerp01]

6. Shows their own stupidity actually

Many Black people are trying to make it through the day not getting racially profiled or shot by the police. We don't have time for "CP" gate, another trumped up controversy in an attempt to undermine Black support of Hillary.

[giftedgirl77]

34. Trying to explain anything to them is pointless.

They display their profound ignorance & overabundance of hypocrisy daily. How they expect anyone to take them seriously us beyond me.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

42. As we speak employers are not returning resume submissions or phone calls

from prospective hires who they can tell are probably a POC based on a name or something else.

As we speak loans are not being made in certain areas based on an individuals income and routinely in POC neighborhoods, funny how that someone is often of a certain demographic, now how can that be unless it is orchestrated!

Mortgages and loans cant be denied due to your skin color, but they are all the time in indirect manners that are a function of systematic racism and white supremacy that is so widespread and effective that we take it as SOP at this point.

It is by no means a coincidence that POC neighborhoods were inundated with crack cocaine and heroin.

So if using a term PCT bothers you, I will believe you after you show me your concern for this other stuff.

PROVE to me you have been aware of and talking about all this other stuff for several years, otherwise you are just pumping fuel onto a fire for political profit.

And by "you" I dont mean the person I am responding to. Just in case it is not clear.

[Human101948]

28. Just like we need super concerned Hillary fans to point out Bernie's racism...

And I am sure not all of them are POC.

[giftedgirl77]

32. Lulz, the whole "well they do it, so why shouldn't we"?

Deflection is usually a good indicator of hitting a nerve. White ppl arguing about what they perceive as racisim is hilarious.

[seabeyond]

69. I do not speak for POC, they get to speak for themselves. I do point out Sanders lack of interest

with women though. Putting us aside for his greater issue that is about white, men and middle and upper middle class.

[Human101948]

76. another opinion...

I'm a woman and I will vote for the best feminist for president: Bernie Sanders

...I am the executive director of the largest nurses union in the US: my members are overwhelmingly female and, not by accident, we were the first large organization to endorse Sanders. Nurses recognized Sanders as one of their own as soon as he got into the race, because they, like he, believe that all people should be treated equally – especially when it comes to healthcare – regardless of race, gender or ability to pay.


Young women are feminists – but that doesn't mean they'll vote Hillary Clinton
Read more
So let’s stop the divisive rhetoric: young women, older women (and younger and older men), all have lots of reasons to vote for Bernie Sanders for the Democratic nomination, and the Clinton camp doesn’t get to define for us the appropriate way to live up to our feminist ideals.

The Clinton campaign has tried to elevate the importance of gender above all other considerations – but if the goal is a woman qua woman, then we all should have been delighted with the fine work of former UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher, regardless the harm suffered by so many as a result of her policies.
-more-
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/09/i-am-a-woman-voting-for-best-feminist-bernie-sanders-president-hillary-clinton

[seabeyond]

78. "best feminist for president: Bernie Sanders" You are wrong, but I am not gonna argue.

[yardwork]

127. You're in the African American group.

[1StrongBlackMan]

130. That is a Bernie fan invented argument ...

No one (here) has "point(ed) out Bernie's racism."

Just so we are clear ... pointing out that Bernie's economic primacy message is not attractive to the majority of the Black community; and, pointing out Bernie's speaks to Black issues as an after-thought; and, pointing out that he appears uncomfortable talking about Black issues, not related to economics; and, pointing out the speed at which he shifts from discussing Black issues to economic issues; and, pointing out his tendency to limit his discussion of the Black community to discussions of criminality (law enforcement reform/prison reform) and poverty ... is NOT pointing out Bernie's racism; it is pointing out his disconnect with/lack of understanding of the Black community ... just like much of the white community.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Well, I'm thrilled that a contingent of DU ...

that celebrated, defended, and rec'd to high heaven, that Stockholm Syndrome thread ... both of them ... are aware and aghast of racism.

[JI7]

11. they are so fucking fake with their concerns

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. Are you suggesting this is but another example of opportunism? ...

where's that fainting couch? I'm going down!

[lovemydog]

50. Quick - get the smelling salts!

[1StrongBlackMan]

55. Too late ... Now nursing a bump on my head.

[lovemydog]

58. Hillary caused it.

She's so insensitive.

[rbrnmw]

59. between her and bravenak I always have someone to blame

[seabeyond]

71. True that. This is a fun thread, LOl. So much clever. Nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

62. It was a 3rd-way conspiracy ...

led by HRC, with assistance from President Obama and DWS ... I heard someone heard them planning.

[rbrnmw]

73. you and bravenak were in on it I bet that is how you know

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. Shhh ...

we haven't been tied in, yet. We have miles to go before we sleep!

[rbrnmw]

82. oops

[seabeyond]

70. You are funny strong, I have missed you. Nt

[stevenleser]

138. Why, it CAN'T be! I've never heard of such a thing, being an antisemitic Jewish person...

... according to Sanders supporters. Oh and a racist mixed race person. And whatever other slander du jour they can dream up.

[JI7]

10. it's a thing among indian americans and it would not be offensive

if used when it comes to indian americans. it's true and regularly joked about . if you want people to come to an event at 8 you schedule it for 5 or 6.........

based on some other posts in this thread it seems like it's a cultural thing . even though we are different cultures the similarities in those cultures is why it's a thing among many of us.

[Kind of Blue]

48. Funny, I knew a South African of Asian Indian descent

When R first came here back in our youth in the '80s, he stayed with me for a while. He had to get a job to make some money, of course. I was shocked when he came back so soon from his first day of job hunting at a construction site. And he was aghast that all the positions were filled.

He said, In South Africa, 10:00 means 11ish. Good Lord, I lauged so hard I cried. Then explained to him that here 10:00 means 10:00 especially when job hunting. So I assume there is some kind of CPT in SA.

When first moving to SCal and excited to see so many thrift stores. I planned an early day of shopping, thinking the stores opened around 10 at the latest, like thrift stores back East. Got to one closed store then another, and another all with the time sign on their door stating 11ish. And this was a region close to the beach with a lot of white people. My sister and I fell out laughing saying, Good Lord, these white people are on CPT!

[JI7]

63. yes it isn't just Indian americans but those

Who are from other parts. It's one of the most common jokes in the culture.

[kwassa]

12. This is a non-issue, pumped up by Bernie supporters.

Many ethnicities have a version of CPT.

[apcalc]

39. Agree

Some People seem to make of this what they want in order to advance their own agenda.

[seabeyond]

72. Having always lived in the SW it is big with Latino's. I have never heard it referred to AA. Nt

[FrenchieCat]

13. Seriously?????

Now that's funny...

[JustAnotherGen]

17. I just googled

Bill DeBlasio CPT.

People are really panty bunching over this? I can't even imagine the hypocrisy in GDP right now.

I woke up to an OP by BTA about the treatment of black and Latino children in the public school system and finally we are seeing OPs outside of this Group highlighting bias by medical professionals -

We watched dismissive attitudes in the Trayvon Martin murdered case and derision about red lining.

And I'm supposed to turn briefs into a thong over this? GTFO!

[Quayblue]

19. briefs into thongs

...

[Kind of Blue]

51. "briefs into a thong..."

I needed a warning for that one

[Tarheel_Dem]

56. I've got a helluva headache, and feeling like crap, and you come up with "Briefs into a thong"?

Now that perked me up!

[rbrnmw]

60. briefs into a thong

[seabeyond]

74. I gotcha. Nt

[betsuni]

14. Lots of "Never heard of 'CP Time' before, but I know it's a horrific racial slur."

Because Hillary Clinton.

I hold a grudge because of a "FP Time" experience (in Japan). The husband of an acquaintance organizes classic car events and they wanted a native English speaker announcer for a race but couldn't find one. She begged me to do it at the last minute and I couldn't say no. Told to arrive at 10:30, I left early just in case it took longer to get there than I thought. Walked from the bus stop to the parking lot of a theme park where the event would be held. It was a little after ten and the place was deserted. The park didn't open until 11:00. Waited shivering in the cold early spring wind all alone for an hour (I cried a little) when at least I could get a hot coffee. The car people didn't arrive and start setting up until 11:30. I sat around until about one until the cars began to cross the finish line and I had something to do. A whole day shot and I was paid the equivalent of about fifty-five dollars (which transportation fees took a chunk out of).

I asked the woman why she'd told me to get there an hour earlier than everyone else and she just laughed and said, "Everybody knows foreigners are always late." Foreign People Time!

[Kind of Blue]

53. Thanks, Hillary, for FPT!

[seabeyond]

75. Ahhhhhm. Lol. wow. Nt

[JustAnotherGen]

16. I think I'm glad I've missed

The outrage DU jour.

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. But this time, it really is a "campaign ending" outrage ...

but, of course, "HRC voters are too braindead" to recognize it.

[lovemydog]

87. I'm still trying to figure out how to use

'turns briefs into thongs' as a selling point for the next Supreme Court nominee.

[1StrongBlackMan]

88. LOL ...

I saw that ... and spilled my coffee.

[PragmaticLiberal]

18. I'll tell you what's really "interesting".

Many of the same folks who are screaming "racism" now are the same ones who were upvoting threads claiming black people were suffering from stockholm syndrome, were less informed etc etc.

[UMTerp01]

37. It really grates them that Blacks will be the group keeping Bernie from the nomination

When the final script is written on the 2016 Democratic nomination, one of the main storylines will be that Black voters essentially were the group that kept Bernie from getting the nomination and helped put Hillary over the line. I think it really grates them that Blacks are the one group where there is such a disparity against Bernie Sanders. They have tried to undermine it frequently and this is just another example of "look we told you so". Like give it a rest. So yeah...the same ones saying that Blacks have Stockholm Syndrome and are low info voters are now aghast with CP time? F**k outta here!!!!!

[PragmaticLiberal]

41. To be honest, I'm not a Hillary supporter. She's too hawkish for my tastes.

But with that being said, I've been totally turned off by many of Bernie's supporters.

Bernie the man, I like. The majority of his supporters I've encountered? Not so much.

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. And Lordy the wails ...

if HRC loses in the General Election ... their sitting out (or voting republican) will have nothing to do with it ... it'll be the negroes fault.

[PragmaticLiberal]

118. You know it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

89. Ahhh ... You noticed!

[Number23]

144. TELL IT. But anyone who notices how two-faced and dishonest these people are are the REAL racists

around here or so a loud, clueless crew would have you believe.

[uponit7771]

149. +1

[brer cat]

20. There are variations of this probably everywhere.

In my area it is called "mountain time" and applies to a totally white population.

I really think this kerfuffle is just another desperate attempt to divide black voters from the Clintons. I echo you: "Please let November just get here soon."

[geek tragedy]

23. And everyone in NY knows BdB learned it from his kids nt

[seabeyond]

24. I have been wondering about this today. I didn't know what it was about an waiting to listen to

AA community on this and was hearing nothing. Then light bulb. AA group. Lol. I do not have time to read all this, not sure what stereotype you are talking about, but hoping it will be more clear and I can have a better understanding reading this thread.

Late to the party on this one.

[ViseGrip]

27. You're right. Figure it out yourself, you surely can, right?

Just follow the money on private prisons and the Clinton Foundation. And, please, continue to support her.

[giftedgirl77]

33. Wrong group to be tossing around your faux outrage.

[Politicalboi]

29. Just stick your fingers in your ears LALALALA!

Hillary Coattails supporters must have a lot of wax on the end of their fingers by now.

[CoffeeCat]

31. I'm not going to jump on this CP thing

because I think it is unfair to manufacture controversy about a candidate's support of an entire race. Unless the candidate has done something horrendously egregious (like supporting David Duke), I think it's wrong.

Because that would be using a moment to harm that person's standing with a particular race--merely for political gain.

I have stayed away from these threads. I think it's wrong. I think it's opportunism that is frankly, sad and destructive.

With that said, I felt the exact same way when I heard David Brock speak the words, "Black lives don't matter to Bernie Sanders." Brock said this about Bernie Sanders in January--even before Bernie Sanders had participated in the Iowa Caucuses.

Bernie's campaign in states with more diverse populations hadn't even gotten off the ground, and all ready he was being attacked and the accusations of racism began.

I think this was a PR ploy. I think it was wrong with Sanders. I think the CP joke being used to paint Clinton as a racist is wrong too.

I don't think people or groups or races should be used as political props EVER.

[greatauntoftriplets]

35. Irish Americans joke among themselves about what is called IST.

Irish Substandard Time.

[northernsouthern]

43. Never heard of that...

My Irish side just joke about the troubles and if your car does not start on the first turn, get the feck out. As for the attacks on this, I think a very small amount came out of a good place. Since in watching it you do see part of the joke is the guy's initial reaction and then them saying CP and then by them correcting to "cautious politician" it suddenly becomes politically correct. If it as a completely ok for anyone to use then the joke would have no point. As for me I just thought it was awkward and poorly paced. I do see the negative aspect of people in power making jokes at the partial expense of a people traditionally given the bad end of the stick. It also seems to make a little jab at pc culture, by making the "straight man" in the comedy routine set it up as the reactionary one. But as I said I am not of color, and I am not going to drag a family member in to this to get an opinion. My issue with the ton of the original post and many following is the assertion that the Bernie group is to blame for this. It is a very simplistic view in a bubble that disregards the horrible lies about us as his supporters. I am tired of the race baiting, and it is not right. I have posted several times about this skit, and as I have said it is not my right to make a claim, other than the skit itself, the acting and such. But please stop this race baiting. Some of us have gone though generations of crap because we have stood up to real racist, it does our party a discredit.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

104. Hilarious!!! LOL!

[greatauntoftriplets]

115. Because I'm also half Luxembourgisch...

I'm usually on time.

[Iliyah]

40. Grandfather still say Colored People

[northernsouthern]

44. That is all he says?

Mine said much worse, but he is dead now, so that solves that problem.

[JSup]

122. My Mom...

...when she was a little girl said 'colored people' and a black woman yelled at her "Do I look like a rainbow to you?".

[1StrongBlackMan]

131. So does my wife's Aunt (and she is "colored").

[mercuryblues]

45. I call it

football time.

Hey hon, lets go to xyz.

OK after the game is over.

How much time left?

8 minutes

30 minutes later it is finally down to the 2 minute warning. Only 10 more minutes until we leave.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

68. You just summed up why I can't stand basketball.

Endless delays and intentional fouls.

But for pure delay, and what must be White Guy Time, watch golf.

[seabeyond]

77. Computer Tech time. I hear that one. Lol. Be done in 20. Hour and half later. Lol. Nt

[mhatrw]

47. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

It's humorously self-depreciating for powerful white politicians to compare their own lack of initiative and decisiveness to that of colored people!

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

[JI7]

61. You are angry over how the black vote is going

You first came into this forum trying to minimize race issues .

[kwassa]

65. As a host of this group, I am giving you a warning.

If you can't behave in a civil manner in this forum, you will be banned.

You've been repeating your HA HA post all over DU. I think you have received as much reaction as you are going to get.

[Kind of Blue]

49. Yeah, seriously shows how out of touch

they are with our culture.

[chervilant]

54. hmm...

Colored People's Time
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see Colored People's Time (disambiguation).
Colored People's Time, or CPT, or CP Time (also referred to as Black People Time) is an American expression referring to a negative stereotype of African Americans as frequently being late. [1][2][3][4].

The expression is often described as a racist and negative stereotype.[5][6][7][8]

In media[edit]
The phrase or initialism has been referenced numerous times in various types of media, including the films Bamboozled, Undercover Brother, Let's Do It Again, House Party and several television series: The Mindy Project, Prison Break, The Boondocks, The Wire, Weeds, Where My Dogs At?, Reno 911, 30 Rock, Everybody Hates Chris, The PJs, Bridezillas, Mad TV and Cedric the Entertainer Presents, Empire, and reality series The Real Housewives of Atlanta. In the Black Jeopardy sketch aired during the March 29, 2014 episode of Saturday Night Live, host Alex Treblack (Kenan Thompson) says upon the sound of the final bell, "As usual, we started late."

There was also a 1960s public interest program produced by Detroit Public Television with the name Colored People's Time, as well as a 1980s play written by Leslie Lee which consisted of 13 vignettes of African American history from the Civil War through the Montgomery bus riots. (ISBN 0-573-61894-1). In The Wire S03E08 Moral Midgetry, when a girl asked Marlo Stanfield when he wants to meet, Marlo responded, "Five. And five mean five. I don't truck CP Time. Five and change; I'm gone." The mention of "CPT" in the television series Prison Break was by the character Theodore "T-Bag" Bagwell.

On April 9, 2016, Mayor of New York City Bill DeBlasio referenced "C. P. time" in a widely criticised joke skit with Hillary Clinton, who called it "cautious politician time". [9]

See also[edit]
Stereotypes of African Americans
African Time
References[edit]
Jump up ^ "Baratunde Thurston: Black History Month: An Explanation of CP Time by Your Very Delayed Guest Book Editor". Huffingtonpost.com. 2010-02-23. Retrieved 2013-10-26.
Jump up ^ Nikki Lynette (2009-12-03). ""CP Time": Does my Black race indicate I'll always be late? | Becoming Nikki Lynette". Chicagonow.com. Retrieved 2013-10-26.
Jump up ^ "A Geography of Time". Nytimes.com. Retrieved 2013-10-26.
Jump up ^ "Valerie June On Learning To Love 'Perfectly Imperfect' Voices : The Record". NPR. 2013-08-09. Retrieved 2013-10-26.
Jump up ^ http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-and-bill-de-blasio-under-fire-for-awkward-joke-about-coloured-peoples-time-a6979661.html
Jump up ^ http://www.torontosun.com/2016/04/12/sorry-hillary-i-was-running-on-coloured-people-time-backlash-over-nyc-mayors-racist-joke-with-clinton
Jump up ^ http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bill-de-blasios-colored-people-time-joke-comes-bad-time
Jump up ^ http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/hillary-clinton-bill-de-blasio-colored-people-time-joke-skit-racial-racist
Jump up ^ "Hillary Clinton, Bill de Blasio criticized for race-based joke". CBS News. Retrieved 2016-04-12.

What, do we ignore certain racist terms when it's politically expedient to do so?

[lovemydog]

57. I'm not sure what's more funny:

the joke or the 'outrage.' I suggest we propose a block party and keep laughing. Some of the folks in GDP would ask each other what that is and not show up.

[UMTerp01]

64. LOL!!!!!

I love a good block party. I'll bring the wine to help block out the whine of CP gate.

[kwassa]

66. The outrage is funnier than the joke. I smell desperation.

trying to derail Hillary's lead in NY before the primary. Faux concern about race.

but it repeats one more time that some whites on DU are very willing to dismiss the lived experiences of black people to further their own political agenda. Black people tell these whites the joke is no big deal, and the whites insist that it is a big deal.

[1StrongBlackMan]

85. That's because it's never about what Black people think.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

110. Yeah, we suffer from Stockholm Syndrome and are dumb, low-information voters. Get it together, 1SBM!

They have our best interests at heart and only THEY know what's racist and what's not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

121. And the ridiculously sad thing is their doing this in THIS thread ...

(and all the other threads on this topic), while denying they are doing it!

[stevenleser]

143. They don't seem to care either. They know what racism is better than African Americans or other

PoC and will happily tell black people here that to their faces and say their opinion doesn't matter.

I know you know exactly what I am talking about.

[1StrongBlackMan]

148. Yes, I do ...

and they claim ally status while doing it.

[MFM008]

79. look

He's behind double digits.
This debate on Thursday I wouldnt be surprised if he blames her for extinction of the dinosaurs.
Its going to get ugly because if he loses NY he will lose all the rest of the remaining states.
Hes out and everyone can nurse their idological purity.
So like republicans they are going to throw everything and see what sticks.
I also long for November.....

[UMTerp01]

81. Even if he happens to pull a Michigan it won't be enough

He needs to win contests by "yuge" margins in order to catch up to the delegates. That pesky math.

[noiretextatique]

83. how will this "undermine" black support?

since it has not changed the mind of a single clinton supporter? that said, it was just an unfunny joke that fell flat. but if Bernie had pulled a stunt like this...

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. True ...

and true ... and true. On the last point, why would that be?

Hint: Relationships

[noiretextatique]

91. Michelle Alexander has a clear understanding of that relationship

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=myposts

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. So do approximately 70% of Black voters. n/t

[noiretextatique]

99. i disagree...i think goodwill towards the clintons

is largely undeserved, but i do understand it. as michelle says, clinton was the first american president to treat black people as human beings. if you care to discuss the substance of her interview...

[1StrongBlackMan]

120. Perhaps you do think the goodwill is undeserved; but, 70% of the rest of Black voters don't ...

as evidenced by their support.

[noiretextatique]

139. You and others are great for dismissive oneliners

But you can never dispute any facts or have substantive dialogues.

[1StrongBlackMan]

140. Sorry ...

Clinton lead- while she has much more emphatic advantages with Hispanics (66/28) and African Americans (61/32).

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/hillary-clinton/

Sorry ... I was a little high (and this is of New York); but, are you really going to argue that these Black supporters "think the goodwill is undeserved" AND they support her ... by a lot?

[BainsBane]

95. He's pulled plenty

He referred to African Americans in MN (my state) as "smart," in contrast to those in the South who voted for Clinton. He's talked about how the votes in the "confederacy" matter less, and his campaign is based on evoking an ideal past of a time when the non-white male majority was excluded from economic opportunity and equal rights. Then back in 2014 he declared African Americans vote "based on race." You know, because there have been so many black presidents.

[noiretextatique]

98. how does any of that change or undermine your vote?

are you saying black people will be swayed by arguments or comments they find objectionable? if so, bil's commentsl should drive some to Bernie's camp.

[BainsBane]

102. I responded to your assertion that if Sanders had "pulled this"

the fall out would be far worse. Evidence shows the opposite.

I said nothing about what people should vote on, and there is nothing in my post that indicates I did. I don't tell other people what they should vote on. Unlike a number of Sanders supporters, I believe every American has every right to make that decision themselves and they have no obligation to justify their votes to me. I don't think their votes count less than mine, nor do I express outrage when black folks, the disabled, elderly, or college students vote. I think more voting is good, even if the votes don't conform with mine.

I have worked on voter registration and get out the vote activities for 15 years now, particularly in diverse, urban communities, since that is where I happen to live myself. My concern has always been full participation. When I support a candidate, I focus on getting supporters to the polls, not telling people their preferences for another candidate are wrong or that they should vote based on what I want. I certainly wouldn't presume to tell an entire race of people what I as a white person think is in their best interest. Why on earth would that be even remotely relevant or helpful?

[Number23]

146. Spectacularly well said, Bain. These folks that see only what the hell they want to see are a

fucking trip.

[BainsBane]

92. I myself had not heard the term

but when I lived in Brazil they would refer to punctuality as "English time" vs. "Brazilian time," which involved being late.

They are at the point now where they are desperate to dredge up anything. If it doesn't offend people of color, that's all I need to know.

Mind you, these are the same people who call African Americans "uninformed" voters who operate based on "name recognition" alone, all while trying to come up with ways to exclude Southern votes. So consider the source. That entire campaign is all about returning to the 1950s. We all know who that America was "great" for.

[UMTerp01]

96. A day later and they are still posting about it

Now its about Hillary throwing De Blasio under the bus for it. I swear they really want this story to gain traction and its just not going to. Its desperation time. Its the end. They know the math ain't gonna save them so its CP gate time, or whatever else may stick. Our guy can't get it so lets muddy her up as much as possible so she can be toast in the fall.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

97. Please, my fellow Maryland Terp, can you provide some context? n/t

[rbrnmw]

100. here just a few links just more faux outrage

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511716987

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511716390

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511705048

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511707289

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

101. I'm watching Chris Hayes right now, so Bill is explaining what happened. Yes, faux outrage.

The "CP Time" stereotype is one that is used by black people themselves all the time. (I'm black.)

Apparently there's "JP Time" as well--denoting "Jewish People's Time". I've never heard any of my Jewish friends or acquaintances or ANY Jewish person being offended by that.

We all understand that these are silly stereotypes and satire is a great way to bring that point home.

[giftedgirl77]

105. I just tried to explain it to one of the perpetually Concerned Caucasians

about the use of this term & that they are being culturally ignorant by creating a faux outrage over this nonsense. I really wish they would stop trying to lead charges on things they no nothing about. What's ironic is that if we try to point out something blatantly racist we get told that we just don't get it.

[rbrnmw]

106. they get it this is another fake scandal created to make Hillary look racist

[giftedgirl77]

108. Well all they're doing is making themselves look like

clueless idiots.

[rbrnmw]

111. yep they sure look foolish

[yardwork]

128. White people do that a lot. I'm white, and I've noticed this.

Just reading in this forum is eye opening, seeing the number of white posters come buzzing in to explain, refute, and complain. Everything but listen.

[giftedgirl77]

136. & that is where the problem comes in.

When you try to explain something that they are culturally ignorant on they jump down our throats & accuse us of trying to talk for all black ppl. It is so frustrating.

[1StrongBlackMan]

133. Disingenuously and transparently, clueless idiots.

[JSup]

123. 'Concerned Caucasians'...

...I like that.

Even when trying to help they want to be the generals and make you guys the soldiers.

Wouldn't it be better if they (we) let you guys lead since you know the battlefield and all?

[1StrongBlackMan]

134. LOL ...

Wouldn't it be better if they (we) let you guys lead since you know the battlefield and all?

But that would upset the natural order of things!

[still_one]

107. Actually I have never heard the term before, but I can understand why it would be

considered offensive. It was a stupid thing to put in a skit.

I am a white guy, and a Jew, and more than a few times people have used the word, "jewed" around me when referring to situations where they feel something has gone wrong, including in the workplace environment. While I don't consider the people who used the term around me as anti-Jewish, it is offensive.

[Buzz cook]

109. This line says it all.

Now if others were offended by it, thats certainly your choice.

They are choosing to be offended because the incident in question was not naturally offensive.

Well unless you want to critic their ability as comedians.

[imari362]

112. I can careless about who is outraged and why.

To those in this "group" who casually give De Blasio a pass.
I just heard him on MSNBC Up with Chris Hayes say "in that skit he was mocking himself".

Is it fine and dandy for a White man to "mock himself" using a racial stereotype of a race that he doesn't belong to?

Also, PLEASE skip that "his family/his wife" is Black, as if a biracial marriage is some sort of shield.

P.S. This "group" is not a political one, this group at this time is an extension of the Hillary group and not stated as such in the purpose....Discuss topics and issues which affect the African-American community. DUers from all races are welcome to participate.....so I would appreciate not being asked to "take it to the Bernie group",

Thank You

[UMTerp01]

113. WTF is "group" quotations thing

What the f*ck is that? It was an issue (a non issue to me) that was related to the African American community. Just because many of us didn't bite on the outrage coming from Bernie supporters doesn't mean it somehow doesn't belong in the African American group. See this is the kind of finger pointing and condescending attitude toward Blacks some of you Sanders stans can take and sit all the way down with.

[imari362]

117. THOSE who it was meant for....

...know exactly what it meant.
I was asked to take it to the Bernie group because of MY OPINION on an AA issue.

That said, I am not in the least bit outraged as a Bernie supporter, as I see this is having nothing to do with him or Hillary for that matter, but what I do take offense at as a Black woman, is the causal way in which AA's are giving De Blasio cover because he's married to a Black woman and they have biracial children, I've seen pic after pic posted of his family as if "you can't say that because of this....".

My question is "how can a White man be mocking himself{his words}, with something that is racial stereotypical, if he is not of that race"?

[Number23]

147. And you know, I'd ask who asked you to take your comments "to the Bernie group" but it's beyond

clear that you are playing a certain role for your pals in that forum and that showing a link where someone in this forum actually said that to you may not be part of it.

[seabeyond]

116. I am thinking this relates to the Black community, hence the discussion. Nt

[imari362]

119. You...would kind of figure out.

I am posting in the African American group.

[JustAnotherGen]

125. Was it a Group Host?

[1StrongBlackMan]

132. LOL ...

P.S. This "group" is not a political one, this group at this time is an extension of the Hillary group and not stated as such in the purpose

there are plenty of regularly posting Bernie supporters and uncommitted posters here. None of them seem to have problems being accepted/heard or seem to think the AA Group is an extension of the Hillary Group ... Perhaps, you should look at their approach and compare it to your approach. I'll bet even you will see a difference.

[Number23]

145. It is no one's fault BUT YOUR OWN that the ONLY time you choose to sashay into this group is to

talk ABOUT this group or about DU.

Just in the last 15 minutes, I've seen two OPs from two highly esteemed members of this forum, Behind the Aegis (who is white) and Mr. Scorpio (who is black). One OP talking about how black and Hispanic children are discriminated against in schools and another how these same groups are discriminated against in employment.

Your two cents are nowhere to be found in EITHER thread, as well as any of the dozens and dozens of others here where we talk about issues of importance to the black community. And I for one am getting pretty sick and tired of you coming in here only to talk shit and scream that the folks here aren't discussing what you want us to be.

[fleabiscuit]

114. Wow. The education I missed is continuing.

[Chitown Kev]

124. Nice white progressive Bernie supporter outrage over this is actually a thing?

Sorry that I'm running on CP time getting to this thread.

[1StrongBlackMan]

135. LOL ...

"Cautious Politican" time?

That WAS the punch-line of the joke that all the nice white outraged Bernie supporters neglect to mention.

I thought it was a great piece ... it played on the knowledge of the Black audience and plays on the racism of whites, outraged by the joke.

[ReRe]

126. Hell...

... I didn't even know what "CP" meant! (Seriously.) I wouldn't worry about it. Also, I'm with you on wishing Nov would hurry up and get here. I'm a coward & a paltroon and don't like to fight or hear others argue within our own party. I just want it to all be over. Peace.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

137. ugh. the concern is SO fake it hurts. the same people couldn't believe why the votes from the south

should even count in a democratic primary. same people outraged about voting irregularities in AZ, but no outrage for WI and MI.

racism is a real problem in this country. It's not just a problem when it fucking effects Bernie's chances. Fuck that noise.

I have straight friends, who also have recently realized that LGBT people support HRC, and suddenly DOMA and DADT have become super important to them. In the 90's I wish most of these people or their parents or my parents were as sensitive about gay issues as the Clinton's were. The world would have been a much nicer place.

[stevenleser]

141. Maybe you can help me show that to BtA who is normally very level headed. Because I agree 100%

Folks who have never been concerned about diversity of any sort, religious, racial, gender, orientation, are now attempting to use it as a cudgel against Hillary supporters.


Here I am trying to explain it to BtA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1723068

Here is midpoint of a discussion with a Sanders supporters determined to call me (he a white person calling me a mixed race person) a racist: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1717722

And with a backdrop of white christian DUers two weeks ago calling Mixed race Jewish son of a holocaust survivor me insensitive towards Jewish issues or downright antisemitic: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1582736

[La Lioness Priyanka]

142. i'm not even engaging with these people. i am just hoping that she wins it hard in ny/nj

and this nonsense ends.

but the sudden and sporadic concern over VRA is just opportunism.