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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:23 AM Feb 2016

Number23 asked, so: white supremacy and the Democratic party

I made earlier a flippant comment on a somewhat baiting OP in GDP about white supremacy and its role in the formation of the DLC.

23 was curious why I said what I did, and I think that was a fair call-out, so I wanted to respond here like she ("she", I think?) asked.

No ghost needs to come from the grave to tell this group that white supremacy is embedded in every part of American politics that is not entirely non-white (for lurkers about to jump me on this: no, that doesn't mean that "bad people" are doing this; it means that white supremacy is incredibly insidious and nobody comes out with clean hands -- hell, even Carver was ultimately guilty of pushing the idea that black people were "damaged" or at least "nascent" Americans who might one day with proper education be allowed to take up the august peerage of full American citizenship). And that includes the DLC: I think it was a movement to placate downscale white voters who didn't like the idea of "welfare" (which people still bitch about on Facebook, despite AFDC having ended twenty years ago) because they thought lazy black people got it (I doubt I need to break down the actual demographics here, but obviously it's hard to dispute the perception existed). Now, it doesn't help that now we're getting from the left some very disturbing tendencies to jump immediately to Welfare Reform when the Clintons' record on race comes up -- guess what? More white people got thrown off AFDC than any other race...

Anyways. One of Coates's recent pieces (and damn, he's been on a tear lately at the Atlantic) mentioned Tom Watson, who it turned out was kind of the missing link for my thinking on this. Watson was William Jennings Bryan's VP pick in 1896, and continued with the explicitly populist movement even after Bryan went to the Democrats. And he's really the best example of the early stages of this fracture. He was anti-white-supremacist until he realized it got him nowhere.

My comment was flippant because I bought into the framing that "the DLC" (ominous music) was somehow unusual in adopting a white supremacist view of politics. Obviously it wasn't. But it's a pretty clear example of what I take Coates's point in bringing up Sanders to be: even the farthest reaches of the white Left, for more than a century now, consistently proves itself to be more interested in using white supremacy than in overturning it, when the shit actually hits the fan ("But, dude, we'll totally overturn white supremacy once white people are all equal&quot .

Anyways, my takeaway from this was that the DLC was yet another attempt by the white left to tap the energy of aggrieved poor whites, and that this history goes back a long time, and is a core strategy of both major parties, and scares the shit out of me. Time and time and time again well-meaning white populist liberals have chased this ghost, and either been trampled by it (La Follette) or succumbed to it (Long, Wallace). And my current worry is that the Sanders campaign is (he says so in as many words) an attempt to tap the energy of disgruntled working class whites. And it doesn't take a crystal ball to see where that leads.

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Number23 asked, so: white supremacy and the Democratic party (Original Post) Recursion Feb 2016 OP
I refused to post so much as a word in the absurd OP that prompted your comments Number23 Feb 2016 #1
BRILLIANT!! Simply brilliant! DLC for me are Reagan Democrats who bought into the Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #2
Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #3
Well said JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #4
Hmmm ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #5

Number23

(24,544 posts)
1. I refused to post so much as a word in the absurd OP that prompted your comments
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 04:59 PM
Feb 2016

But I was really intrigued by what you'd written. So I'm so glad that you brought them here so people can actually talk about them.

My comment was flippant because I bought into the framing that "the DLC" (ominous music) was somehow unusual in adopting a white supremacist view of politics.


Wasn't that funny? I have always talked about how some white people, in their desperate need to deflect any and all accusations of racism, always act like it's only "other" white people that are racist. Whatever they are, it's only the "other" white people that are racist.

If they're from the North, then it's only "Southern" whites that are racist. If they're not religious, it's only "non-religious" whites that are racist. If they're not educated, it's "educated" whites that are the racist and so on. It's that desperate attempt to deflect any and all blame for racism that leads to this blind and willful denial, as though racism is not as deeply entrenched in America as the damned soil.

This "racism exists in the Democratic Party but only as far as the DLC" is another example of that desperate "otherism" from some white people. We can't acknowledge that the Democratic Party just like EVERY OTHER INSTITUTION in America including the women's rights movement, the labor movement, the gay rights movement, hell even the disabled rights movement and everything else is rotten to the core with racism and racial paternalism. We must pretend it's this tiny little sub-set of "rogue" Democrats that were the racists. It's this type of denial of history and reality that is one of the reasons that racism is still such an incredibly powerful force 400+ years into America.

Anyways, my takeaway from this was that the DLC was yet another attempt by the white left to tap the energy of aggrieved poor whites, and that this history goes back a long time, and is a core strategy of both major parties, and scares the shit out of me.


I added that emphasis on "yet another" because we both know it wasn't the first time nor will it be the last. Even knowing that black women are the true backbone of the Democratic party, some just can't help acting as though the Angry White Male that we've been hearing about for the last 30 years is the real star of the show. And this crap did not begin with either Bill or Hillary Clinton.

Starry Messenger has been posting some beautiful, eloquent posts on this very topic. Hopefully she'll see your OP and respond.
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
2. BRILLIANT!! Simply brilliant! DLC for me are Reagan Democrats who bought into the
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 06:27 PM
Feb 2016

"Welfare Queen" racist rhetoric. These Democrats voted for Reagan but too cowardly to defect to the Republican Party because the South and Midwest was still solidly Democratic at the time.

Notice that the DLC is now defunct as Democrats finally lost the South completely (I'm talking about the state legislatures now).

A coincidence? I think not.

And the remnants of the DLC remains in the Democratic Party with the likes of Jim Webb, Joe Manchin and their ilk.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. Hmmm ...
Thu Feb 4, 2016, 07:47 PM
Feb 2016

Good piece.

My comment was flippant because I bought into the framing that "the DLC" (ominous music) was somehow unusual in adopting a white supremacist view of politics. Obviously it wasn't. But it's a pretty clear example of what I take Coates's point in bringing up Sanders to be: even the farthest reaches of the white Left, for more than a century now, consistently proves itself to be more interested in using white supremacy than in overturning it, when the shit actually hits the fan ("But, dude, we'll totally overturn white supremacy once white people are all equal&quot .


I'm going to have to think about this. Could you expound a little more on how Bernie fits into this ... I have my thoughts; but, what to hear you out (so I'm not "interpretating that you inferred what I think you implied." )

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