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Related: About this forumWhy was Bernie Sander's audience at Morehouse College, an HBCU, predominantly White?
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What was that about? I don't get it....
Where did all of the actual Black Folks go?
https://twitter.com/maryaliceparks/status/699759691539156992
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/699768218265788416
Edited 2/19 to add video link.... https://twitter.com/maryaliceparks/status/699351962471505920
Is this some kind of joke? Or is this what we called "trying to Bamboozle"?
Edited to update & add: And I thought the place was 4500 there.....
but capacity for this particular venue is 2900 or something like that...,
and it doesn't look full....
so I don't know what "image" the media is trying to create here? Answer me that!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)waiting to get in, and the crowd was mostly black. I'd guess 75-80 percent black.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)I also saw the pics of the lines. It was like 15% Black.
Look at the film panning, and come again.
seaotter
(576 posts)The pics you posted do not depict what you claim.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)You see a lot of Black folks in that video footage? Cause I don't!
https://twitter.com/maryaliceparks/status/699759691539156992
seaotter
(576 posts)Great job pushing your candidate's talking points, though . I hope you work just as hard for Bernie come November.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Thanks in advance
daleanime
(17,796 posts)we understand. Have a great evening.
840high
(17,196 posts)During a Tuesday speech at Morehouse College, Bernie Sanders told the predominantly African-American crowd that local police forces in minority communities look like they are occupying armies.
Sanders began by saying tha
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)lol
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)merrily
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I had not noticed which forum I was replying in, though.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Response to Hoyt (Reply #37)
merrily This message was self-deleted by its author.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)They weren't accusing Bernie. Something's inaccurate when that crowd is reported as a 'predominantly black audience'. It isn't. That it was misreported invites speculation.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Even Bernie.
Number23
(24,544 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)I was going to block for the chastising and admonishment alone - writing to members in this Group with a wagging finger like the person is two is unacceptable.
Number23
(24,544 posts)The "contribution" to this thread was less than nothing.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Are amusing.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)that was weird.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)as the impression is that 4,500 Young Black folks came to see him speak.
Plus the "use" the Black fraternity footage to make it look like a Black event!
Wait till I tell my BLM activist daughter about this!
GP6971
(31,171 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)GP6971
(31,171 posts)long time since my small business liaison days. Thanks!
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)No?
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)from wiki:
Your picture does not look like any HBCU representation I have ever seen.
I live a couple miles from Alabama State University, where the local good ol' boys are trying to get a piece of property to erect a giant Confederate flag right across from the football stadium.
http://www.al.com/news/montgomery/index.ssf/2016/02/group_hopes_to_install_large_c.html
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)It appears they were in line before the general public so they picked all the seating closest to the podium. That seating was a ways back from the podium. So the standing room area in front of the podium was left for the general public, which had a higher percent of Whites, much like the state's demographics.
In the first link, look at the seating to the left--it's filled with mostly Blacks.
femmedem
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There were pockets of white people and pockets of black people.
This image gives you a different, larger perspective.
I don't see a predominantly white audience here, although I see an area a few rows deep that is predominantly white that appears to have been caught in the video you posted.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)You are correct.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Hrm...is person #543 black enough to count? We better double-check.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)A @BernieSanders rally at @Morehouse. Black students ignore event, White Supporters bused in #blacklivesmatter
https://www.rebelmouse.com/antiracismmedia/1608250200.html
Read the comments....
https://twitter.com/trueblacknews/status/699842725508747264
MADem
(135,425 posts)That is the whitest crowd EVER at a Morehouse event!
I had to LOL at this snark:
@trueblacknews @Gus_802 @BernieSanders @Morehouse Its nice that Sanders believes in school busing. We could use more of it.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Tarheel_Dem
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Cha
(297,323 posts)@William53604792 @trueblacknews @lehimesa @BernieSanders @Morehouse He knew about this, didn't do one damn thing! Now he wants the POC vote
Thank you, Frenchie~
Cha
(297,323 posts)Buckaroo Banzai ?@buckaroo1260 · Feb 17
@OhioCitizen @trueblacknews @BernieSanders @Morehouse At this point, black folks are like "show me" & "talk is cheap".
mcar
(42,334 posts)I read somewhere that his supporters were bused in, which is all kinds of ironic.
840high
(17,196 posts)black. No one was bused in. Link?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)read the comments....
D.C. Insider Report ?@TrustedMedia247 Feb 16
@bluestein @BernieSanders sanders had to ship in his busses of people , very few more house black students showed up
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/699768218265788416
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/699709241758715904
https://twitter.com/CDLR_CBS46/status/699762273070555136
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)read the comments.....
https://twitter.com/trueblacknews/status/699842725508747264
@trueblacknews @SouthernRock3 @BernieSanders @Morehouse Sanspders ought not think black folks are going to be taken in for a few shiny beads
@buckaroo1260 @trueblacknews @BernieSanders @Morehouse I'd like @BernieSanders to point to 1 socialist country good 4 black ppl. I'll wait.
@SouthernRock3 @trueblacknews @BernieSanders @Morehouse waiting...waiting...
@trueblacknews @lehimesa @BernieSanders @Morehouse I find it disturbing that a 95% white state Vermont has a 10% black prison population
@William53604792 @trueblacknews @lehimesa @BernieSanders @Morehouse He knew about this, didn't do one damn thing! Now he wants the POC vote
@Aroyaldmd @trueblacknews @lehimesa @BernieSanders @Morehouse it was brought to his attention on several occasions from what I understand
@trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders @Morehouse that's a lie CBS Atlanta showed video of the line that was 3 hours long in wait
. @Fried_Kimchi @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders @Morehouse it was a line full of White students who don't attend Morehouse
STIR Retweeted Mortijaé
@mybellmichell @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders @Morehouse oh like these
STIR added,
Savannah State University is headed to Morehouse for the Bernie Sanders Campaign Rally! #HBCUPride #FeeltheBern #SSU
. @Fried_Kimchi @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders Morehouse is a predominantly Black male college so he brought Black women and Whites
@mybellmichell @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders sounds like an excuse please stop
. @Fried_Kimchi @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders no sounds like you proved my point he still bussed them in
@mybellmichell @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders why would he speak at HBCU then ask a small state college 400 miles away to bus in
. @Fried_Kimchi @trueblacknews @OnePiano @BernieSanders because they know the students at Morehouse ignored the event
:large
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)What exactly are you suggesting?
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)Funny, that.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)they might be, you know, discomforted.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and why I didn't post this anywhere but here.....
Guess I brought some "Visitors".....
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)But it wasn't you that made me feel that way.
And I'm leaving it at that.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)when other white people us the term race baiting to shut down discussions of race with POC. Also add racially divisive, PC and race card to that list.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)You don't come into the AA forum and accuse an AA member of "race baiting."
That kind of thing will win you a SLEW of friends in GDP but we know better.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Yes, thank you....this 'poster' had almost 40 replies in the AA Forum in one day...mostly combative, mostly tone-deaf...and this after being a member of DU for only a couple of weeks. I'd like to compare his IP address with those who are already known to DU and see who this really was. This poster was looking for a 'rise' out of people and expected long-time AA Forum participants to act as immature as s/he.
Number23
(24,544 posts)Making quite the impression, he is.
betsuni
(25,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I would guess coming into the African-American Group talking about "race-baiting."
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)#1
race-bait
image:
also race·bait
verb
race-bait·ed, race-bait·ing, race-baits also race·bait·ed or race·bait·ing or race·baits
intransitive verb
To arouse the prejudice or fears of one racial group regarding another, especially as a political tactic.
transitive verb
To attack (another) on racial grounds, as for being a racist or for inciting racial prejudice.
To arouse the prejudices or fears of (one racial group) regarding another.
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th edition Copyright © 2013 by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Harcourt Publishing Company. All rights reserved.
Read more at http://www.yourdictionary.com/race-bait#yM14jLJXvGwEK172.99
#2
the unfair use of statements about race to try to influence the actions or attitudes of a particular group of people
#3
Oxford dictionary offers the most straightforward definition of race-baiting as the incitement or exploitation of racial hatred, prejudice, or tension, usually
for political gain.
#4
Essentially, race-baiting has occurred when candidates are willing to make full use of and derive benefit from preying on implicit racial prejudicesracial divisiveness as a campaign strategy, as The Atlantic puts it.
Your thoughts ?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)were racists, and white liberals trying to shut down Black people from talking about race issues.
That's what I think.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)way about white liberals ??
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Just follow that particular subthread for such an example.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)inference that Bernie was trying to Bamboozle you/us
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bamboozle?
smh!
You're not Spike Lee.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes ... You.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Yes ... You coming into the African-American Group calling using a term used by racists and white liberals to shut down discussions of observations regarding racial issues.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)skin color into the conversation... but I was the one who pointed out that divisions along racial lines were being used to gain political advantage... that doesn't help us, it doesn't help build our new world
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)race and racial matters.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 04:04 PM - Edit history (1)
As far as I can tell is you want the exact opposite.
You want a world where a Black person, giving lie to a narrative, i.e., Black (Millennials) are feeling the burn, is race-baiting for partisan reasons; but, the campaign and supporter's promotion of the underlying narrative is fact-stating, even though the narrative is, observably, false.
And, you appear to want a world where you can call a Black person making observations a race-baiter and having that Black person just shut up about their observation ... because it doesn't fit the campaign and its supporters partisan narrative.
(I know you cannot respond to this in this thread; but maybe, that's for the better. It will give you an opportunity to read these words and self-reflect, without the burden of having to think up a reply.
If I may, here are some points to reflect upon:
1) Why would Black people react so strongly to having their observations labelled, "race-baiting"?
2) Why would you think that a Black person's observation that a campaign event at a HBCU, within walking distance of 3 other HBCUs, in a majority Black city, was made for partisan purposes?
3) Isn't your arguing against that Black person's observation, in itself, being done for partisan purposes?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)of a particular group of people?
And how can you prove they are unfair?
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)that... I thought the assertion that there weren't black folks there was an attempt to divide white and black progressive brothers and sisters
kwassa
(23,340 posts)It seems like you should substantiate your charge.
The point of the OP was not that there weren't black folks, but that there appeared to be very few, percentage-wise, considering the rally was held at a historically black college. That is an observation, not race-baiting.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)people were bused in and black people particularly students boycotted
kwassa
(23,340 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)of trying to bamboozal everyone...
then further in the discussion..a list of tweets is giving ...that appear to show tweets from students some of which claim to boycott...
and multiple times in the discussion there are claims made that white people were bused in.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Say what you may, this was an opportunity for Sanders to prove black millennials love him to pieces. We all know that it's just not true at this point.
I spent half an hour studying every photo and video that was posted of Bernies Morehouse rally by attendees, from various angles and in various sections. There were a few television camera-friendly clusters of black students, as campaigns often tend to do when their rallies are minority-challenged; for instance Donald Trumps campaign routinely asks its handful of black attendees to sit directly behind him. But as you can see for yourself by doing a Twitter multimedia search, the few clusters of black youths at Bernies rally were not indicative of the faces in the rest of the arena.
No more than thirty percent of the attendees at Bernies Morehouse rally were black. Moreover, about half of them were female. But Morehouse College is 98.3% black and 99.8% male. So no more than fifteen percent of the attendees at the Morehouse rally could have been Morehouse students. In other words, around four thousand white kids appeared out of thin air at an all-black school, in a mostly black neighborhood, in a majority black city. Did they fall out of the sky? http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-holds-mostly-white-rally-at-all-black-college/23858/
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)pre·dom·i·nant·ly
prəˈdämənən(t)lē/
adverb
mainly; for the most part.
"it is predominantly a coastal bird"
synonyms: mainly, mostly, for the most part, chiefly, principally, primarily, predominately, in the main, on the whole, largely, by and large, typically, generally, usually
Mostly it's the twitters and the Bamboozling from the OP that rubbed me the wrong way
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)This is not a rhetorical question.
Even at 40 to 45% black is a dismal figure at an all black male college with around 3 to 4 more HBCUs in the area. I was expecting as many of us where, based on feeling the bern people, at least photos awashed with black millennials.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)me the wrong way... I for one was happy to see a diverse crowd being active together in the political process...
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)The claim that we've been hearing for weeks from Feel the Bern people and the media is that his campaign is racking up all millennials, surprise-surpise, even black ones.
But the campaign did say he'd overcome that because to get to know him will garner more black voters. So far not true.
I'd say the bamboozling is the other way around.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)thing .. peace
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)than trying to rewrite a narrative the fanatics have been pushing, the best thing to do will be for you to stop and bow out.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)ability to be objective... take care
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)your narrative of black millenials feeling the bern or constructing an answer to an OP in your mind Hillary is driving you crazy when nothing about her came up. Stay focused and follow your own objectivity advice and end the conversation, as you so desire
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)So long.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Or do you need to look THAT one up, too?
Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch! You are calling the OP a liar, a cheat, a hoodwinker, and you are using a word that has loaded overtones. Or are you completely forgetting the 08 election?
YOUR WORDS: Mostly it's the twitters and the Bamboozling from the OP that rubbed me the wrong way
Quit while you're behind.
Number23
(24,544 posts)That is a FUCKING shame. And I called this two days ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1254524
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)in your link!
I seriously and most humbly for calling that one after the scenario being fed of getting to know Sanders means getting more AA votes. And now the story is about diversity NOT all our young ones feeling the bern.
What kind of a campaign is this???
qwlauren35
(6,148 posts)that pretty much says it...
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)You came into a protected group for African American DUers and joined a discussion about a rally at an HBCU, immediately using a term most frequently used as a dog whistle by racist white people.
When you were called out on this, you doubled- and tripled-down and insultingly tried to make yourself the victim.
My advice to you would be to stop now, before a host steps in and decides to do it for you.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)racial dog whistle terms. It sucks that you want to shut down communication on these crucial issues of race... I'm willing to share our struggles and find common ground where we can...
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the discussion here is really about their presence being exaggerated for PR gains. that has nothing to do with "baiting".
you really should know better.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The hand full of "See Black Millennials feeling the bern" are non-partisan, fact-stating; whereas, an OP noting the observable predominant whiteness of a political event held by a candidate, struggling to attract Black support (and is, openly, pinning its hopes on pealing off one segment of the Black electorate) at a HBCU, within walking distance of 3 other HBCUs, in a majority Black city, is partisan "race-baiting".
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)EVEN understand the point of the OP. I'll never stop being amazed at the depth of entitlement.
giftedgirl77
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instead of assuming you are part of the resolution. You are the definition of a Bernie Bro, right down to the throwing out of "race baiting" bc of the obvious fact that your candidate still isn't drawing the minority vote.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People WERE bussed in--no women attend that school, for starters, and the school's student body consists entirely of black men. There may be "a" white student or two admitted, but the student body is black, the culture of the school is black, and the school is famous for this.
The best you can say about those pictures is that there's a load of salt up in that pepper. And since people have posted their "busing" video online, that horse has left the barn, too.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)This thread is killing me!
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the OP questioned:
That's not an attempt to divide white and black progressive brothers and sisters, it is: 1) Pointing out that fallaciousness of the "Black Millennials are berning" narrative; and, 2) Pointing out the continuing lack of diversity among Sanders' supporters.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)there.. and that is just false.. and was an attempt to gain political advantage for Hillary along a racial lines
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Look in the mirror.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)am I missing something
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Bernie is seeking minority votes at the probably the most famous historically black college in the country. He is trying to appeal to black voters by going to a black audience. No problem with that.
But, it is interesting that the crowd at this epicenter of black collegiate life is not predominately black. That is the point of the OP.
This is an observation. This is not about seeking advantage for Hillary, which appears to be your personal projection, but about Bernie's campaign strategy and the reaction to it by potential black voters.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)view pictures in posts...that show a very diverse crowd
also in the OP they infer that Bernie's campaign is trying to bamboozle you/us
trying to gain political points for hillary
kwassa
(23,340 posts)didn't claim agreement with all the comments in those feeds
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and it has always been the case in this particular forum that we do just this...so nothing new to see here in particular,
so perhaps it is you reading something here, when you might normally not read anything at all here....
I stay out of the GDP forum, because it looks like a High school car wreck, IMO
and feel that Bernie supporters can have at it to do whatever it is they do there....
But please note that I was directing my op to other Black folks who normally post in this forum...
and although I don't think there is anything wrong with those who visit to make comments,
to drop by and ask me whether I know the definition of Race Baiting is kinda of being a bit negative
while in someone else's house, IMO.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)your original post ? I am going to go read it again...just to be sure i am not confused about things..
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)& listening to Trane you'll get a good sleep & read the thread with a pair of fresh eyes. And comprehend that you misinterpreted the original post, accused people here of things they didn't do, used the term 'race baiting' in a reactionary manner, contradicted yourself numerous times, missed some easy layups, disrespected others while claiming peace & love and stank up the thread with slack game.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)I do not think I misinterpreted the OP.. it was quite obvious what the agenda was...
I understand the heat that comes along with the race baiting term.. my apologies... I could have used a different term to describe what I thought was happening.
Can't find a contradiction of mine
Wasn't trying to make any layups.. was speaking from the heart
I certainly didn't mean to disrespect anyone.. I know that folks here didn't agree with me.. and certainly didn't agree with the term I used to describe what I was seeing.. but I didn't say anything that was disrespectful.. you may not agree but not disrespectful
How bout the shade your throwing at me .. is that disrespectful.. stank and slack.. come on now...
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I don't agree with your view that it was quite obvious what the agenda was. In fact I don't agree that was what you still insist it is about. Everything isn't about the primaries or what candidate you do or don't support. Many issues existed long before this primary and will exist long after. They are often discussed in this group. There's tons of good reading here. You may want to read other threads here some time. Hope you enjoy a good night's sleep.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)@trueblacknews @BernieSanders @Morehouse , was called a race baiter for inquiring as to why there weren't more Black men at this rally!
Thank you so much for calling this out. I think they accuse us of "race baiting".. and I've been accused of it, too, when I stood up for #BlackLivesMatters Activists, because they want to deflect and shut down the discussion. It's one of their go to buzz phrases
Shhhh.. Not suppose to ask "why there weren't more Black men at this rally". See how that works?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"am I missing something..."
Sincerity in both your dialogue and your intent... from what it appears.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)another way to view it is 1) Pointing out that fallaciousness of the "Black Millennials are berning" narrative; and, 2) Pointing out the continuing lack of diversity among Sanders' supporters.
And, there is legitimate basis for the question, given the venue - a predominately Black University within walking distance of three other predominately Black University, in a predominately Black city.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)comfortably sitting in the back of the arena?
Seriously?
Gothmog
(145,344 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Those people were visitors to the land of the maroon and white!
His college plan doesn't do a damn thing for HBCU students, either....
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/02/16/bernie-sanders-support-black-colleges-questioned/80465036/
Empowerer
(3,900 posts)I see a whole heap of white folks . . .
Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it is what it is.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Your claim is totally unsupported by the actual evidence.
Please feel free to try again tomorrow.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)It's obvious which folks in this thread are lying and which aren't. Hint: it ain't FrenchieCat.
MADem
(135,425 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The first proof is a quick scan of heads representing a small sector of the audience.
The second, even shorter bit of proof consists almost exclusively of one woman's hair.
This reminds me of the video purporting to show space vehicles, or Sasquatch.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Interesting that there were some "pockets" of Black folks at an Historically Black campus, where there are also 3 or 4 other HBCU colleges nearby......
But of course, I'm race baiting, according to one in thread for asking about the audience based on videos, pics, and comments made on twitter....
kwassa
(23,340 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Or does the OP really not see the black people in the audience?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)on this predominantly Black Campus.
Do you?
basselope
(2,565 posts)kwassa
(23,340 posts)The audience looks mostly white at this black college.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)are packed with Black audience members! Do you not have zoom capability on your device? Because there is a higher percentage of Blacks in the audience than the percent if Blacks in SC, I would have thought Clinton supporters actually would be accusing his campaign of the reverse: packing the audience with Blacks.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)maybe 50-50, but hard to tell.
At a black college one might expect a different percentage.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)In any case, the percentage in attendance is higher than the percentage in the state.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)it is about the fact that this is a predominantly Black campus,
so what would be expected would be a predominantly Black audience...
not a "diverse" 50/50 or 60%(white)/40% (Black)....
Although I see more like 65%/35% with the lesser number being Black folks.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:35 AM - Edit history (1)
that all should think alike and have shown up en masse to support Sanders? No one should take any ones vote or presence for granted. From the photos I've seen, it looks about 55% Black attendees. The state is 31.5% Black. So, 55% is a surprising amount to me of Blacks in attendence and probably surprising to most people, as the Clinton campaign has said they had the lock on the Black vote; that Blacks are their firewall. I don't think the Clinton campaign is happy about the makeup of this audience, that's for sure.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)But if you think so. Who I'm gonna believe, you or my lying eyes?
basselope
(2,565 posts)Or do you think white people are afraid to travel to a black college????
such desperateness from clintonites
MADem
(135,425 posts)Anyone who isn't black and male in those images was bussed in. YOU get glasses, and deal with reality.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Black. I disagree with the premise based on photos posted in this thread. Bussed? No Black women in the area? Are you for real? You don't appear to be familiar with that area of Atlanta. I visted the area about 10 years ago. Morehouse is just one of about 4 predominantly Black colleges all within blocks of each other. The area is a big campus called the U. Center. Spelman, a college for Black women is right down the street, as is Morris Brown College. The Tech Center is a bit farther, but still in walking distance. Bussed? Ridiculous!
Number23
(24,544 posts)There is nothing even remotely predominantly white within walking distance of the AU center.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)walk from the Tech Center-it's a longish walk, like I said, but it's doable.
Not going to address what I was attacked on, hmm. No women in the area? The Black women were bussed in? And what is this with the emphasis on busses? There is such a thing as cars. Whites living in Atlanta can't hop in their car and go see the presidential candidate of their choice now?
This thread is a real thing of beauty.
Number23
(24,544 posts)there was white. I put it at 60% a few days ago and many others are saying the same as this OP attests.
That CLEARLY upsets you as you felt compelled to race in here with your "corrections." And it's not my job to address what you were "attacked" for. I address what I choose.
And whoever your friends are, they know nothing about the AU Center -- no one has ever called it anything else -- and or Atlanta if they think that GA Tech is in walking distance.
Your hostility is unnecessary and unwelcome in this forum. If you were hostile over something important/interesting that would probably be an entirely different matter altogether.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)or motives for doing what I do. Ask me, or not, if you're not so inclined.
I know, I know. We all must be exactly the same, abbreviate things exactly the same, be homogenous. Got it. We drove in this area. My memory is it is a walkable distance. We can disagree on that, though, because what is walkable to one person may not be to another, so there you go.
Again, you are misreading me...no hostility, I am allowed to disagree, and have done so on several points. I haven't changed my mind on any of those points, but I'll give you the last word now...
Number23
(24,544 posts)Hopefully you won't return to this thread.
mcar
(42,334 posts)My white person brain sees it clearly and has been at some of the, umm, less agreeable guests to this forum.
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)NO ONE calls it "the U Center" (You maybe thinking of "The U" i.e. University of Miami...in Florida)
It's the "AU Center" ... or "AUC" ...
And you seem intent on missing the point of the OP...One would have expected to see more Morehouse students - which happen to be AA Males, but many pictures, videos and folks WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE did not see as many as one would think.
This is the point of the thread, but you and your friends come in heavy handed and butt-hurt that this interpretation of imagery seems obvious to many that the crowd wasn't "predominantly" ("Mainly"; "Mostly", "Largely", "Chiefly"; "Primarily" Black.
Get over it, and move on, please. You are embarrassing yourselves.
I'm happy that Bernie visited my Alma Mater and spoke at a venue that has my name on the wall (you can almost see it in the pictures posted!). My friends who were there said the event was a positive one, but that they had hoped that more students of color from the surrounding schools (including Spelman, CAU, Morehouse Med School, ITC, GA State, GA Tech) were in attendance.
Please remember where you are, since truly, your responses have been a "real thing of beauty".
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)To be fair ... people with NO association to, or know of Morehouse (except that it exists ... and is an HBCU, e.g., the always more knowing "My friends" , might.
Number23
(24,544 posts)I think we could make this thing happen.
Just dump our respective spouses and move to the same continent and we can make this HAPPEN!
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)23, you know you made my day (again!)
Number23
(24,544 posts)You don't have nearly as much "baggage" around here as the rest of us. Not that that will make a bit of difference to our "allies" out there who insult the hell out of us with one hand and then demand our votes with the other.
MADem
(135,425 posts)some of that reading you're snarkily telling me to do in a protected group.
This is the thread title, and there's no "not predominantly black" in there:
Why was Bernie Sander's audience at Morehouse College, an HBCU, predominantly White?
If you know Morehouse--and you don't, I can tell--you would be hard put to find a white face within the confines of that campus and the surrounding environs on a given day if you were given a prize for so doing. I've seen the videos, and the MOREHOUSE MEN (it's a men's school, you see) were in the very distinct minority at that event. They basically loaned their school out for a photo op. That half-filled venue (and it was poorly attended, given the size of the school, and the capacity of the coliseum -- which was half filled) looked like someone knocked over the salt - n- peppa shakers. Had that audience been representative of the campus, you'd have not seen women there, never mind all those white women (were they from Spellman--LOL?) and you would not have seen ANY white people, save Bernie and his wife and most of his staff.
Even the BLACK students in that crowd were bused in--unless you're going to insist that Savannah" is "next door," too (a four hour bus ride "next door" ....smh!!!
http://www.tigersroar.com/news/article_9b053a06-d67f-11e5-8825-5713d0b2ba1d.html
Savannah State University (SSU) students traveled to Morehouse College in Atlanta Tuesday night for the Feel the Bern Tour. In hopes of gaining more minority votes Senator Bernie Sanders launched the tour to travel to 8 historically black colleges and universities.
After about a four hour bus ride the tour bus arrived on Morehouse campus, both anxious and exhausted students prepared to see Sen. Bernie Sanders.
There were a number of vivacious speakers and supporters of Sen. Sanders who graced the stage and shared their personal experiences and praises of the senator. Some of the speakers included actress Jasmine Guy and rapper Killer Mike.
Big finish:
No more than thirty percent of the attendees at Bernies Morehouse rally were black. Moreover, about half of them were female. But Morehouse College is 98.3% black and 99.8% male. So no more than fifteen percent of the attendees at the Morehouse rally could have been Morehouse students. In other words, around four thousand white kids appeared out of thin air at an all-black school, in a mostly black neighborhood, in a majority black city. Did they fall out of the sky?
Who are these four thousand white kids? Where did they come from? Its fair to ask if they were bused in from elsewhere, and if theyre the same white kids who keep appearing at Bernies supposedly black-centric rallies across the south. These are the questions that every news outlet in the country should be asking today. In fact the media asked those same questions when Trump was holding curiously large and mostly white rallies in southern black towns. But Bernie continues to get a free pass, because his campaign is still too ratings-friendly for the media to want to poke the obvious holes in it just yet.
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-holds-mostly-white-rally-at-all-black-college/23858/
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MADem
(135,425 posts)are visitors....!
basselope
(2,565 posts)nice to see such diversity
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)have read or understood the word 'predominantly.'
basselope
(2,565 posts)The croud is predominently black as anyone with eyes and zoom can see.
whats really great is to see how many white people travelled to this black college to hear bernie speak...
very uplifting photo
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Wow, this is sad. But yeah, diversity it means the same thing I'm finding out.
roody
(10,849 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)Bernie Sanders visited Morehouse College in Atlanta, Georgia, on Tuesday night and his visit was kicked off by an impromptu, energetic performance by some very enthusiastic members of the Omega Psi Phi fraternity.
Not only were the students' kicks as high as their energy, but they performed in suits!
The video of the electrifying performance has gone viral.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/morehouse-college-students-give-energetic-performance-bernie-sanders/story?id=37007830
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Here's one.....
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/opinion/bernie-sanders-holds-mostly-white-rally-at-all-black-college/23858/
Also, I do follow trueblacknews on Tweeter....
But guess they aren't to be trusted right? Better to go with Disney Corporation, right?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Looks like you have a fan club, FrenchieCat...!
betsuni
(25,544 posts)The swarm descends, "It is a false lie! HILLARY!!! (*shakes fist at sky*) I don't see color! I see diverse brothers and sisters, all coming together in the struggle for a New World. I'm willing to share our struggle and find common ground, and now this. How dare you accuse Bernie of attracting more white people than other kinds, disgraceful, be ashamed! (*shakes fist at sky-Hillary again*) Wait, I DO see color. There are many black persons at this event, but oh, you think they are homogeneous and should all think and act the same. You people brought up skin color first, anyway, with your racist dog whistles. I cannot help that I heard the whistle and came mindlessly bounding into the AA group to correct the ignorance and deceit of you Hillary operatives. Race-baiters! Here, let me get a dictionary for you. Look, it's right there. You people are the ones wanting to shut down communication on these crucial issues of race, not me."
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)It reminds me of the blind certainty of George Bush, who bumbled into Iraq, not realizing there were two flavors of Muslim, and one group had oppressed and brutalized the other for eons, and there was a load of resentment, anger, hatred and fury about to be unleashed....and he was completely clueless to what was about to occur.
"They'll greet us as liberators!" LOL!!
betsuni
(25,544 posts)There was a part about Bush's Iraq team trying to get the new government set up and deciding on a new plan and doing all these negotiations. They gathered for what was to be a meeting with Bush one morning only to find that he had secretly flown to Iraq the night before. There he was on the monitor paling around with Iraq gov. types and everybody did a face palm because Bush just ruined their plan. Completely clueless, he'd done the exact opposite thing he should've. His little joke on his team, heh heh heh.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)Thanks, Betsuni, for turning ridiculousness into spot-on awesomeness.
betsuni
(25,544 posts)Digital Puppy
(496 posts)Cha
(297,323 posts)[img][/img] TrueBlackNews ?@trueblacknews
A @BernieSanders rally at @Morehouse. Black students ignore event, White Supporters bused in #blacklivesmatter
8:28 PM - 16 Feb 2016
164 164 Retweets 117 117 likes
Andre Forbes ?@andref1989
@trueblacknews @BernieSanders @Morehouse @WhiskeyInSpace I've never seen that many non- black people in the west end in my 4 years there 😂
3:56 AM - 17 Feb 2016
15 15 Retweets 16 16 likes
http://theobamadiary.com/2016/02/17/chat-away-775/
Tarheel_Dem
(31,235 posts)city like the Grateful Dead. I won't say what they call them, but you know, right? This charade will come to a close some time in May. What this tells me is that the Morehouse thing was a charade from start to finish, possibly because there wasn't enough interest from the student body? But it helps create a certain "illusion", if you know what I mean.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Half the Twitter'ers in your second link are asking the exact same questions that both of us have asked.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)the media wouldn't make note of it? Do you really think if the crowd was mostly, or even largely, white Chris Matthews and Todd wouldn't make sure to mention it? Wouldn't it be the lead story on every news commentary for days?
Can you honestly say that the newsmedia, that has been in the tank for Clinton from day one, wouldn't make a big deal out of this?
I'm really surprised that anyone who's been paying attention to what is going on would fail to see that.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)It is quite clear from the pictures up thread that the stadium is not close to full. It is quite clear that there are a high percentage of whites.
What commentators chose to focus on reflects their own interests, and this may well not be their interest.
JI7
(89,252 posts)what Sanders needed to do to try to get more minority support was have smaller events in minority areas by himself. this would have done a lot more to get him support than appearances with Cornel West and Killer Mike.
this is what Clinton did this time around and it's one reason she did much better in Iowa compared to last time.
Sanders needed to do the same when it came to minority voters. part of the reason is it would have helped him learn from them also. the same way Clinton learned by running for Senate from NY and coming in contact with such a diverse group of people. Candidates learn from voters through small groups.
some of the best moments in campaigns are the smaller events. these also get more dedicated supporters who are very much needed to win on the ground.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)I went to watch a bit of his speech after reading the OP and some tweets. What I read was A Lot of Nina Turner was great, Killer Mike was great, some other guy was great from I think white posters. But the most striking to me was the inordinate amount of posting of Omega Psi Phi's performance. But not much praise of Sanders' speech, as his support of HBCUs comes under scrutiny.
"some of the best moments in campaigns are the smaller events. these also get more dedicated supporters who are very much needed to win on the ground."
I hope someone is reading your advice.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Quiet people who know the local power structure and ground game.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)bus in a bunch of black millenials if interest at Morehouse and surrounding HBCUs was low. There must be enough of our kids who like him to fill the auditorium. His campaign makes less and less sense to me every day.
Curiouser and curiouser.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)over what is real.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)It makes sense though I want to stick with reality, logical reasons, even innovative ones but only the head-scratching baffling kept coming up, smh.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)A few people are obviously white. But people who have hats on and you can't see any face or skin are pretty hard to identify by race. Also, I've know black people who have very light skin. I've known black people who have straight hair, either naturally or chemically. There a few people I see that look like they might be black but I don't know.
See the light skinned guy in the white hat in the back. He might be black. Also the heavy woman with the purple shirt and longish, straight black hair. The two black guys in the back away from the crowd. I could go on.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)another Martyr for Sanders is born!
I wonder if this is some form of Board initiation ... "You have done well young bern feeler ... You have, but, one test remaining ... You are to venture into the AA Group and call someone there a race-baiter! Should you meet this challenge, you will truly be a member of our noble clan!"
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)This actually makes more sense than some of the visiting folks who refuse to understand the word, "predominate".