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Related: About this forum"Why Clinton Is Connecting With Black Voters—and Sanders Isn't"
From today's Atlantic. A very interesting commentary. Here are a few excerpts.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-south-carolina-black-voters/470646/
The stories, though by now familiar from media accounts and surveillance videos, were freshly horrifying, told in person by the victims mothers. Each woman related how her son had been killed, and then how Clinton had reached out to her. They told stories about phone calls, personal letters, and half-hour meetings that stretched on for hours.
Hillary took it upon herself to listen to me when none of the leaders decided to lay in the street with us, march in the street with us, pour our hearts out and ask for help. Hillary heard my cry, said Maria Hamilton, whose son Dontre was shot and killed by a Milwaukee police officer in 2014. When Hillary called me in March, and her staffer told me I didnt have to rally people in the street to shut her rally down, that she would talk to me, it changed my life.
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What Barack could do, Bernie cant so easily pull off. Sanders speaks in generalities and attacks systemic injustices, while Clinton focuses on the pain of individual lives. By befriending women like Hamilton and Carr, she is able to connect her policies to real stories. By convincing them she cares about them, she produces a squadron of surrogates with powerful stories to take into black communities.
Nobody madeI dont think they could have made us, I dont think they could have persuaded any of these mothers to vote for Hillary Clinton against their own will, Sybrina Fulton, Trayvon Martins mother, said in Bennettsville. This was a conscious decision we made. (There was evidently some sensitivity about that impression. Geneva Reed-Veal, Sandra Blands mother, closed the event with a rousing call to vote, and then added, Im with her. All my sisters are with her. And please tell the people we are not being exploited!)
That might not come through as clearly in debates, but it was warmly appreciated at the South Carolina events. Attendees said over and over that they were supporting Clinton in large because of her long familiarity with the black community. They said they felt she knew them and their peoplenot just the statistics, but the people. Sanders speaks to racism; Clinton speaks to black people.
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their argument isnt that Sanders doesnt care. Its just that they dont think he has the hands-on experience. The point is to remind black voters that the Clintons have been there for them for decades. Clinton may not be able to turn out 5,000 voters for a single event, but her deep ties to the black community give her a huge base of surrogates who can go out to small, grassroots events where they can appeal directly to African Americans.
The president trusted herour beloved Barack Obamawith one of the most important jobs in her administration, Murphy said, in case anyone had forgotten that the president is black. And later, he got a hearty, knowing response for what sounded like an implication that Republican opposition to Obama is racist: Ive never seen a Congress whose avowed purpose was preventing the president of the United States from achieving his goals.
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The Clinton White House legacy has also been tarnished, especially among the new generation of criminal-justice reformers, by the tough-on-crime law he signed into law. When one of the two younger men in the audience in Aiken asked about three-strikes laws, Murphy was quick to say that Bill Clinton had asked for forgiveness for the law and Hillary Clinton had said, Never again. But several people in the audience were ready to excuse the law as a product of its era. It was a different time, they said, pointing to the fear of crime in the late 1980s and early 1990s.
That reflects the one cleavage in the black vote in South Carolina: between young and old. The crowd in Aiken was especially elderly; the crowd in Bennettsville was more evenly distributed, but it leaned older, too. Clinton retains an edge among younger African Americans in the state, but its much smaller than her overall lead, as The Wall Street Journal reports. One reason may be that younger black voters dont have the same memories of the Clinton years, good and bad: Theres none of the rosy recollection of 1990s prosperity, and they dont have memories of the crack epidemic that help them rationalize or excuse the crime bill.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)because too many Black people are going with name recognition instead of actually researching who's policy proposals align with our interests. These same people where slow to support President Obama back in '08, if not for Iowa, they would have blindly followed the Clinton machine.
Also, it boggles my mind that people can't understand why President Obama offered her the Sec of State position, it was to get her out of the senate so she couldn't cause trouble, better to have her running around the world and preoccupied with foreign policy issues.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Why don't you actually read the article, the full article? You might find out something.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)Do you honesty believe Hillary is going to fight to make this country better, or is she just going to tinker with the system? She will only carry the base, independents don't trust her (right or wrong), plus the Clinton foundation donations is a ticking time bomb.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Racially insensitive messages like this are what lead people AWAY from Sanders.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)Bernie's platform aligns with our interests, I think the Clinton supporters fall into these categories; 1. political hacks, 2. people uniformed about the candidates' positions 3. people who have been scared into thinking a Sanders presidency is not possible.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and as a host of this group this is the only warning I am giving you.
HoosierRadical
(390 posts)I think it is shameful how Hillary is using the pain of those mother's for her own personal gain, I'm not a parent and I can't begin to imagine the pain these women have experience, I just wish, they didn't allow Hillary to use them as a photo op.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,814 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Calling black people stupid doesn't sit well in the African American group.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,339 posts)On Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:57 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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I have been unfairly blocked from African American group, because I voiced opposition to AA's overwhelming support for Hillary Clinton. This moderator has abused their authority, by blocking me, simply because I disagreed with them.
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Though, yes, it appears to be abusive (and childish). Nobody called blacks stupid. It's just the host abusing his/her power to avoid criticism of a candidate (who isn't even AA).
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zappaman
(20,606 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)*These* people right here....
Cha
(297,196 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"I think the Clinton supporters fall into these categories..."
I'm certain that beside mere bias, you'll provide us with objective, other-than-anecdotal evidence that specifically leads you to that premise, yes?
Human101948
(3,457 posts)And 99.9 percent don't read DU so I wouldn't worry.
JI7
(89,248 posts)HoosierRadical
(390 posts)were supporting Obama, before they were convinced he could win, and Iowa thank goodness did that, up until than, people in my own family were all about Hillary.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)HoosierRadical
(390 posts)voted republican were stupid and ignorant for voting against their own interests.
I always thought Black people would never be that clueless, but, given the choice we have now to have a candidate who's proposals are grounded in social and economic justice, compared to Hillary's status quo corporatist policy proves the GOP base voters don't have a patent on stupidity.
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)But you have no business assuming you know what's good for me. Just because we don't see eye to on candidates doesn't mean I'm any less knowledgeable than you, or voting against my best interests.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)at least 3 appearances on the following chart.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Results of your Jury Service
On Wed Feb 24, 2016, 05:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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This is a broad brush attack on african americans IN THE AA GROUP. Why? People should not be making blanket statements about 'black people not researching'. This tone deaf post should not have been posted here, honestly should not be posted at all, but to post it in the AA group is very damn inappropriate. Please, please hide.
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Explanation: "not allowed to research," then?
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This alert disgusts.
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Cha
(297,196 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Hillary may be connecting better with black people than Sanders, you come in just to say that it doesn't have anything to do with any of that, it's all about name recognition? Seriously? And the rest of your post is just nonsensical.
You need to spend a lot less time in GDP. Like a HELL of alot less time.
Cha
(297,196 posts)she "wouldn't cause trouble"..
Lawd where do they get their material from?!
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I cannot believe some of the crap I'm reading on DU this week.
Reread your post dude. SMH.
YCHDT
(962 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)he South Carolina survey showed that among blacks under age 45, Clinton had 52 percent support, Sanders 35 percent, with 13 percent undecided. (A survey released Thursday by Monmouth University poll showed a similar gap: Clinton led 60 percent to 26 percent among black voters under age 50 in South Carolina.)
In short, at least in South Carolina, Clinton's advantage among younger black people is cutting into Sanders' lead among younger voters overall.
Like with white voters, older black voters are more pro-Clinton than their younger counterparts. Clinton's lead among blacks under 50 is significant, but among blacks over 50, it is enormous.
In the NBC poll, Clinton led among blacks over age 45 by a margin of 78 percent to 12 percent. (In the Monmouth survey, it was 69 to 12).
Tarheel_Dem
(31,233 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)The AKA's are in the house???! Shut it down. It's OVER! This thing is done.