My OP asking what Sanders had done to fight for blacks in the last 50 years was hidden by a jury!

[Empowerer]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511196116

Apparently, such a question is verboten? Which is strange since we are constantly told that Bernie has fought for civil rights for the past 50 years - but I guess we're not allowed to ask, "How?"

Of course, I'm quite certain it had something to do with the fact that NO ONE could come up with ANYTHING other than 1) he endorsed Jesse Jackson in 1988; 2) He voted against the Iraq War and Wall Street; 3) He voted for fair housing policy; and 4) OF COURSE, WELFARE.

It was actually pretty funny and probably very embarrassing for them.


Can you name anything Bernie has done to "fight for" blacks since he moved to Vermont
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511196116

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Racially divisive crap attempting to provoke discord, based on race. That's clearly its only intent. We don't need this on DU. See downthread for further example from this same poster.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:39 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: both sides are giving and taking - don't hide - debate and discuss!
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I'm not a fan of this tactic from Hillary supporters, but it's long been a meme for her online campaign. As much as I find it offensive and distasteful, I think there needs to be room left for it here. So sorry.

[seaglass]

1. Wow that was a great thread, I was just reading it. Bad hide. n/t

[Empowerer]

2. That's one of the most outrageous examples I've seen here

These people are CONSTANTLY telling us that blacks should support Bernie because of all he's done for us. I simply asked them to give some examples of what he's done to FIGHT for blacks. They came up with NOTHING. It was pretty remarkable. No wonder they wanted to hide it.

[seaglass]

4. Honestly I think a lot of Bernie supporters on DU just repeat talking points and cut and paste

from some feel the bern websites, I don't think that many actually know his record or what he has proposed very well. It was a totally legitimate question to ask but juries are mob rule right now and any post that does not show Bernie in a favorable light is subject to a hide.

[JRLeft]

30. I would say this don't allow idiot supporters to turn against a good man.

[LonePirate]

3. I'm sorry your post was hidden. DU has become a minefield in recent weeks and it's very unwelcoming.

Some supporters for both candidates are very intense - even to the point where issue discussions are unwanted. We've reached a point where if you say you support Candidate A, supporters of Candidate B will hide your post if four of them land on the jury. Frightening times around here lately.

[UtahLib]

5. And why do the hides have no explanation? Hmmmm. nt

[redstateblues]

6. Wow- And they wonder why Bernie is not resonating

in the AA community. After all the condescension and self righteousness that is running rampant on this site.

[Alfresco]

7. You certainly had them stumped. 48 years in Vermont and they had nothing.

[WIProgressive88]

8. I'm sorry that your post was hidden.

I'm a diehard Sanders backer, but I think that your question is fair. Sadly, my fellow Sanders supporters don't seem to understand that they are hurting our candidate by attempting to shut down these sorts of conversations rather than listening and learning.

[SusanCalvin]

9. Good grief. How bogus.

BTW, thanks for the hearts.

(I figure they most likely came from this group - hope I'm right, because I love ya!)

[steve2470]

10. they didn't like the topic of your OP, so that's the ONLY reason it got hidden

This is why Skinner needs to reform this place. That sucks.

[Empowerer]

14. I was away for a couple of years and came back to this

What happened? Why was it changed?

[steve2470]

15. my theory is Skinner got tired of riding herd on an argumentative bunch of moderators

So he did this new system to allow us to "self moderate". If everyone was pure and wonderful, it would be a good idea. Obviously not, as we all can see.

[bettyellen]

17. half of the moderators were "free speech" no matter how sexist or racist....

and they bullied others into "hiding nothing". Unless it was against one of their "pets".

[steve2470]

19. yea that absolutist free speech stance has no place on a website like this

If you want 100% freedom to post anything, reddit and 4chan and private websites are as close as it gets.

This site needs to be moderated well, and admins have to be willing to spend the time to supervise it. It's a thankless job but they ARE getting paid for it. Pets and bullying targets have no place here.

[bravenak]

11. I know how you feel

[betsuni]

12. I was just reading that.

I like the ones where all they could do was sputter about the Clintons. They always swear they're the ones always posting positive things about Bernie and it's the other side doing all the negativity. Here they had the perfect opportunity to praise Sanders and all it seemed to do was make them mad (what else is new). Some people are so fun to tease!

[pnwmom]

13. Of course your question was fair and not disruptive or hurtful. I'm sorry! nt

[lunasun]

16. Sad to say not surprised

[Lisa D]

18. I'm so sorry.

In no way did your post deserve a hide. They just wanted to silence you.

[jaysunb]

20. I'm undecided about either of our candidates, but

I would have answered your question by stating : " there are not many Blacks in Vermont, but, his voting record has always been in sync with our community.

[Gman]

21. I found this in Ask The Administrators

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599494

Skinner et al are well aware. They're choosing to wait until the primaries are over to make changes. I reluctantly agree it may be best to just wait it out. In the past, they've had zero tolerance for opposing the Democratic Party ticket.

Once there is a nominee, apparent or otherwise I'm confident they will handle this well.

[OilemFirchen]

22. Looks like we got some of the same jurors!

On Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:12 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

"Jew-baiting"?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110744607

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Rude and inappropriate: calling out another poster in a protected group where they can't defend themselves. This is an abuse of protected groups.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Wed Feb 10, 2016, 06:17 PM, and voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: It was a creepy post and it shouldn't have survived a jury
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop trolling protected groups. Leave.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[JonLeibowitz]

23. That was a damn good thread, sorry about the hide. If I could I would alert on the jury. Shameful.

And I'm a Sanders supporter. Entirely legitimate points to raise, but you don't need me to tell you that.

[Empowerer]

25. I've decided to try again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511197571

[JonLeibowitz]

26. I'm not going to post on your thread in hopes I end up on the jury for the inevitable alert.

But if you could, could you address whether you think Post #16 on the original thread addresses the question?

[Empowerer]

33. Thanks - I really don't know if it does address my question

The response is so vague -"being the one white person who help report the purging of black voter of Florida"- I really don't know what they're talking about, but I've been trying to research it to get more information. There have been plenty of people - white and black - going after the state for its purge of blacks from the voter rolls, so I'm not sure if they're talking about a particular case or something else. I was going to ask for more details, but the post got hidden before I could.

I can let you know what I find out when I do.

[JonLeibowitz]

34. I saw an article about it once myself, a while back. Going on the hunt for it now myself...

It had to do with the 2000 debacle as i recall.

Will let you know when I find it.

[JonLeibowitz]

36. I was passed along this:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/18/1422450/-Bernie-Sanders-The-Only-White-Guy-to-Show-Up

I am not sure I entirely agree with the premise. I thought I had seen something more substantial (and more reputable) elsewhere.

I will note that, counter to Greg Palast's point about Sanders always being an ally of the CBC, Sanders (and Clinton to be fair) was nowhere to be found for the CBC in the contested January 6, 2001 Florida electoral certification.

see: https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-2001-01-06/pdf/CREC-2001-01-06-pt1-PgH31-8.pdf

ETA: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251596645

Maybe Palast is more legit than I gave him credit for, I'll need to do some more reading.

[betsuni]

38. That was hidden too! Nasty comments in that thread...

[Starry Messenger]

24. It's getting even worse.

I'm really getting upset thinking what will happen after SC.

[Number23]

42. Oh, there's no doubt that should Sanders flame out black folks will be blamed

from sun up to sun down. You can bet the farm on that.

You could sit here and type out a detailed 30 page soliloquy on why you don't like him complete with references and the ignorami will still scream that you are "voting against your interests" as if they have the first FUCKING clue what our interests are.

[Starry Messenger]

43. They are like the energizer bunny crossed with the Terminator.

I've been here for 10 years, and been in several bruising conversations about privilege, but this is one of the worst years by far, I think.

[Squinch]

27. It was hidden because they didn't have an answer. You made them sad. They don't allow that.

[HassleCat]

28. Going to get worse

Both sides are stalking and alerting. It's getting to a place where jury members vote against any post from the other side. That's too bad. We need to keep a sense of humor and show some tolerance for different points of view.

[The Polack MSgt]

29. I especially enjoy...

The "black people who aren't convinced are the real racists" replies

Of course my summary may be over stating things. I surely wouldn't want bruise the feelings of such precious snowflakes.

Seriously. Hide OPs that make you uncomfortable?

As I've said before, these folks sound weak.

[katsy]

31. I'm sorry your op was hidden.

Your question was valid.

This is Bernie's record and it's solid.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

I don't think either of our candidates suck on civil rights tho I do not like Bill Clinton's welfare/justice/trade policies one fucking bit. It's one thing to talk a big game like Clinton did and another that he turned around and stabbed working people in the back. Yeah, people trusted him and look at where that got us.

One man can't erase the racism in this country but one man with a following and voter mandate can make a difference and I think Bernie can motivate people to become better than they are.

I'm going to vote for Hillary if Bernie doesn't get the nomination... and even tho you may disagree with me, or not give Bernie any credit for his good effort to be a positive force in our small part of the world, I respect your feelings. And I think you know that whether it is Hillary or Bernie,,, we are all of us here on the right side of the issues. We may disagree who can best deliver but we are united as to the direction we should be going.

[LAS14]

32. What????

"Racially divisive crap attempting provoke discord"??????? It's just a question!!! I can't believe this kind of censorship. This is the second time in a few hours that I've posted that something is scary. But this is scary!!!

P.S. - What does OP mean?

[steve2470]

37. Original Post

It's the post you make to start a thread.

[Kind of Blue]

39. I got to agree with you, Squinch and Alfresco.

They got nothing so you need to go away.

It's so petty and I'm sorry that your question was hidden when somebody asked FrenchieCat the same question about President Obama. I don't think that was hidden.

Glad you find it funny though. I'm sure somebody will alert on that, too

[BlueMTexpat]

40. And yet, OPs about why AAs should NOT

support Hillary have been posted EVERYWHERE, including this forum!

Orwellian tactics by BS supporters!

[wildeyed]

41. Great question. Great post.

Bad hide. They must be gunning for you. Means you hit a nerve, but still unfair. I noticed that bravenak got one last night too that made no sense to me.

[Jamaal510]

44. This is a big reason

why DU has lost so many brilliant posters and is less diverse than it could be. There is intolerance for posters who support someone else in the primaries, and intolerance for a candidate being challenged on their record. Something needs to be done before this place becomes irrelevant and acts completely contrary to its stated goal in the TOS.