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JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:33 PM Feb 2016

Group Hosts and Regular Posters - an idea - please weigh in

I was thinking of starting an OP

Berne Sanders Supporters - Post Your Bernie Pros here!

First - I think HRC is going to win in SC. Due to the racial make up and numerous discussions about that racial make up of the Democratic base in SC - it could get very contentious in the group post the election.

Second - it would give them an outlet to post every single time a black American supports Bernie and provide a 'safe space' for Sanders supporters to discuss Sanders as it relates to black Americans in the protected group.

What's in it for you?

Hosts - we can lock first timers posts and direct them to their 'safe space'.

Members - if you come here to get away from it in the rest of the site - you can trash the thread or ignore it - even though it would exist.

I'm trying to brain storm how we can keep some peace and quiet and still give Sanders supporters a safe space in the protected group.

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Group Hosts and Regular Posters - an idea - please weigh in (Original Post) JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 OP
If you want examples JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #1
Well, you've got my idea and vote for whatever Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #2
Good Idea... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #3
I hadn't thought of that JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #4
I just don't know if I feel comfortable with this Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #5
That's it JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #6
When you put it that way Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #7
But will they comply? wildeyed Feb 2016 #8
That's probably better than my idea. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #9
They won't stop JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #12
You could make a game. wildeyed Feb 2016 #17
Oh, we could fill that up pretty quick! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #18
Need five more. wildeyed Feb 2016 #19
Thank you for this! BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #20
We are going to hell. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #21
Either that wildeyed Feb 2016 #28
Okay ... How about ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #22
Holy CRAP did you make this???!!! Number23 Feb 2016 #24
I used a free bingo card generator. wildeyed Feb 2016 #30
Just Brilliant. Really! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #32
So awesome. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #34
Great! What fun! betsuni Feb 2016 #43
"Pivot to Hillary Clinton is worse" should in all honesty be half the pieces on the board Number23 Feb 2016 #50
This is awesome! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #25
LMAO! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2016 #31
You know what? To be really cute, we should have this chart Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #39
Which ever you like best! wildeyed Feb 2016 #41
Thanks, wildeyed! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #42
You just won DU today. Number23 Feb 2016 #23
Random YouTube Black Guy! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #26
The random youtube guy wildeyed Feb 2016 #29
I won! wildeyed Feb 2016 #27
Well you would have to make 2 posts The Polack MSgt Feb 2016 #10
Another benefit JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #14
a good idea, and hopefully my fellow Sanders supporters will cooperate and be respectful here nt steve2470 Feb 2016 #11
I think after SC JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #13
Please expand on that thought. I always find your perspective enlightening but comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #44
You've got to go to DU2 JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #45
Thanks for your answer. What is DU2? comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #46
Older version of DU JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #47
Happy birthday comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author rbrnmw Feb 2016 #48
I have zero confidence ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #15
I respect your opinion and I understand steve2470 Feb 2016 #16
It's going to be a horrible mess no matter what. gollygee Feb 2016 #33
Exactly. wildeyed Feb 2016 #35
I'm welcomed and everyone here knows I'm a Sanders supporter gollygee Feb 2016 #36
The same person JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #37
This goes against a long-standing DU cultural tradition. kwassa Feb 2016 #38
Yeah - JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #40

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
2. Well, you've got my idea and vote for whatever
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

is decided.

I was just thinking of having more fun with it and stop being irritated by the doe-eyed-oh-I didn't know routine.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Good Idea...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 07:48 PM
Feb 2016

It offers the added benefit (for Skinner) of cutting down on all the "AA Group was soooo mean to me threads. That ought to free up a lot of band-with!

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
8. But will they comply?
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:41 PM
Feb 2016

The point with the threads is to MAKE this group listen, even after members have expressed their disagreement. If you send them to a thread that everyone trashed already, what is the point? There is no payoff for them. They will just find another way to disrupt.

But from a hosts POV, I guess I can see the benefit. You can send them to the primary timeout thread instead of banning them out right. Saves some drama, right?

Personally, I like it best when they just get a polite but thorough beatdown and take their ball and go home PITA for admins to deal with the butthurt, but their bad, too, for not providing proper moderation during this difficult time.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
9. That's probably better than my idea.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:42 PM
Feb 2016

Which was kind of along the lines of "Why it is never a good idea to use Black people in your political duel" though I hadn't worked out all of the details yet. I couldn't work out how not to get a hide.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
17. You could make a game.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:49 PM
Feb 2016

Like Madden for politics.... I was thinking about making a GDP bingo card titled "White People Telling Black People Why They Should Support Bernie Sanders". It works like debate bingo where you take a selection of popular names and phrases that get dropped and then you scan the thread to see if you can get bingo.

Killer Mike
Cornel West
Random YouTube Black Guy
Pivot to Hillary Clinton is Worse
MLK
Etc.

Initially it was going to be just Black People Who Support Bernie Sanders, but I couldn't come up with 25 names. Added fun would be trying to bait them into a statement when you got close to a bingo

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
18. Oh, we could fill that up pretty quick!
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:55 PM
Feb 2016

Shaun King
Michelle Alexander
Ta-Nehisi Coates
Ben Jealous
Nina Turner
Legislator you never knew about before he endorsed Bernie Sanders but now he's your bestie.

Free square: "He's the best for your rights."

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
19. Need five more.
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:35 PM
Feb 2016

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

Also afraid that the random youtube guy is over, so might have to change that one too.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
22. Okay ... How about ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 11:57 PM
Feb 2016

Square 1:5 - "But Bill Clinton ..."

Square 2:5 - "But what about me."

Square 3:5 - The 1%

Square 4:5 - "But Hillary Clinton ..."

Square 5:5 - The Oligarchy

Number23

(24,544 posts)
24. Holy CRAP did you make this???!!!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:53 AM
Feb 2016


Although I think we should take off Coates, Jealous, Belafonte and Ellison. Those four are actually valid reasons to consider the man unlike the rest of them.

And Michelle Alexander hasn't been all that flattering to Sanders than she was to Hillary. Though I still think her Hillary criticisms were weird. She directed alot of righteous anger at BILL'S policies at Hillary which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
30. I used a free bingo card generator.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 10:08 AM
Feb 2016
http://osric.com/bingo-card-generator/

and then took a screen shot and dropped it into Photobucket. The generator doesn't save work, but I cut pasted the content into another file to save it there.

Once there is a solid consensus on what should be in the squares, I can screen shot each card individually, number them and then people just note which card they are using so we don't get dupes.

I agree that Ellison, Jealous, etc. are notable politicians and/or intellectuals and their opinions are worthy of serious discussion. But I think that because of the way they used in most GDP debates, they can stay on. Or we need to think of a BUNCH of new stuff to add.....

Here is an update based on 1Strong's feedback. And there are many more dedicated GDP warriors than I who have a better grasp on what the current buzzwords are, so I probably missed quite a few. Probably should add Random Black Blogger to the list....

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]


Now the big question, what do we yell instead of bingo?

BERN-O!
I FEEL THE BERN!

Thoughts?

Number23

(24,544 posts)
50. "Pivot to Hillary Clinton is worse" should in all honesty be half the pieces on the board
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:00 PM
Feb 2016

Because let's be honest, that the go to phrase they use 97% of the time. Every SINGLE criticism or even attempt to discuss Sanders' votes/policies/positions IMMEDIATELY becomes "well, why do you think that Hillary would be any better!!1?!"

It is simply beyond moronic.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
39. You know what? To be really cute, we should have this chart
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:39 PM
Feb 2016

ready and just post as a response. It captures everything and "undefined" can be replaced later with more people we should know about.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
41. Which ever you like best!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Feb 2016

It is easy to change. Look, I made a new one with Bernie glasses! And added an "Intentionally Blank" space for future use. See why I never get any actual work done?

[URL=.html][IMG][/IMG][/URL]

If people actually want to play, I can post the other randomized cards, or change out the categories. Or it is easy if someone else has ideas. I posted the link to the generator already. The buzzwords do shift pretty quickly.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
42. Thanks, wildeyed!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:30 PM
Feb 2016

Then I, for one, will use them until the Mods make a decision.

Nice to have a choice and thanks so much for not only making this fun but it makes the point perfectly

On edit: OMG, the glasses are priceless

Number23

(24,544 posts)
23. You just won DU today.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:50 AM
Feb 2016
It works like debate bingo where you take a selection of popular names and phrases that get dropped and then you scan the thread to see if you can get bingo.

Killer Mike
Cornel West
Random YouTube Black Guy
Pivot to Hillary Clinton is Worse
MLK
Etc.


That is freaking awesome but you straight up clowned some people with this bit here:

Initially it was going to be just Black People Who Support Bernie Sanders, but I couldn't come up with 25 names.

That's it folks. Pack it in. Wildeyed just won the fucking Internet today.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
29. The random youtube guy
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:53 AM
Feb 2016

seems to play a big part in their carefully constructed narratives That should be mocked hard and often, IMO

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
27. I won!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016


It's funny, but also true. Try to come up with 25 kinda well know black people who support Sanders. See? So there has to be common phrases and evasive pivots too for the game to work.

The Polack MSgt

(13,189 posts)
10. Well you would have to make 2 posts
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 08:53 PM
Feb 2016

One for Bernie and one for Hillary.

Not because I think it's needed, but because the Bernistas are convinced that the Hillarians are colluding to persecute them on all platforms at all times.

Opera singers project less than they do IMHO, but fair is fair.

Plus by super Tuesday we can count up the numbers and compare and contrast the verbiage of the 2 threads

Count me as "For"

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
13. I think after SC
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:11 PM
Feb 2016

Its going to get ugly. I've spent some time on DU2 post Prop 8 -

There is going to a lot of anger at people who don't even live in SC.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
44. Please expand on that thought. I always find your perspective enlightening but
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:46 PM
Feb 2016

I don't see how DU can get much worse than it is now. NC has always seemed like a long shot for Sanders, so I don't understand how there would be a lot of extra outrage if he loses.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
45. You've got to go to DU2
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:10 PM
Feb 2016

Number23 tips us off on it every once in awhile. When I took the time to absorb it - yeah. Black people were blamed for it and many were run off of DU.

If every single black person in SC doesn't vote for Sanders next week - it's going to be ugly.

comradebillyboy

(10,154 posts)
46. Thanks for your answer. What is DU2?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:29 PM
Feb 2016

I'm just an old white guy who visits the AA group to broaden my perspective a bit so forgive me if I sometimes ask dumb questions.

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
47. Older version of DU
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:32 PM
Feb 2016

If you search on dU2 from a pc or laptop you can get there.

Not sure on a tablet - it's my birthday and my husband gave me a kindle fire this morning. I'm having a hard time with this thing after five years on a first generation iPad.

Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #13)

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. I have zero confidence ...
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:22 PM
Feb 2016

In fact, I am far more confident that the OP will serve as a special challenge ... a call to NOT cooperate and increase the disrespect.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
16. I respect your opinion and I understand
Thu Feb 11, 2016, 10:26 PM
Feb 2016

Way too many of my fellow Sanders supporters are not able to respectfully discuss the issues. I'm fine if we don't have a special thread for them. They can go to GDP if they really want to have a discussion.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
33. It's going to be a horrible mess no matter what.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:17 AM
Feb 2016

Why would someone think it's OK to post a "How dare you not vote for Bernie" post here? What are people thinking?

And I'm not swayed when I hear some random white person is voting for one person or another. Why is there this expectation that you are all going to change your vote - or even have some obligation to change your vote - because one person is voting for Bernie, just because that person is black?

There's another "MLK would have voted for Bernie!" post out there. Sigh.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
35. Exactly.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:42 PM
Feb 2016

Hardly anyone makes that type of choice based on a single endorsement, white or black. I am going to run around GDP now and post "But Katy Perry endorsed Clinton! She is a young white person! That is why she is right for ALL young white people!" She did right? Because I can't remember because who cares who a celebrity entertainer endorse.... But whatever, you get my drift. And see how much they like it when Clinton surrogates old-splain to younger voters? That is obnoxious as heck too, and they hate it, but can't seem to make the intellectual and emotional jump to how they and their candidate are doing the same to AAs and generating the same type hostility and frustration.

One butthurt victim PM'ed me after receiving a beatdown that I was only welcomed here as a white person because I was a Clinton supporter and everyone in the forum was in the bag for her too. I LOL'ed.....

JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
37. The same person
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:42 PM
Feb 2016

Who alerted on leftofcool in GD because she posted "freebies" in response to poster pointing out a Joy Reid interview in SC where young people like things like free college.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
38. This goes against a long-standing DU cultural tradition.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:39 PM
Feb 2016

Which is:

Why start one OP on a topic when you can start a hundred on the same topic?

This is the essence of DU here. Freedom of repetition.

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