Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton

[totodeinhere]

Michelle Alexander, the author Of "The New Jim Crow," outlines the presidential candidate's support for some questionable policies.

Eighty percent of black Democratic voters intended to cast their ballots for the 2016 presidential candidate in August 2015 -- and not much has changed since then. But with Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) becoming a serious opponent for Clinton in the race to the Democratic nomination, many African-Americans are asking if the former Secretary of State really deserves the black vote.

Author and legal scholar Michelle Alexander doesn’t think so.

"What have the Clintons done to earn such devotion? Did they take extreme political risks to defend the rights of African Americans?" the author of The New Jim Crow asks in a new essay for The Nation. "Did they courageously stand up to right-wing demagoguery about black communities? Did they help usher in a new era of hope and prosperity for neighborhoods devastated by deindustrialization, globalization, and the disappearance of work?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-black-voters_us_56ba797fe4b08ffac12328f0

I would add to the points made by this author the racist comments that Bill Clinton made after his wife lost to Barack Obama in the 2008 South Carolina primary.

And yes, maybe I don't understand because I am not black myself. I get that. I cannot walk in a black person's shoes. But I am an Asian American gay man so I do know what it is like to be a minority living in this country since I am a member of two minority groups myself. And I don't think that the Clinton's have dome much for Asians and LGBT's either for that matter.

[JustAnotherGen]

1. Yeah we've all seen this umpteen times at DU

Question -

Try this scenario -

Clinton wins the nomination and goes up against Kasich -

Do your words hold true?

Note - I'm not happy with either candidate so don't do what all first timers do in this group and assume I'm in the bag for Clinton.

You are a gay Asian male - what will you do?

Do you have the courage of your convictions to make that statement in November if that above scenario plays out?

[Stellar]

2. hear, hear! nt

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Feel like I just got back from the Pub

On Groudhogs Day:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511194893

BTW - that article had zero impact on NH.

[Stellar]

4. Jebus...

They're trying to ensure that Black folk see this gad@mn thread. I already know how I feel about Bernie and Hillary, wtf!

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. Be specific ...

NON-BLACKS are trying to ensure that Black folk see this gad@mn thread.

[Stellar]

20. You're exactly right!

[rtm_trium]

30. Stop black censorship

Right, because black people need OTHER people to tell them what NOT to see. Dems and Liberals have a serious problem censoring black folks who disagree.

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Just you until you get removed from the site by

MIRT -

For group hosts -

rtm_trium (2 posts)
30. Stop black censorship

Right, because black people need OTHER people to tell them what NOT to see. Dems and Liberals have a serious problem censoring black folks who disagree.
Give a valentine heart to rtm_trium! (12 remaining)

[1StrongBlackMan]

34. Knock 'em out the box, JAG ... Knock 'em out the box! eom

[totodeinhere]

5. I apologize for the duplicate comment. n/t

[totodeinhere]

6. I will vote for the Democratic nominee whoever that is. But that doesn't mean that I do not have the

courage of my convictions. I am using one set of criteria during the primary campaign and will use different criteria during the general election campaign. I am supporting one canddiate now but I will support the party's nominee in November. I assume that you will do the same. And I am not assuming anything about anybody.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. I'm not voting in the Primary

I could sit out in November (NJ) - and the Democratic Nominee will still win.

Crispy Creme has ensured that with the State of the State.

[Recursion]

8. If I could just somehow convey to many Sanders supporters that I have to do a "lesser evil"

calculation here, I think that would make a difference, but I can't seem to get that through people's fervor.

I find both of the remaining candidates extremely disappointing in multiple ways, and I'm seriously worried about our chances in November because of that. But once people set up a dichotomy there's really no talking anymore...

[Agschmid]

12. Yup.

[pnwmom]

7. Hillary is not a clone of her husband. As a member of two underrepresented groups --

women, and children of LGBT's -- i wish more people understood that.

Also, just for the record, President Obama has made it clear that he considers her to be the candidate more likely to continue the policies of his Presidency.

[Coolest Ranger]

9. Sorry but if you think

this post is going to convince me not to vote for her. It's seriously lacking. I don't get what gives you the right to come and lecture us why we should not vote for her. For that matter why should I as a black man vote for Bernie Sanders? He hasn't done anything for my people. Marching with Dr. King doesn't count, sorry but can't go for this and certainly won't rec this.

[totodeinhere]

10. I presented the article for consideration. I wasn't trying to convince anyone.

But since you maintain that Sanders hasn't done anything for your people, which would draw disagreement from many observers, at least he hasn't done anything to harm your people as the Clinton's have. But obviously you are free to support whom you will as am I and everybody else.

[leftofcool]

11. More whitespaining?

[totodeinhere]

13. Nope. Neither the author of the article nor I am white.

Instead of offering a cute little slogan why not address the substance of the article?

[leftofcool]

14. It's been posted a gadzillion times and no one is convinced.

And it is just more people telling POC how to vote as though they aren't capable of deciding for themselves.

[wildeyed]

15. Pretty hilarious who is rec'ing this thread, too.

[Digital Puppy]

19. +1000!!!

Enlightening, for me, actually!

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. Black folks and other non-whites can "whitesplain", too ...

there are a number of folks making a lucrative career doing so.

Just saying ...

[Digital Puppy]

18. Nice try...I guess....

Next time, spend some time listening to what folks here are talking about before posting something like this. I'm not against BS nor am I against HC, but it's the BS supporters who have time and time again 'shown their asses' and personally, it's obnoxious, insulting, and boring.

I get that you aren't a 'typical' BS supporter. Great! Then you know what it's like to be lectured to by people who have no f'ing clue what it is to live in your skin.

I'm trying to give folks the benefit of the doubt and will just assume that it's ignorance rather than malice. You would do us a favor if you stick around and study and observe what we are saying in the future...maybe take a look at recent OPs by long-standing members and read the responses to get a feel for the group and their concerns...maybe you could even help carry that message to folks outside of this group...

My $0.02.

[totodeinhere]

24. All I'm doing is citing an article. No matter what others may have said what is wrong with broaching

this topic? And I have yet to see anyone break down the substance of the article. It's almost as if they are upset that I'm even mentioning it. And apparently I can't cite this article without being accused of trying to tell black folks how to vote.

[1StrongBlackMan]

25. Why did you choose to post this article in this Group? ...

But before you answer ... re-read the responses in this thread.

[totodeinhere]

28. Well obviously because the topic is black people and the article was written by a well known

and respected black author. Why not? It seems that a lot of people don't want to be exposed to anything contrary in this group. But I thought this was supposed to be a discussion group, not an echo chamber.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. Re-read the thread ...

This IS a discussion group, and far from an echo-chamber (which you would know, if you spent more in the Group, than the time it took to post the article). However, we tire of posts that get posted time, and again, in other forums, by Non-Black folks, regarding what Black folks should/shouldn't do ... only to have a non-Black person make a special point to post it to this Group ... as if, our comments on the article in the other 8 postings were insufficient.

[totodeinhere]

37. For one thing I'm a busy person and don't have time to skim every forum.

I had no idea that it had already been posted at another forum but when I found out I apologized for the duplication as you can read upthread. Secondly I have been subscribed to this particular group for several years and I have posted to it before. I wish I had time to do more but I don't. If the admins have the ability to look up how long I have been subscribed to this group then I wish they would. If not please take my word for it. Thank you.

Also, nowhere in the article does it presume to tell black folks or anyone else what they should do or not do. As I already said I merely posted it for its informational value.

[1StrongBlackMan]

38. Well ... Now that you know. You can always, and as a sign of good faith, delete the OP. ...

[totodeinhere]

40. I am not deleting it because I find some of the replies in this thread very interesting and I want

others to have a chance to read it. I don't think that leaving this does any harm.

[1StrongBlackMan]

43. Okay ... You must be one terrible house guest. eom.

[Digital Puppy]

32. So you didn't read my response? n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. I'm sure they read it ... They just didn't care what you had to say! ...

BTW ... did you see the Master Sgt.'s "Big Park with pavilions" metaphor? http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=39414

I loved it.

[totodeinhere]

39. Yes I read your response. You maintain that I should be listening to what other people have to say.

Do you mean you and your 250 posts? I have been here since 2008. I registered so I could show my support for Barack Obama during the primary season and I have stuck around ever since. To suggest that I do not listen to what others at DU say is presumptuous and condescending.

[Digital Puppy]

41. Yes, actually, I do mean me and the others around the AA Forum...

Is it that your block list is so large that you have run out of veterans AA posters to listen to, or is it you only want to listen to who you deem worthy...in other words, folks with more than 250 posts?

The fact is you didn't care about what I or anyone else had to say in this forum and I dare to guess wanted to get more people put on "time out"...that's not presumptuous, that's a fact which can be verified by your block list as well as your actions in this thread.

Condescending? Perhaps...it's not like that will stop or slow you from any of your actions since you clearly know what is best and how to engage people.

Here's Why Black People Should Think Twice Before Voting For Hillary Clinton

Yeah, thanks for the instruction and lesson. So glad you stopped by to explain things!

[gollygee]

42. So much for the love of millennial voters

Who haven't been able to vote long and therefore would likely not have been at DU long.

[JustAnotherGen]

44. He's been here since

2012

[JI7]

22. most Asians voted for Hillary over Obama in 2008

And most gays support her also.

[totodeinhere]

23. I supported Obama however. But if Clinton would have been nominated of course

I would have voted for her.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. As did the overwhelming majority of black Americans in the beginning. It was only after she

started her racism AND Obama demonstrated he could win, did black voter switch to him.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

26. Jezuz Chriss. Just stop already!

Blacks should votes for whomever they want.

[randys1]

29. Not speaking about the OP of this thread, dont know her or him, but in general

there is a louder and louder message that I am hearing and it sounds like this:

"Bernie supported you folks, and I am a liberal Bernie supporter who supports your cause, so that is enough and now YOU should support Bernie, period"


It almost doesnt have anything to do with Bernie anymore, this is all about his splainin supporters.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

36. Yep! Absolutely right!

[Empowerer]

45. Did you know Michelle Alexander's husband prosecutes people under the laws she blames Clintons for?

Her husband, Carter Stewart, is the U.S Attorney for the Southern District of Ohio. He was apponted by President Obama in 2009.